I think it’s a good thing because anyone who starts playing 3 months from now will have a ton of infused gear to allow him or her into all the groups that form for Fractals of the Mists.
Basically what Arena Net is doing is opening up all the content to every player, new or old!
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What’s there to like about it?
Seems like lazy game design. They were probably thinking like this:
“Let’s make the new dungeon real hard.”
“Yeah, but our players are too good. Any attacks we come up with are exploited to hell or dodged from.”
“Well, let’s just make it a gear thing. Screw player skill, this will get them killed for sure.”
“And let’s introduce the majority of the gear weeks after the dungeon release so they have their challenge.”
“By the time they’ll have their full set and faceroll the dungeon, we’ll come up with a new condition that’s only countered by superior gear.”
“BRILLIANT!!”
Just who the hell do you think I am!?
You guys do realise that Agony is old stuff, dating back to GW1, and that it foretells the return of the Mursaat? Probably we will see some Mursaat bosses using Agony in the Fractals, as the Fractals might be THE out-of-phase place they once fled to.
It’s more than just a new condition mechanic requiring you to gear up; it’s back to the roots of GW1 and most old GW1 vets will rejoice if it really brings the Mursaat back.
YES! I like the idea of guildwars actually remaining guildwars. With the inclusion of old Infused idea from prophesies and the possible addition of mursaat.
If you don’t like the idea of these dungeons don’t play them simple as that
What you guys need to remember is GW doesn’t have the monthly subscription of other MMO’s so all updates are FREE! stop moaning and play the god kitten game!
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I don’t have a problem with agony, I have a problem with the incoming gear grind it represents.
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to the people saying its 1-2 more stats its not its +5 +5 +67 per item as 3% MF = 67 other stats (see ori rings to compare to the opal one in the ss ) the rings and back are the start there will be ascended gear for every slot there are 2 wep slots 6 armour and 6 accessory slots
so 14x ( 5 / +5 / +67 ) = (70 /70 /938)
assuming theres not a greater increase on armour/ wepons
+938 vitality = +9380 hp
perhaps its not so bad say DR or something makes it ~50% lower so 475 thats still 4750 hp more than someone in exotics
in WvW these will mean the difference between life and death
in Dungeons these will mean the difference between life and death
gear treadmill aside i dont see how agony will be a challenging mechanic if it can be completely mitigated by gear, it just becomes a case of get x% agony resist ignore the damage spikes that would have killed you now you pass the gear check, that’s not challenging at all. its just a BS way to drag out content by making players farm for gear to pass the checks
a much better dungeon mechanic would have been if they reintroduced timed challenge missions from GW so something like Dajkah Inlet where you have x amount of time and killing bosses gives you an extra minute or whatever so you have to see how far you can get before the timer runs out and then reward top daily / weekly /monthly players on the leaderboards with something on top of whatever they got from the dungeon
i wish the devs had a consistent vision and didn’t push out content they know is flawed
Before you go on saying that Agony implementation is a copy of a failed system… Agony was already implemented in GW1 first campaign back in 2005 when it was released and it worked prefectly fine.
You will need infused armor only to resist Agony so if you don’t want to face Agony enemies, you don’t even have to worry about it.
Back in GW1, ANY piece of armor could’ve been infused and it was actually something you had to do whenever you changed gear, go and infuse it. Its not bad, it makes sense and it adds something else to do at the game for end game players.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/linsey-murdock-unveils-new-high-end-ascended-gear/
Arguments about gear treadmills and how GW2 wasn’t supposed to have one aside, I don’t like Agony. I don’t like how it works (from the article), I don’t like needing to mitigate it with new gear, and I don’t like the idea of grinding a dungeon for gear so I can do…the dungeon. In my opinion this is a mechanic best left in the past where it belongs, like resistance gear 5 years ago in World of Warcraft.
It’s not interesting, it doesn’t add anything to the gameplay, and it’s certainly not fun. The only reason for its existence is to encourage people to play more to upgrade their current gear.
What do you dungeon crawlers think of Agony, both the idea and implementation?
Agony = Spectal Agony is a condition from GW 1. Infusion is not a gear threadmill as you understand it. It is a special one off umm… upgrade isn’t the right word but let’s go with that, that you apply to existing armour. Granted if you change armours, you will have to get re-infused but Infusion only effects Agony. If you can’t be bothered getting infused, all you have to do is avoid mobs that perform Agony.
Infusion generally did not take long in GW 1. 15 minutes, you go kill a mob, take its essence to a “Seer”, Seer infuses your armour with the essence and your are done! I imagine to get infused in GW 2, you’ll have to do an event or something to that effect. I doubt you’ll actually have to “grind” for gear.
Agony is also a condition and will most likely be manageable to a certain degree without infusion. However, I would not recommend this as if Agony is anything like what it was in GW 1 – it will face roll you if you are not infused. In GW 1, us monks got the thankless task of keeping nubs who couldn’t be bothered spending 15 mins getting infused alive by going protection. I imagine that GW 2 it’ll probably fall to the team minded Guardian/warrior/necro to sacrifice their enjoyment and play to attempt to have a near constant condition removal setup to compensate for nubs who can’t be bothered getting infused. My suggestion is that you not rely on the generosity of other AND GET INFUSED!!!!
My brain is shagging under the weight of changes… having six characters was not a good idea!
I think they could have added the new gear w/o the Agony mechanic. It’s like needing 100 FR to do molton core all over again….lame.
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I think they could have added the new gear w/o the Agony mechanic. It’s like needing 100 FR to do molton core all over again….lame.
Please… read previous posts and try to understand what you are talking about before making this assumption. Its not gear dependant but being “keyed” to get pass content.
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
I think they could have added the new gear w/o the Agony mechanic. It’s like needing 100 FR to do molton core all over again….lame.
Please… read previous posts and try to understand what you are talking about before making this assumption. Its not gear dependant but being “keyed” to get pass content.
I’m well aware what infusion was/is in GW1. But from what i gather from the information provided infusion will work a little differently in GW2 with different slot types per piece of gear. You can’t just do an infusion run and all your gear is infused anymore, it sounds like it will work more like socketing gems currently works.
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crickits 80 ranger
crickets 80 warrior – current main
WoW tried similar approach with “resist” gear and it was Hated.
Why? Because down the road it will close dungeons to new players. No Agony-resist, no admission to dungeons, and no way to grind it with everyone moving past starter content.
Bad idea all around.
Isnt that the point of progressive content? like in a linear way? All games works this way, its implicit from the moment you launch the client the first time. You know your char will go from point A to B and scale stats and lvl in the process. This is the same thing… this doesnt mean that lvl 10 maps should be closed and lost in oblivion as nobody will close and forget about exotic dungeons…
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.
facepalm I think there is entirely too much assumption going on here. I have no doubt that Infusion in GW 2 will work differently to Infusion in GW 1 but I doubt it’ll work the same as resistance gear did in WoW.
Socketing gems I can however see. My thinking is that what we’ll get is an “infusion upgrade slot” into which you can infuse whatever you like. I.e. just as you now put runes on to your armour, you can apply infusions. I doubt it’ll be anything more onerous then getting a second set of upgrade. I.e. I fully expect all armour to have the infusion slot.
My brain is shagging under the weight of changes… having six characters was not a good idea!
It took them two months to change GW2 from a casual friendly low-grind (unless you wanted a purely cosmetic legendary) game into yet another generic WoW-clone gear progression grind. I thought you were better then this anet, but I guess I’m wrong.
My thoughts exactly. If people wanted to gear-grind WoW-style, they would go and play WoW.
If you look at the drop of the player base from launch till now you will be dissapoineted (as I am) but that was what people was kind of expecting and complaining at the forums… most of the rants claimed for a Wowish game
Zerk is the average Joe build. Don’t pat yourself in the back too hard.