Guild Wars 2

When looking in group and in map chat everyone just want gaurdians or Warriors for dungeons if you are another class they either dont invite you or kick you the minute your in the party…….Can’t ele’s , necro’s or engineers also be valuable party members……

I think it’s something else … people don’t kick bad classes if the person has high AP.

Well there are a lot of dungeon groups that like to “not kitten around” or waste time.
Of course ranger dps can compare with warrior dps if played correctly. Ele dps will outshine warrior and guardian dps by far if played correclty. Ranger can offer unique buffs and ele can provide a lot of fire fields/area might stacking. While necro and engi might not have great dps (which counts in dungeons, I’m sorry to tell you, but that red bar wont disappear by its own), engis can somewhat fill the role of a guard by providing projectile reflection/absorption (really poor though).
The problem is that most ranger/ele/necro/thief players just run terrible builds that are completley unsuited for the needs of those wanting to not waste their time in dungeons. While this also applies for a large portion of warriors and guardians, you still have a higher chance to find one of them fitting your group.

TL;DR: Nec and engi suck, other classes can be good, but the guys that play them usually suck aswell.

easy solution: post your own lfg and write in “any class welcome”. you’d be surprised how quickly you’ll fill a group.

rozcinana.7249:

easy solution: post your own lfg and write in “any class welcome”. you’d be surprised how quickly you’ll fill a group.

Exact. I hate those bad attitude players who kick others, so i start my groups alwayas, not a complain yet

Agony.3542:

Well there are a lot of dungeon groups that like to “not kitten around” or waste time.
Of course ranger dps can compare with warrior dps if played correctly. Ele dps will outshine warrior and guardian dps by far if played correclty. Ranger can offer unique buffs and ele can provide a lot of fire fields/area might stacking. While necro and engi might not have great dps (which counts in dungeons, I’m sorry to tell you, but that red bar wont disappear by its own), engis can somewhat fill the role of a guard by providing projectile reflection/absorption (really poor though).
The problem is that most ranger/ele/necro/thief players just run terrible builds that are completley unsuited for the needs of those wanting to not waste their time in dungeons. While this also applies for a large portion of warriors and guardians, you still have a higher chance to find one of them fitting your group.

TL;DR: Nec and engi suck, other classes can be good, but the guys that play them usually suck aswell.

What about mesmers?

Personally I think that Engineers are perhaps the best class to take into a PUG :>

mage.3570:

I think it’s something else … people don’t kick bad classes if the person has high AP.

Warriors set up offensive support and dps….and they are the only class able to cover so much….

Then there is guardian for support AND dps….

Other professions don t only needs guard and war support, but they are more difficult to play and they are either useless or just slightly good.

So people won t risk….

Finally checking AP after you get to 5000 is useless…
I know people with 10000+ that can t complete cof1.

Where do you play? Where I play (Gandara [EU]) we usually never kick or ask for other professions if 2-3 ‘engis, eles, mesmers or rangers’ are around…

ProtoGunner.4953:

Where do you play? Where I play (Gandara [EU]) we usually never kick or ask for other professions if 2-3 ‘engis, eles, mesmers or rangers’ are around…

i m from europe too..
Server is not important sice we all use LFG…and LFG provide enough data to prove guardian and warriors balance is an issue for pve.
(i won t even discuss the reason….but the FACT is lfg %).

It will be ignored but its undeniable that too many parties requires heavies only…..or maybe 4 heavies at least.

I’d say way more than half lfg….
nuff said.

It never happened to me, on the other hand, I mostly play the easy dungeon paths (AC, CoF, CoE, SE, HotW, CM). Rarely I do Arah and Fractals and there always with a Guild group. Maybe that’s why.

One of my fastest clears ever was 3 rangers with 2 mesmers (i was a mesmer). Amazingly none of the rangers had any of the trash builds (hint, if it has a bow its trash) so with 2 time warps and respectable dps we flew through the dungeon.

Eles are actually one of the best dungeon classes for organized groups. But not so great when you get a group that overwrites the eles fire field when they are attempting to stack might with blast finishers. All to often the bad guardians (and there are a bunch of them) slap down the wrong field types making retaliation stacks occur instead of might stacks.

Necros also have this issue of slapping down fields that organized groups don’t want. While the class by itself if played correctly is decent enough, it doesn’t actually provide any combos/support that most groups want. Add in a low skill player base…

Engies can be amazing boon stackers, but most don’t even seem to know what a combo is let alone how to stack party buffs quickly and effectively.

Which really comes down to the reason for the war/guard meta for PUGs. Most people playing other classes suck at them. Really hard too. Like bear bow hard. You often don’t notice when a bad guard is in the group because he is probably still carrying you with his random prots/reflects/aegis unless you yourself are good enough to know what a well played guard plays like. Same with war. Even a bad build does more dps and provide more offensive support than the equivelent PUG trash builds other classes seem to show up with. But once you see what a well played warrior looks like you realize that 90 percent of the wars out there aren’t competent past using a GS or axe against walled enemies. I mean think of all those runs where you see wars with the wrong banners, too many signets, or no shouts on their bar. Or ones that can actually face tank a few hits and it’s obvious they don’t have purely offensive gear on.

When it comes to mesmers: They have very specific purpose when in dungeons. Usually it their access to reflects. Sometimes they are nice for using viel/mass invis, or portal, but those are very niche skipping techniques that good groups don’t actually need. Their DPS is a kludge, since much of it is reliant on getting phantasms up. Another use is boon stripping, but there are very few fights where that matters all that much. Still a valued dungeon class, but all to many of them use the wrong weapons (if its isn’t sword/X you are probably doing it wrong) and builds (if you don’t have focus reflect…)

Thief in my experience comes in two flavors. Amazing dungeon buddy or the guy you don’t bother raising if he downs. Skips, blinds, blast finisher spam… they can do a good job in an organized group/non terrible pug. But is heavily reliant on both the player and the party knowing how to use their skill set. Most party/player combinations don’t. All too often i see a thief camping shortbow and essentially leaching the dungeon, or using heartseeker till they are out uses then falling down dead when they fail to dodge back out of combat.

i still can t get how people can like ele for might when any mesmer can do better with 1 button ._.

As an ele/mesmer it bugs me a lot

With an ele, we can take something more useful for the group or for our DPS than SoI (like a mantra)

Jeremlloyd.6837:

With an ele, we can take something more useful for the group or for our DPS than SoI (like a mantra)

Since you have 4 utility slot (3 without the elite) you can actually take both the signet and whatever you like…

Differently from ele that has all his slots mandatory.

Well we mostly take a mesmer for the reflection so Feedback is a must, also since I’m playing with Empowered Mantra, I always have Mantra of Resolve (or Concentration), that leave 1 spot open. I mostly take another mantra to boost my DPS, Blink / Portal to skip or Null Fied if the group need heavy condition removal.

signet was only worth it when people stacked warriors anyway.

When I see people post for war/mes/guard only I just laugh and take my fgs somewhere else. But I think to say you’ll get auto kicked from the average pug if you’re not w/m/g is a huge exaggeration, if not completely false.

rfdarko.4639:

When I see people post for war/mes/guard only I just laugh and take my fgs somewhere else. But I think to say you’ll get auto kicked from the average pug if you’re not w/m/g is a huge exaggeration, if not completely false.

yeah…recently mesmer aren t wellcome either…..guardians only in fractals ._.

Well i d just point out 2 issues:

There are too many LFG that reservers 3 to 5 spots to heavies….possibly more than 50%

Pugging fotm means 1-2 guardians mandatory.

This may be caused by many factors even by wrong perception if you want to believe but…..

Instead of discussing IF warriors and guardians are OP or not; FIX the balance in profession demand according to data from LFG tool that clearly proves we have an issue.

P.S. totally opening a thread about it….