Guild Wars 2

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thrag.9740:

Iris Ng.9845:

2. In the case the boss cannot be deep frozen or rooted, moving (small hit box) bosses inside the ice storm aoe take a considerably more damage than stationary bosses. So the same suggestion wouldn’t be really a nerf to ice bow damage.

Arn’t where the blobs of ice fall random? A moving boss seems just as likely to decrease its damage taken by moving within the aoe, as it is to increase it. Obviously if the boss moves out of the aoe it will take less damage. Am I missing something?

I would say the density of the impacts will more likely increase the damage if the target moving within the aoe. It’s also less likely for the same spot to be hit multiple times since you have a bigger aoe and same numbers of shards. You can observe it yourself by having Mossman chilled, run towards you inside the ice storm, or going to PvP and ask someone icebow you.

Personally I don’t see why that developer was so smug about the nerf. Pretty much everybody knew that skill was over-performing for a long time, and yet sledgehammer “balance” literally years behind, on the brink of an expansion, he thinks is mic-drop worthy? It was pretty cringe worthy honestly.

It was cringey, but they always manage to manage to deliver it as cringe…

The fact that they act exactly like a PHIW would react if they were given the wheel of the company, just goes to show the whole company is turning into them.

Given a chance, I would have delivered the “message” in exact same way.

Never was a fan of burst-it-before-it-can-react playstyle so I’m quite happy with the nerf, very happy actually.

Would’ve been much better to just read it in small print on tuesdays patch notes.

frifox.5283:

Never was a fan of burst-it-before-it-can-react playstyle so I’m quite happy with the nerf, very happy actually.

Ya, but the Icebow was never the problem.You can’t burst-it-before-it-can-react the Archdiviner in fractal 50. Even in record run situation this fight take around a minute and the icebow burst last for a couple of seconds at the beginning. So clearly the Icebow wasn’t the problem. It’s low level dungeon with super easy boss that can be destroyed by icebow that was the problem.

Anet just destroyed a part of the game simply because part of their content is too easy.

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

It was cringey, but they always manage to manage to deliver it as cringe…

The fact that they act exactly like a PHIW would react if they were given the wheel of the company, just goes to show the whole company is turning into them.

Yea…that whole ‘us vs them’ mentality may make the world easier to understand, but you’re not really seeing what’s going on when you oversimplify things like that.

gonna be a tad slow on big bosses:
PS: "Storm Spirit similarly give 3 stacks of Swiftness every 3s " … on a static minion…

Evapor.6849:

It’s so sad that even on reddit all those plebs rocking necro and ranger flairs think this will somehow make their class more appealing, like they are mad at the world because they picked a garbage class at launch and never bothered to change. Elementalist is a high skillcap class, smallest hp pool in the game on light armour, it only makes sense that the highest risk has the highest reward to play. Even if raids were remotely challenging I doubt icebow would be used anyway as their are much better survivability options or you could just go with the glyph of power to keep even more chill on bosses.

Don’t worry ele’s will still be able to carry raids, even if anets whack-a-mole balance policy continues the exact same thing has happened with fgs and look where eles are today.

lol this fool talking about skill cap on a class that can do the strongest DPS ingame outside melee.

Try doing mossman/archdiviner with ranger mainhand sword and get back to me about skill cap.

frifox.5283:

Given a chance, I would have delivered the “message” in exact same way.

Never was a fan of burst-it-before-it-can-react playstyle so I’m quite happy with the nerf, very happy actually.

I agree with you in that it needed a nerf and that play style is unfun.

But… the mic drop. Pretty corny and certainly lame in the sense that they’ve taken how long to simply drop the damage by half. if they came up with a more creative change, sure, act however you want, but really? It should be more “sorry for leaving this around so long, we wanted to do something with it to keep it in regular use but have it not be overpowered and nothing really seemed to work because of the exploits that can be used with it, so we’re just halving the damage”

I don’t know, I’d feel guilty if I were them.

But, not like any of that matters, yay it was finally nerfed.

Thaddeus.4891:

frifox.5283:

Never was a fan of burst-it-before-it-can-react playstyle so I’m quite happy with the nerf, very happy actually.

Ya, but the Icebow was never the problem.You can’t burst-it-before-it-can-react the Archdiviner in fractal 50. Even in record run situation this fight take around a minute and the icebow burst last for a couple of seconds at the beginning. So clearly the Icebow wasn’t the problem. It’s low level dungeon with super easy boss that can be destroyed by icebow that was the problem.

Anet just destroyed a part of the game simply because part of their content is too easy.

Well, a few fractal bosses can be burst down quite well with icebow, such as bloomhunger and molten duo. However, there are also a lot of smaller bosses such as mossman, diviner, mai who are not affected nearly as much by icebow.

My guess is that this nerf is more so about the fact that raids will probably have large enemies and large clusters of enemies. And less about dungeons.

The ridiculous burst currently in meta which kills bosses under 15-8 secs without them doing anything and the ease with which you can pull it off ( stack some might + ice bows) is because of ice bows. Would have preferred a rework since we have once more only useless conjures.

Ppl are just going to slot LH over IB and use 4 on it. And then for example ranger could easily keep it and auto with it to get better dps than normal sword auto.

LH 4 will do half the damage of the new IB 4 (according to the wiki) so I don’t think LH will be a thing ( at least not for this skill).
Ice bow still has DF which is one (if not THE) longest CC in game : negation of damage for 5 sec, still strong support.
It won’t disappear directly after patch. My only concern is if they homogenize all bosses with defiant bars after HoT maybe IB5 won’t see any advantage anymore.

Asura ranger with technobabble can do 6 second daze and after druid comes out any ranger can do 6s AoE daze on 5 second cooldown.

Ryn.6459:

About time.
Engi on top of food chain now XD

Omnomnomnom!

Taku.6352:

Asura ranger with technobabble can do 6 second daze and after druid comes out any ranger can do 6s AoE daze on 5 second cooldown.

I kinda expect them to nerf MoC tbh

perry.9645:

Taku.6352:

Asura ranger with technobabble can do 6 second daze and after druid comes out any ranger can do 6s AoE daze on 5 second cooldown.

I kinda expect them to nerf MoC tbh

When druid comes out bosses will have a breakbar anyway.

Why didn’t I make an asura ranger!

Lendruil.9061:

perry.9645:

Taku.6352:

Asura ranger with technobabble can do 6 second daze and after druid comes out any ranger can do 6s AoE daze on 5 second cooldown.

I kinda expect them to nerf MoC tbh

When druid comes out bosses will have a breakbar anyway.

Yea in new areas but old content will still have defiance until they get around to changing them.

Taku.6352:

Lendruil.9061:

perry.9645:

Taku.6352:

Asura ranger with technobabble can do 6 second daze and after druid comes out any ranger can do 6s AoE daze on 5 second cooldown.

I kinda expect them to nerf MoC tbh

When druid comes out bosses will have a breakbar anyway.

Yea in new areas but old content will still have defiance until they get around to changing them.

IE never

The longer the duration of the CC, the faster the breakbar will get consumed. Also the breakbar is only available at a certain time, like right before a big attack. So it depends on how fast you can pull off your CC. Thief is still great with Basilisk Venom + Headshot.

Taku.6352:

Asura ranger with technobabble can do 6 second daze and after druid comes out any ranger can do 6s AoE daze on 5 second cooldown.

You can make it 8 sec with mesmer runes! Another 6 sec CC would be war with “fear me!” and 100% condi duration. But yeah, IB still dominates because you can pull that CC off without sacrificing much dps through crazy gear choices.

Bukkebruse.2810:

IE never

Old content is having basic break bars being put in with HoT.

Iris Ng.9845:

The longer the duration of the CC, the faster the breakbar will get consumed. Also the breakbar is only available at a certain time, like right before a big attack. So it depends on how fast you can pull off your CC. Thief is still great with Basilisk Venom + Headshot.

This will be confusing when the bars get released, does a 3sec stun take off twice as much as a 1.5 sec? What about a 3sec daze? or a 6sec chill? 6 sec cripple? immobilize? is a 750 knockback twice as much as a 375, how does a knockback compare to a pull, daze, fear?

SlyDevil.3952:

Bukkebruse.2810:

IE never

Old content is having basic break bars being put in with HoT.

Iris Ng.9845:

The longer the duration of the CC, the faster the breakbar will get consumed. Also the breakbar is only available at a certain time, like right before a big attack. So it depends on how fast you can pull off your CC. Thief is still great with Basilisk Venom + Headshot.

This will be confusing when the bars get released, does a 3sec stun take off twice as much as a 1.5 sec? What about a 3sec daze? or a 6sec chill? 6 sec cripple? immobilize? is a 750 knockback twice as much as a 375, how does a knockback compare to a pull, daze, fear?

I have no ideas how they are gonna rate soft CC over the breakbar consumption. But for hard CC, the duration of the disabled effect matters. I could imagine knockback range hardly has any effects.

I wonder what will happen to Mai Trin if I can’t cripple/chill her not fun ANet, not fun.

Jerus.4350:

I wonder what will happen to Mai Trin if I can’t cripple/chill her not fun ANet, not fun.

Speed boost, walk sideways.

SlyDevil.3952:

Jerus.4350:

I wonder what will happen to Mai Trin if I can’t cripple/chill her not fun ANet, not fun.

Speed boost, walk sideways.

yeah yeah I know, but I like my chills/cripples.