Guild Wars 2

Revolutionary.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

colesy.8490:

Harrahou.4518:

watch?v=GOuOmNL4yEY

Thats the video I will upload new guides soon

Note this is pre-patch, hence the instant focus pull at the start rather than with the now 1 second cooldown.

Secondly, Strife has left and don’t think he even cares, so if all of you people trying to beat DnT could put your raging erections away for beating their time that would be nice.

There’s not really any reason to get hostile over it. I’m sure that there will be groups that come along and beat our times, but that’s just a part of the game. That being said, I was expecting kind of a mind blowing CoF strategy that no one had ever thought of. I didn’t really see that here :/

This video was posted over a month ago, strategies for dungeons stay fairly similar in top tier groups who are doing times faster than most. I was planning on making a new video to share our strategies like DnT’s very own strife did. Sadly enough the feedback I got has more or less repelled me from doing so xD

Harrahou.4518:

If i new how to take threads down I would, I dont want my thread turning into an argument about CoF. My replies probs dont help my means xD

That’s not really something that’s avoidable. You’ve made a claim, took awhile to provide evidence, and the end result wasn’t really that impressive. I don’t see how you could avoid arguments when this is the situation that arises.

Syn Sity.5826:

Wukunlin.8461:

we’ve been through this like what, 2 months ago?

The funny thing is, it’s the same kitten thief. These guys are too busy talking about how great their runs are to realize that pug tactics and record tactics are two totally different things.

But why do they have to be different tactics. Why can’t pug groups start doing it like record runs minus the 25silver on food.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

If i new how to take threads down I would, I dont want my thread turning into an argument about CoF. My replies probs dont help my means xD

That’s not really something that’s avoidable. You’ve made a claim, took awhile to provide evidence, and the end result wasn’t really that impressive. I don’t see how you could avoid arguments when this is the situation that arises.

If anyone took notice of what the thread was originally about I doubt it would have gotten to the stage that it is now.

Harrahou.4518:

Syn Sity.5826:

Wukunlin.8461:

we’ve been through this like what, 2 months ago?

The funny thing is, it’s the same kitten thief. These guys are too busy talking about how great their runs are to realize that pug tactics and record tactics are two totally different things.

But why do they have to be different tactics. Why can’t pug groups start doing it like record runs minus the 25silver on food.

Because the skill level and coordination are huge variables.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

Syn Sity.5826:

Wukunlin.8461:

we’ve been through this like what, 2 months ago?

The funny thing is, it’s the same kitten thief. These guys are too busy talking about how great their runs are to realize that pug tactics and record tactics are two totally different things.

But why do they have to be different tactics. Why can’t pug groups start doing it like record runs minus the 25silver on food.

Because the skill level and coordination are huge variables.

I am not going to disagree the thing that makes DnT such good dungeon runners is their skill and co ordination. But all the runs we do is through game chat, we are not even a proper guild. 50 members in the guild MARS a LFG guild that is non rep. coordination as good as any pugs.

Harrahou.4518:

Syn Sity.5826:

Wukunlin.8461:

we’ve been through this like what, 2 months ago?

The funny thing is, it’s the same kitten thief. These guys are too busy talking about how great their runs are to realize that pug tactics and record tactics are two totally different things.

But why do they have to be different tactics. Why can’t pug groups start doing it like record runs minus the 25silver on food.

Is that even a serious question?

I told a warrior to eviscerate the acolytes instead of using hb once. He decided to “LOL” and call me stupid. The average pug is not capable of learning to do the dungeon any more efficiently than having the right gear and complaining until they get a good mesmer.

Harrahou.4518:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

Syn Sity.5826:

Wukunlin.8461:

we’ve been through this like what, 2 months ago?

The funny thing is, it’s the same kitten thief. These guys are too busy talking about how great their runs are to realize that pug tactics and record tactics are two totally different things.

But why do they have to be different tactics. Why can’t pug groups start doing it like record runs minus the 25silver on food.

Because the skill level and coordination are huge variables.

I am not going to disagree the thing that makes DnT such good dungeon runners is their skill and co ordination. But all the runs we do is through game chat, we are not even a proper guild. 50 members in the guild MARS a LFG guild that is non rep. coordination as good as any pugs.

No, because your group that did this has probably practiced it countless times together, know exactly what each of your roles are, have builds ironed out perfectly, and all of the other things you would find in an organized group. Saying that it’s as good as any pug is really just an ignorant statement.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

Syn Sity.5826:

Wukunlin.8461:

we’ve been through this like what, 2 months ago?

The funny thing is, it’s the same kitten thief. These guys are too busy talking about how great their runs are to realize that pug tactics and record tactics are two totally different things.

But why do they have to be different tactics. Why can’t pug groups start doing it like record runs minus the 25silver on food.

Because the skill level and coordination are huge variables.

I am not going to disagree the thing that makes DnT such good dungeon runners is their skill and co ordination. But all the runs we do is through game chat, we are not even a proper guild. 50 members in the guild MARS a LFG guild that is non rep. coordination as good as any pugs.

No, because your group that did this has probably practiced it countless times together, know exactly what each of your roles are, have builds ironed out perfectly, and all of the other things you would find in an organized group. Saying that it’s as good as any pug is really just an ignorant statement.

I am fully aware that a pug group wont be getting times like fully organised practiced groups have. But why is it so wrong to improve their 7min times to 6min times just by knowing a little more about gw2 mechanics…not CoF mechanics gw2 mechanics?

PUG= Pick up group. Meaning you pick up a group of people you very likely have never come into contact with before. You have no idea of their gear or skill level and no planned coordination other than common sense and the hopes that everyone’s watched a video at some point or done it before somewhere. I have a group of friends I do things with too, I would chose them over random pugs any day of the week and it’s not just because they’re nice guys.. it’s because we know how to work together and we know exactly what each of us is doing. GL getting random pugs to do that.

Oh yeah I remember now too, you guys used Hounds on the Slave Driver so it’s not a repeatable run.

Broadicea.8294:

Oh yeah I remember now too, you guys used Hounds on the Slave Driver so it’s not a repeatable run.

Of course it’s not a repeatable run that video I linked was us going for the record.

Harrahou.4518:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

If i new how to take threads down I would, I dont want my thread turning into an argument about CoF. My replies probs dont help my means xD

That’s not really something that’s avoidable. You’ve made a claim, took awhile to provide evidence, and the end result wasn’t really that impressive. I don’t see how you could avoid arguments when this is the situation that arises.

If anyone took notice of what the thread was originally about I doubt it would have gotten to the stage that it is now.

I want to go ahead and reply to this one while I’m still thinking about it. It looks like the original post was deleted, so I don’t think there’s any way of knowing what the thread was supposed to be about now.

swiftpaw.6397:

PUG= Pick up group. Meaning you pick up a group of people you very likely have never come into contact with before. You have no idea of their gear or skill level and no planned coordination other than common sense and the hopes that everyone’s watched a video at some point or done it before somewhere. I have a group of friends I do things with too, I would chose them over random pugs any day of the week and it’s not just because they’re nice guys.. it’s because we know how to work together and we know exactly what each of us is doing. GL getting random pugs to do that.

Your exactly right. But a certain minority that will watch a video helping them out will be able to go ahead and attempt to pass knowledge on. Gw2 is a community game, why complain about someone trying to help the community with what he is good at? I get my idea is flawed in quite a few ways, and one being your comment, but forgive me for wanting to try xD

Harrahou.4518:

swiftpaw.6397:

PUG= Pick up group. Meaning you pick up a group of people you very likely have never come into contact with before. You have no idea of their gear or skill level and no planned coordination other than common sense and the hopes that everyone’s watched a video at some point or done it before somewhere. I have a group of friends I do things with too, I would chose them over random pugs any day of the week and it’s not just because they’re nice guys.. it’s because we know how to work together and we know exactly what each of us is doing. GL getting random pugs to do that.

Your exactly right. But a certain minority that will watch a video helping them out will be able to go ahead and attempt to pass knowledge on. Gw2 is a community game, why complain about someone trying to help the community with what he is good at? I get my idea is flawed in quite a few ways, and one being your comment, but forgive me for wanting to try xD

Read my previous post. The people in this game rarely have any interest in learning from more experienced players. They are rude and ignorant and incredibly stupid.

spoj.9672:

Harrahou.4518:

swiftpaw.6397:

PUG= Pick up group. Meaning you pick up a group of people you very likely have never come into contact with before. You have no idea of their gear or skill level and no planned coordination other than common sense and the hopes that everyone’s watched a video at some point or done it before somewhere. I have a group of friends I do things with too, I would chose them over random pugs any day of the week and it’s not just because they’re nice guys.. it’s because we know how to work together and we know exactly what each of us is doing. GL getting random pugs to do that.

Your exactly right. But a certain minority that will watch a video helping them out will be able to go ahead and attempt to pass knowledge on. Gw2 is a community game, why complain about someone trying to help the community with what he is good at? I get my idea is flawed in quite a few ways, and one being your comment, but forgive me for wanting to try xD

Read my previous post. The people in this game rarely have any interest in learning from more experienced players. They are rude and ignorant and incredibly stupid.

Well that will be too bad for them, they have lost an extra 2g per hour.

Harrahou.4518:

spoj.9672:

Harrahou.4518:

swiftpaw.6397:

PUG= Pick up group. Meaning you pick up a group of people you very likely have never come into contact with before. You have no idea of their gear or skill level and no planned coordination other than common sense and the hopes that everyone’s watched a video at some point or done it before somewhere. I have a group of friends I do things with too, I would chose them over random pugs any day of the week and it’s not just because they’re nice guys.. it’s because we know how to work together and we know exactly what each of us is doing. GL getting random pugs to do that.

Your exactly right. But a certain minority that will watch a video helping them out will be able to go ahead and attempt to pass knowledge on. Gw2 is a community game, why complain about someone trying to help the community with what he is good at? I get my idea is flawed in quite a few ways, and one being your comment, but forgive me for wanting to try xD

Read my previous post. The people in this game rarely have any interest in learning from more experienced players. They are rude and ignorant and incredibly stupid.

Well that will be too bad for them, they have lost an extra 2g per hour.

A lot of pugs don’t really care about that as much as they do thinking that they are super speed clear geniuses, and that’s what a lot of CoF farming pugs are like. They don’t really want to listen to advice since they already think they are right.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

spoj.9672:

Harrahou.4518:

swiftpaw.6397:

PUG= Pick up group. Meaning you pick up a group of people you very likely have never come into contact with before. You have no idea of their gear or skill level and no planned coordination other than common sense and the hopes that everyone’s watched a video at some point or done it before somewhere. I have a group of friends I do things with too, I would chose them over random pugs any day of the week and it’s not just because they’re nice guys.. it’s because we know how to work together and we know exactly what each of us is doing. GL getting random pugs to do that.

Your exactly right. But a certain minority that will watch a video helping them out will be able to go ahead and attempt to pass knowledge on. Gw2 is a community game, why complain about someone trying to help the community with what he is good at? I get my idea is flawed in quite a few ways, and one being your comment, but forgive me for wanting to try xD

Read my previous post. The people in this game rarely have any interest in learning from more experienced players. They are rude and ignorant and incredibly stupid.

Well that will be too bad for them, they have lost an extra 2g per hour.

A lot of pugs don’t really care about that as much as they do thinking that they are super speed clear geniuses, and that’s what a lot of CoF farming pugs are like. They don’t really want to listen to advice since they already think they are right.

As I said too bad for them.

Harrahou.4518:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

spoj.9672:

Harrahou.4518:

swiftpaw.6397:

PUG= Pick up group. Meaning you pick up a group of people you very likely have never come into contact with before. You have no idea of their gear or skill level and no planned coordination other than common sense and the hopes that everyone’s watched a video at some point or done it before somewhere. I have a group of friends I do things with too, I would chose them over random pugs any day of the week and it’s not just because they’re nice guys.. it’s because we know how to work together and we know exactly what each of us is doing. GL getting random pugs to do that.

Your exactly right. But a certain minority that will watch a video helping them out will be able to go ahead and attempt to pass knowledge on. Gw2 is a community game, why complain about someone trying to help the community with what he is good at? I get my idea is flawed in quite a few ways, and one being your comment, but forgive me for wanting to try xD

Read my previous post. The people in this game rarely have any interest in learning from more experienced players. They are rude and ignorant and incredibly stupid.

Well that will be too bad for them, they have lost an extra 2g per hour.

A lot of pugs don’t really care about that as much as they do thinking that they are super speed clear geniuses, and that’s what a lot of CoF farming pugs are like. They don’t really want to listen to advice since they already think they are right.

As I said too bad for them.

Fair enough, I guess.

Well this seems fairy civil now thank you everyone for your contributions to this post I will not upload a video as a guide thanks to everyone’s great feedback.

Harrahou.4518:

Well this seems fairy civil now thank you everyone for your contributions to this post I will not upload a video as a guide thanks to everyone’s great feedback.

I don’t understand. You aren’t going to upload a guide because it’s become civil?

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

Well this seems fairy civil now thank you everyone for your contributions to this post I will not upload a video as a guide thanks to everyone’s great feedback.

I don’t understand. You aren’t going to upload a guide because it’s become civil?

I am not going to upload a guide because people wont appreciate it. Build video’s can be found on Strifes channel. The warrior build by Brazil, Mesmer Build is the 30,30,0,0,10 mes build, thief is on backstab 25,30,0,0,15 our current video shows enough of what we do so there is the full guide xD

Harrahou.4518:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

Well this seems fairy civil now thank you everyone for your contributions to this post I will not upload a video as a guide thanks to everyone’s great feedback.

I don’t understand. You aren’t going to upload a guide because it’s become civil?

I am not going to upload a guide because people wont appreciate it. Build video’s can be found on Strifes channel. The warrior build by Brazil, Mesmer Build is the 30,30,0,0,10 mes build, thief is on backstab 25,30,0,0,15 our current video shows enough of what we do so there is the full guide xD

But I am Brazil. It’s a Warrior build by me. And I guess that makes sense. It probably won’t ease any hostility towards you saying you aren’t going to upload videos, though.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

Well this seems fairy civil now thank you everyone for your contributions to this post I will not upload a video as a guide thanks to everyone’s great feedback.

I don’t understand. You aren’t going to upload a guide because it’s become civil?

I am not going to upload a guide because people wont appreciate it. Build video’s can be found on Strifes channel. The warrior build by Brazil, Mesmer Build is the 30,30,0,0,10 mes build, thief is on backstab 25,30,0,0,15 our current video shows enough of what we do so there is the full guide xD

But I am Brazil. It’s a Warrior build by me. And I guess that makes sense. It probably won’t ease any hostility towards you saying you aren’t going to upload videos, though.

I knew you were Brazil from start. As soon as I saw your name on here I knew kitten was going down. Just something for you, we regularly run with a ranger and our runs drop no time…Rangers are the meta man. I will upload video’s but it just wont be guides. xD

Harrahou.4518:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

Well this seems fairy civil now thank you everyone for your contributions to this post I will not upload a video as a guide thanks to everyone’s great feedback.

I don’t understand. You aren’t going to upload a guide because it’s become civil?

I am not going to upload a guide because people wont appreciate it. Build video’s can be found on Strifes channel. The warrior build by Brazil, Mesmer Build is the 30,30,0,0,10 mes build, thief is on backstab 25,30,0,0,15 our current video shows enough of what we do so there is the full guide xD

But I am Brazil. It’s a Warrior build by me. And I guess that makes sense. It probably won’t ease any hostility towards you saying you aren’t going to upload videos, though.

I knew you were Brazil from start. As soon as I saw your name on here I knew kitten was going down. Just something for you, we regularly run with a ranger and our runs drop no time…Rangers are the meta man. I will upload video’s but it just wont be guides. xD

Replacing 1 Warrior with a Ranger is a good idea. People will hate, but it’s a good plan.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

Well this seems fairy civil now thank you everyone for your contributions to this post I will not upload a video as a guide thanks to everyone’s great feedback.

I don’t understand. You aren’t going to upload a guide because it’s become civil?

I am not going to upload a guide because people wont appreciate it. Build video’s can be found on Strifes channel. The warrior build by Brazil, Mesmer Build is the 30,30,0,0,10 mes build, thief is on backstab 25,30,0,0,15 our current video shows enough of what we do so there is the full guide xD

But I am Brazil. It’s a Warrior build by me. And I guess that makes sense. It probably won’t ease any hostility towards you saying you aren’t going to upload videos, though.

I knew you were Brazil from start. As soon as I saw your name on here I knew kitten was going down. Just something for you, we regularly run with a ranger and our runs drop no time…Rangers are the meta man. I will upload video’s but it just wont be guides. xD

Replacing 1 Warrior with a Ranger is a good idea. People will hate, but it’s a good plan.

My normal runs is 2 war 1 ranger 1 thief 1 mes. That is legit, ranger has crazy dps speced/geared correctly.

Is this thread still going on? If you want to post a video, post it. Where you went wrong was posting a hype-thread on content that people regularly crush in pugs, let alone efficiently farm in guild groups. Next time just post the video outright and say "here’s my guide on how we efficiently farm cof".

I’d be interested in seeing the video from a Ranger’s perspective personally.

docMed.7692:

Is this thread still going on? If you want to post a video, post it. Where you went wrong was posting a hype-thread on content that people regularly crush in pugs, let alone efficiently farm in guild groups. Next time just post the video outright and say “here’s my guide on how we efficiently farm cof”.

I’d be interested in seeing the video from a Ranger’s perspective personally.

I dont know if this thread ended. But I can tell you this, there is one ranger in the guild and it’s not me. I can’t play ranger PvE I play guard/war/mes and theif. Thats what I know. But I can tell you I often have this ranger in my party and our runs lose no time. I do understand my mistake xD

Harrahou.4518:

docMed.7692:

Is this thread still going on? If you want to post a video, post it. Where you went wrong was posting a hype-thread on content that people regularly crush in pugs, let alone efficiently farm in guild groups. Next time just post the video outright and say "here’s my guide on how we efficiently farm cof".

I’d be interested in seeing the video from a Ranger’s perspective personally.

I dont know if this thread ended. But I can tell you this, there is one ranger in the guild and it’s not me. I can’t play ranger PvE I play guard/war/mes and theif. Thats what I know. But I can tell you I often have this ranger in my party and our runs lose no time. I do understand my mistake xD

One minute you’re claiming cof p1 world record clearing times; now it’s "my groups are just as fast as normal groups" and to top it off you’re also admitting to not even understanding how your group composition functions? I take no pleasure in finding loopholes in this conversation, but man... these are quite drastic. Either way, I’m still in support of seeing some video evidence of your claims; but based on my pve and pvp experience on my Ranger I don’t quite see the place for them unless the fights are short (like cof) in order to avoid pet deaths and glaring dps gaps that would be shown in much longer fights.

docMed.7692:

Harrahou.4518:

docMed.7692:

Is this thread still going on? If you want to post a video, post it. Where you went wrong was posting a hype-thread on content that people regularly crush in pugs, let alone efficiently farm in guild groups. Next time just post the video outright and say “here’s my guide on how we efficiently farm cof”.

I’d be interested in seeing the video from a Ranger’s perspective personally.

I dont know if this thread ended. But I can tell you this, there is one ranger in the guild and it’s not me. I can’t play ranger PvE I play guard/war/mes and theif. Thats what I know. But I can tell you I often have this ranger in my party and our runs lose no time. I do understand my mistake xD

One minute you’re claiming cof p1 world record clearing times; now it’s “my groups are just as fast as normal groups” and to top it off you’re also admitting to not even understanding how your group composition functions? I take no pleasure in finding loopholes in this conversation, but man… these are quite drastic. Either way, I’m still in support of seeing some video evidence of your claims; but based on my pve and pvp experience on my Ranger I don’t quite see the place for them unless the fights are short (like cof) in order to avoid pet deaths and glaring dps gaps that would be shown in much longer fights.

There’s not really a glaring difference between Ranger DPS and Warrior DPS, especially since a lot of fights are pretty short. And since I’m a fan of evidence:

http://youtu.be/Lwf-cpHjqQU
http://youtu.be/qLJg3VarKm4

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

docMed.7692:

Harrahou.4518:

docMed.7692:

Is this thread still going on? If you want to post a video, post it. Where you went wrong was posting a hype-thread on content that people regularly crush in pugs, let alone efficiently farm in guild groups. Next time just post the video outright and say “here’s my guide on how we efficiently farm cof”.

I’d be interested in seeing the video from a Ranger’s perspective personally.

I dont know if this thread ended. But I can tell you this, there is one ranger in the guild and it’s not me. I can’t play ranger PvE I play guard/war/mes and theif. Thats what I know. But I can tell you I often have this ranger in my party and our runs lose no time. I do understand my mistake xD

One minute you’re claiming cof p1 world record clearing times; now it’s “my groups are just as fast as normal groups” and to top it off you’re also admitting to not even understanding how your group composition functions? I take no pleasure in finding loopholes in this conversation, but man… these are quite drastic. Either way, I’m still in support of seeing some video evidence of your claims; but based on my pve and pvp experience on my Ranger I don’t quite see the place for them unless the fights are short (like cof) in order to avoid pet deaths and glaring dps gaps that would be shown in much longer fights.

There’s not really a glaring difference between Ranger DPS and Warrior DPS, especially since a lot of fights are pretty short. And since I’m a fan of evidence:

http://youtu.be/Lwf-cpHjqQU
http://youtu.be/qLJg3VarKm4

At work, can’t watch youtube videos unfortunately at the moment. I still just don’t see the benefit of a ranger (it can bring +150 prec) over the utility and dps of a war (mace stun, faster travel, higher melee survivabilitiy, useful on all fights no matter length). But this is simply in terms of “max efficiency”; I’m sure groups can run rangers and be just fine, we’re talking matters of seconds in difference here.

I guess the premise is that one Ranger bringing Spotter and Frost Spirit might marginally eek out more party damage than a warrior in that same party spot. But you’d have to perform at max efficiency the whole time, I would think.

Funny that they’re a Frost-Spotter bot though. Kinda like Mesmers.

If you can even Finish the Bazaar Sprint Race?

…you can probably be a COF1 total pro all star

Broadicea.8294:

I guess the premise is that one Ranger bringing Spotter and Frost Spirit might marginally eek out more party damage than a warrior in that same party spot. But you’d have to perform at max efficiency the whole time, I would think.

Funny that they’re a Frost-Spotter bot though. Kinda like Mesmers.

http://youtu.be/mGJylZBKmos

Have some more evidence.

docMed.7692:

Harrahou.4518:

docMed.7692:

Is this thread still going on? If you want to post a video, post it. Where you went wrong was posting a hype-thread on content that people regularly crush in pugs, let alone efficiently farm in guild groups. Next time just post the video outright and say “here’s my guide on how we efficiently farm cof”.

I’d be interested in seeing the video from a Ranger’s perspective personally.

I dont know if this thread ended. But I can tell you this, there is one ranger in the guild and it’s not me. I can’t play ranger PvE I play guard/war/mes and theif. Thats what I know. But I can tell you I often have this ranger in my party and our runs lose no time. I do understand my mistake xD

One minute you’re claiming cof p1 world record clearing times; now it’s “my groups are just as fast as normal groups” and to top it off you’re also admitting to not even understanding how your group composition functions? I take no pleasure in finding loopholes in this conversation, but man… these are quite drastic. Either way, I’m still in support of seeing some video evidence of your claims; but based on my pve and pvp experience on my Ranger I don’t quite see the place for them unless the fights are short (like cof) in order to avoid pet deaths and glaring dps gaps that would be shown in much longer fights.

We do have the best clear time, but we do farm aswell. I have never tried a super fast run with a ranger because when we want to record a video it’s always been 2 thieves and will always be 2 thieves. Ranger is merely something we have in our group for farm runs and there is no DPS loss. Except for when we do a timed run with power/crit food. I apologize for the confusion xD