Guild Wars 2

Just spent ages doing 3 rounds of fractal at 30 then got maw down to last hit and ..
I get kicked outta the game..

I’ve spent the last week doing dailies and managed to do dailies the whole week without a single ring.

and after this week of no ring I get and uninfused and now this dc.

Well I’m sure more have been worse off and such but this is a kick in the kitten.

same happened to me. hope they fix soon, i advise u turn off any third party programs that are sucking your bandwidth. even if it seems they r not its good to turn them off anyway when playing. I cant say more and i cant say why i cant say more.

Just tried to do 30 again,3rd one was cliffside… the most bugged out thing ever.

We stun him and adds spawn but we failed first time,we come back and adds hadnt despawned nor the bosses hp,then he kept spawning more and more until we were kicked from instance and game.

This has been a massive waste of my time and ingame money.

This is the worst experience ive had in gw2 so far. :/

This is the kind of thing that makes me consider not even bothering with my monthly this time around – I just don’t want to do Fractals.

Sil.4560:

This is the kind of thing that makes me consider not even bothering with my monthly this time around – I just don’t want to do Fractals.

Yeah I wish I was just ignorant to this dungeon completely from the start.

I would say I’d stop playing but i won’t most likely,i’ll just be annoyed at the rng ring drama and the mass of bugs inside and hope the wintersday thing isnt a flop.

I feel your pain…. a group I typically run with was down to the last few percentages on the last golem of the Asura boss (we were doing fractal 19 and that would’ve finished it), but then the person who made the fractal DC’ed and it actually booted us all out.

Needless to say it was incredibly demoralizing

Bruno Sardine.2907:

I feel your pain…. a group I typically run with was down to the last few percentages on the last golem of the Asura boss (we were doing fractal 19 and that would’ve finished it), but then the person who made the fractal DC’ed and it actually booted us all out.

Needless to say it was incredibly demoralizing

This has happened to me before aswell at maw on 30.

Also the bug when the bots go invuln permanently is annoying as hell

Oh yeah u were w/ me at the maw lvl.
We were wondering who got dc in the middle of the maw fight and we were discussing about why havent they fixed the dc problem.
And they said that u were stuck in the loading screen or something like that.

Yep that does suck really bad especially u spent so long on a lvl 30 fractal. Took around 2ish hrs i presume?

Some hours ago i got dc at lvl28 in the boss before jade maw and yeah i was not happy.

But why does anet first fix the bugs of fractals and not the biggest problem that we can get back in when we dc?

Ze Dos Cavalos.6132:

But why does anet first fix the bugs of fractals and not the biggest problem that we can get back in when we dc?

Because adding a block to prevent a jump or turning an Ettin allied before an event is a far easier task to achieve than “make a dungeon support reconnections when it was designed using the architecture for a story step and not that of a typical dungeon”.

They are working on fixing the disconnect issue, and there are countless developer posts reassuring us of that. However, it is not a simple task, so give them some time. If it really bothers you that much, just don’t do FotM until it’s fixed! There’s plenty of other stuff to do in the meantime.

Rising Dusk.2408:

They are working on fixing the disconnect issue, and there are countless developer posts reassuring us of that. However, it is not a simple task, so give them some time. If it really bothers you that much, just don’t do FotM until it’s fixed! There’s plenty of other stuff to do in the meantime.

The problem with that attitude is that people that have been doing dungeons have spent countless hours posting bugs that have been ignored. We have had multiple posting about how to update explorable mode to make it “more fun” (as dungeons are some of the weakest link in the game, but are the one thing aside from WvW to actually do). It took around 3 weeks for them to fix the Arah door on Borlis pass….then it broke again when fractals came out. Big surprise. This patch may have fixed it or not I really don’t care anymore since Fractals came out, but by an entire month of the endgame dungeon that is required for their own personal story (which I completed way back thankfully) is a sign of wrong priorities.

They haven’t been ignored, it’s just not an easy practice to fix everything. I understand as a consumer I want everything yesterday, but as a developer for a different company than ANet, I also have a good perspective into how difficult solving problems that users consider simple really is. Even when things do get fixed, it’s critical to QA and make sure it isn’t breaking things elsewhere; look at how frequently that happens already with them trying their hardest to make us happy with new content/patches/fixes? Imagine how bad it would be without their QA team doing any of that work; I imagine they’d be breaking more than they fix. At least right now we’re moving in the right direction.

I know, I know, it’s easy to be frustrated and to say that the company is doing a bad job, etc, but the reality is that they’re not. They don’t make billions of dollars a month from our subscriptions (because there are none), so they cannot afford to hire ten thousand employees to solve every First World Tyria problem that comes up the day it appears. I’ve come to terms with that as a player, and try to help where I can by PMing bugs I find and ways to replicate them to the appropriate developers. The fact that the developers even read these forums despite the flak they get from players is a testament to how much they love their game and want to improve it. That alone tells me that I’m in the right place, supporting the right game, and willing to be patient with fixes.

That’s just my take on it, though. You’re still free to believe that you need everything yesterday, and that ANet is doing everything wrong, but I don’t believe that attitude is constructive or beneficial to anyone, least of all yourself. Enjoy the game for what it is, and if something isn’t working, try something else. That’s what gets me through the dark nights in the underbelly of Orr.

Ze Dos Cavalos.6132:

They are working on fixing the disconnect issue, and there are countless developer posts reassuring us of that. However, it is not a simple task, so give them some time. If it really bothers you that much, just don’t do FotM until it’s fixed! There’s plenty of other stuff to do in the meantime.

I have played 129 fractals since it came out. Today was the very first day I got kicked out of a dungeon thx to Anet and todays update. Never had any problems with the dungeon before.

Played level 20 and like 10-15 seconds after I finished loading the bonus map (4th map), the LA loading screen suddenly appear. All of a sudden I find myself in LA. same happened to one more in my party. This is no simple disconnect. It definitively isnt a problem with my internet or connection. This is due to the patch.

Anet care more about kitten fix of some time saving exploits than actually fixing thing or implementing things that actually work properly. and these kitten exploits they fixed created more and 10 times worse buggs and problems.

Since I got kicked out of the dungeon I had to redo it. wasting lots of time, thank you very much Anet, my party encountered another bugg. We finished out first map ( ice fractal ), but only 4 of us was transferd to the next map. One was left behind. we all did a suicide and luckely the 5th person was able to join us on after we went back to checkpoint.

Things I never have hear or seen before happened in 2/2 occasions. I dont want to have to worry about being kicked out of the dungeon at random or 1 or more in my party to suddenly disappear hanging over me while playing a dungeon.
Clearly the more Anet tries to fix the fractals the more their ruin.

Fractals was fun, at least until you had to start to worry about being kicked out at random. And I dont see why I should go and do something else because Anet kittened up the dungeon with a so called patch that was aimed to fix things. Would be better if they reverted it back to how it was 2 days ago and properly fix hte so called patch. downgrade is what is really is.

^^^ Funny you mention that, because before my group got kicked it was like "speak with ghost “whatever name” in Lion’s Arch"… and before I could even be like “kitten?”, the loading screen for LA popped up. So maybe it wasn’t a DC for a particular player as much as a biff by Anet.

Everyone was real pissed when it happend and I was more like “who the kitten is this ghost dude?” (I was also pretty unhappy as well).

Rising Dusk.2408:

I know, I know, it’s easy to be frustrated and to say that the company is doing a bad job, etc, but the reality is that they’re not.

I am sure the Warhammer Online and SW:ToR devs thought the exact same thing about their game. You can have “passion” for your game but still be misguided. Devs are human not gods, they can make mistakes.

I mean, how can you even fathom the way fractals work w/o adding an updated LFG tool alongside it. We as PLAYERS are fixing DEVELOPER problems. Just look at the LFG site for an example. When this starts happening, things are at a low low level.

You think I liken them to Gods? Most certainly not, sir. I liken them to human beings, and being one of those myself, I know all too well exactly the limitations of their convictions. As a result, I am patient with them, knowing said upper limits. That sentiment practically bleeds from my previous post if you’d care to look at it again.

For the record, users of a software always come up with their own work-arounds to developer issues regardless of both the nature of the software and how well-designed/developed it is. There will be bugs, there will be problems, and there will be features that get left out or pushed back. That’s how development works, and it’s not a flaw of the company; the issue arises from a disjoint of some user expectations and realistic company workflow. Many times things are intentionally released unfinished because perpetually delaying a new piece of content is not a viable marketing strategy. You may say they should wait until it works 110%, but then others will say that they want new content now. You can’t and won’t appease everyone.

Perhaps the difference in our opinions is purely philosophical. I like having new content available, and am willing to endure a few crushing bugs / issues as they get resolved at a later date. I am also willing to accept this because I know how software development works, and know that there are limits as to what can be safely expected from an initial release of new content. Based on my professional experience, the fractals release was well-executed, and a majority of users are enjoying the content while only a select few are facing issues… issues they are now working to resolve for your all’s edification. Perhaps you, judging from your posts and tone, would instead prefer no content at all until it is working perfectly? Thus, if you had your way, we wouldn’t have Fractals until January at the earliest, and we wouldn’t get to enjoy it in the meantime. I can see ups and downs to both approaches, though I feel that their current approach of adding new content at an impressive rate is something I personally enjoy.

Rising Dusk.2408:

For the record, users of a software always come up with their own work-arounds to developer issues regardless of both the nature of the software and how well-designed/developed it is.

I do agree with some things you said. Players/consumers will “fix” broken sections of a product, but that doesn’t mean I give them scott free.

There is absolutely no way a game released in 2012 should have such an outdated LFG tool (my example before with the website). Especially months post launch. Not to mention lackluster support of their “e-sports” side. It wouldn’t take any time to really fix as you could have the chat server do all the work (extend zone wide to server wide). I know fractals themselves are harder to fix the LD issue due to them making obvious bad choices (Explorables do NOT work the same way as fractals, thus issues occur in fixing them). But something as simple as an LFG tool? Really? Back in everquest 1999 we had a better tool. Heck, even in GW1 we had a better tool. There is just no way to logically defend it, other than priorities are misplaced.

And yes, I would MUCH rather have working content than broken content. There is no way I could understand anyone that would want it another way. You may not have played EQ1 when this very thing occured, but it made the player base (especially the more hardcore raiders) very angry. It SUCKS to do a dungeon for HOURS to get nothing, or have it bug out, etc. Especially with the lackluster loot system we have.

There are lots of parts to your post which are subjective in nature, so I don’t want to touch on them too much because a battle of the opinions doesn’t really interest me. That said, I will say that as a player, I research bugs before I do something, look up the ways players avoid the bugs, and then carefully avoid the bugs in my playing. Doing this, I have (for example) achieved the dungeon master title despite the blocking bugs in Arah and other dungeons. It’d be nice if these bugs didn’t exist, but they are not completely crushing, and have not in any way impeded my enjoyment of the game thanks to my careful planning. Knowing that they are working the fixes for them is good enough for me, and hasn’t stopped me from enjoying the game.

Similarly, you’re talking to a guy whose internet fails regularly in ways beyond my control. FotM has been a nightmare in that respect, and reconnecting is definitely something they’re working a solution for. That said, I have, again, planned my time to take advantage of times of the day when my connectivity is better and I am less likely to disconnect. As a result, I have played a lot of successful FotM runs despite the fact that I regularly disconnect from the game. When I am disconnecting, I just do the other dungeons that allow reconnects, and my time is not wasted.

I don’t think the bugs are good, nor am I happy with them. Don’t mistake my patience for complacency. These bugs absolutely must be addressed, but I have spoken with the developers / read their posts and know that they are being worked on. Their communication in this regard is admirable. I also agree that we need an improved LFG tool, but I don’t think it’s fair to expect one walking out of the door. The guild system in GW2 encourages being in multiple guilds and having huge friends lists; I never have to look for groups, even when my guild is largely offline. I use GW2LFG sometimes, but largely I don’t have to because I have, again, planned my time wisely so that I know people in many different timezones always available and willing to play with me. For me, a LFG tool is not as important as releasing new content to keep players engaged and excited for what’s to come. You have to remember that ANet needs players to constantly be coming to the game in order to keep making money, and in order to achieve that these content updates are of critical importance. New content draws in new players, and making it a regular thing makes all customers think they are getting more bang for their buck. That, to me, is worth the issues we face as players, and what’s better is knowing that “in time” this, too, will get addressed.

Perhaps it helps that I am a patient person in general, despite being quite a hardcore player. Again, this is just how I approach things like this as a gamer and developer.

Thanks for the feedback Rising Dusk.I see your point of view as well.Just abit frustrating doing 30 4 times in a row and someone getting dced each time and having to restart, especially on 3rd or maw.

I’m not going to do cliffside untill the bugs are fixed so I’ll have to reset each time we get it,even if its 3rd