Guild Wars 2

I’ve already submitted my bug-reports ingame so this is more of a rant on the general state of FoTM right now to blow off some steam on. I’ve ran FoTMs lvl 17 three separate times in the last two days.

The first attempt saw us get to Dung 2 which was Cliffside. A guy DC’d and couldn’t get back in which made the last seal and boss a real pain but we did it after about 1hr30. However, because we took so long, 2 people had to leave so the run was a fail.
Second attempt saw us get to 3rd Fractal but the Grawl Shaman got stuck at the edge of the lava somehow, he was invulnerable to all our casts and so that run was a fail too.
Third attempt with another pug saw us also get to 3rd Fractal (Asura). We wiped a few times at Big Tom the robot or whatever and one particular guy got really upset and left. One man down, we did it the the next attempt (Screw you Xerox Festa), and made it to the Asura boss which was relatively easy to take down 4 man. So we did it, got the chest but the Outro cinematic didn’t fire and we never got the confirmation to go back to Dessa’s lab. So that run was busted too even though we killed the last boss of the last Fractal! I think it might have been something to do with the guy that left having started the fractal in the first place, i dunno.

And this was just the last 2 days for me, ive had numerous runs all the way up to 17 with DC’s, broken NPC’s etc. Its beyond a joke.

We NEED an LFG tool, and we NEED to be able to continue in dungeons where we left off, even with a different player if need be. FoTM is broken and potentially a massive waste of time right now as far as im concerned without these features.

For now, im done with FoTM and by extension GW2 until it is fixed.

at least you can find a group. I’m having issues finding a group to do Fractals lvl 28. Yeah, that’s using gw2lfg site, and still can’t find one.

I’ve stopped like 2 weeks ago as well. Mainly because it took ages to find a lvl 20+ group and I know they will revamp the fractals system or add a LFG ingame tool. That and because i got 2 ascended rings that i like stats wise

Since they are going to change this probably on the next patch, i don’t see the point of going through the pain of finding a group/dealing with DCs.

Stopped as well.
Bugs and glitches is one thing, mostly you don’t encounter them and OP just had really bad luck. My problem is RNG with rings. Progression based on luck? 2 weeks of dailies and only one ring? While some other people have like 10 of them? No, thanks.

Halo.8976:

Progression based on luck? 2 weeks of dailies and only one ring? While some other people have like 10 of them? No, thanks.

Ya I am getting to that point as well. 1.5 weeks of two (10&20) dailies and nothing.

i love the concept of the FotM dungeons.. but waiting for these issues to be.. improved on i guess. the concept of people looking for certain levels separates the player base even more than the OG dungeons did. “lfg _ exp only lvl 80 full exotics pls” that is nothing compared to these restrictions fractals place upon the community.

dc-ing and losing just one makes the fractals tat much harder to completely. it’s not even that bad in the OG dungeons.

they’re fun and i want to do them more, but will hold off for now. i’m having difficulty completing my monthly for these very reasons. sadlt though, mainly because the guildies i usually run with aren’t available. and with PUGs more often than not, people will just leave without a word, because they couldn’t settle on a strategy and started arguing andn wouldn’t listen to anyone. we’re in this together.. so if you can’t handle pugs, i want to say… stay away from pugs…. i know i’m late, but i’m only lvl 3 with fractals. our last run was swamp. this guy quit after 2 attempts. what not even 2 mins? and then once tha tperson left, another left as well. and eventually, whole group dropped like flies…..

I run only with PUGs and only occasionally have rage quits at low levels. People want to progress, and if you willing to give them advice and being nice – they won’t quit.

Actually, more than often people rage quit at higher levels. Only because they got there their conceit leads them to death under AoE or in the middle of zerg. They don’t listen advises, die like flies and then rage quit to find a group willing to carry them. Meh. Will a guild save you from that? Doubt it.

Done here as well. Really dissapointed because faptals were reasonably fun and a good way to grab loot. Now its just… horror. Did lv 17 four times before completed on the fifth try. Now at 19 I can’t seem to do it with a pug. Did a 10 daily last night… complete abortion. Swamp, cliffside (um yea…) our gaurdi DC’d and we ACTUALLY passed as a bunch of squishies with brocken armor only to enter grawl… I quit then. For a long long time.

Finally people start to see the truth

I knew this would happen eventually since day 1. The idea of fractioning community, inability to rejoin after dc, inability to play with your alts, inability to cross server unless from overflow and everpresent RNG. Those are major issues with fractals as of this moment.

haviz.1340:

Finally people start to see the truth

I knew this would happen eventually since day 1. The idea of fractioning community, inability to rejoin after dc, inability to play with your alts, inability to cross server unless from overflow and everpresent RNG. Those are major issues with fractals as of this moment.

Seems they packed everything into the fractals that players generally hate to see if we would swallow it. It seems we (as a community) did, so this concept is there to stay. Expect more of it in future content!

phooka.4295:

haviz.1340:

Finally people start to see the truth

I knew this would happen eventually since day 1. The idea of fractioning community, inability to rejoin after dc, inability to play with your alts, inability to cross server unless from overflow and everpresent RNG. Those are major issues with fractals as of this moment.

Seems they packed everything into the fractals that players generally hate to see if we would swallow it. It seems we (as a community) did, so this concept is there to stay. Expect more of it in future content!

Thankfully I’m not going to do them because of the listed issues

Iehova.9518:

Can I have your stuff?

Careful I posted that exact same line in another post and got an infraction on my account for “trolling”. The guy even said he was quitting, it was a legit question, I wanted his gold if he was quitting would wouldn’t?!

Anyhow, you may want to edit your post before you get an infraction as I did.

I stopped 3 weeks ago after i got my rings. Why? Because the higher you go, the harder it is to get a group for the specific progression level you want. Not interested in wasting hours trying to form a group to do something that will take a fraction of that time.

Really poor design to segement the player-base so much. This dungeon single-handedly killed alot of PvE zones and dungeons in the process; now you see people just sitting in LA spamming chat, idly doing nothing.

AWSUMSAUCE.4372:

Done here as well. Really dissapointed because faptals were reasonably fun and a good way to grab loot. Now its just… horror. Did lv 17 four times before completed on the fifth try. Now at 19 I can’t seem to do it with a pug. Did a 10 daily last night… complete abortion. Swamp, cliffside (um yea…) our gaurdi DC’d and we ACTUALLY passed as a bunch of squishies with brocken armor only to enter grawl… I quit then. For a long long time.

I think I was the Guardian in your group that DC’d when we were transferring… I was so f’in frustrated that I didn’t log back into the game.

Personally I’ll be quitting the game after this patch if they don’t fix the DC issue because that would just be unacceptable and just plain kittening with people. I already stopped buying gems with the november patch because of a change in their philosophy, such a great game it’s a shame the way it’s turning

I’m doing the fractals daily almost every day (lvl 10+) and still no ring while others are swimming in rings. I can’t even progress anymore with 0 agony resistance. RNG pretty much ruined this game.

I haven’t played fractals in a while now. groups are way too hard to find. I’ve gotten two rings in 20+ fractals. since they were both the same ones, and I didn’t realize you can’t quite rings with the same name, i put the agony resist on them both before equipping. Needless to say, ring wasted.

I’ve been lucky with the rings. I have had fun in fractals. Right now, it’s just that I can’t find groups to run with, and cliffside infinite mob spawn being an issue.

I also wish fractal level is account bound too though. I finally have a 2nd level 80 character and I honestly dont feel like redoing all the levels…

I’ve had minimal problems finding groups using an LFG website, but for the other reasons I think it’s perfectly reasonable to quit due to bugs or things not functioning as smoothly as they should. The implementation of FotM is far from perfect, and i’m sure it will become more enjoyable as ANet fixes the things that make FotM a more frustrating experience than it should be.

I see so much passive aggressive rage in this thread…

Ask yourself: Is it fun? Progression aside, is it fun?

If it isn’t, then no number of bugfixes will make it fun. It is supposed to be fun; progression through fractals is not meant to be limitless, it is meant to have an end. So eventually you will hit the wall (currently at level 50, I’m told), and if the content isn’t fun then, you’re just going to be frustrated again and have the added rage of so much wasted effort.

If the content is fun, realize that bugs are frustrating but instead of wasting 90 minute on ciffside, think of the fun that was the added challenge. I remember very fondly a botched Onyxia raid where only 6 people survived a deep braeth attack and we still managed to take her from early phase 2 to dead (5 survived the fight). The fight was more fun for that mistake.

Frustration should make you log off, but good content will have you coming back the following night. If you hit a streak of bad luck with players disconnecting, or bugs, or what have you, frustration is understandable, but these things are limited in scope to a single run, so you should be coming back for more good times, hoping to avoid the bugs. If you don’t enjoy the core experience, however… you’re still not going to enjoy it after the bugs are fixed.

From the sound of it, you don’t enjoy the content, you force yourself to play it because it is the “in” thing to do. I faced down this very logic after 4 months of farming SolRoA in EQ. 4 months of hardcore farming and I finally realized the game was boring; I wasn’t having fun, I was just doing it because I didn’t want to invalidate all the work I had done previously.

Fildydarie.1496:

I see so much passive aggressive rage in this thread…

From the sound of it, you don’t enjoy the content, you force yourself to play it because it is the “in” thing to do. I faced down this very logic after 4 months of farming SolRoA in EQ. 4 months of hardcore farming and I finally realized the game was boring; I wasn’t having fun, I was just doing it because I didn’t want to invalidate all the work I had done previously.

No you misunderstand. I didn’t say I don’t enjoy the content. In fact its the opposite, if I get a ‘good’ run and nobody has connection issues or what have you, I really really love it. Im loving the added challenge agony is bringing in in these later levels and to be honest, even when there is a DC, its always fun to just try it with 4 just to see how we do. Case in point, taking down Big Tom with 4 after somebody quit. The feeling of achievement is immense I don’t doubt that. The content has the potential to be brilliant but it is being held back by being frankly, unfinished.

My problem is that any issues at all should be rare. At the moment, the ratio is way out of whack. A vast minority of my runs have been plagued by show-stopping bugs and DC’s (which the players should be able to work around i.e allowing an outsider to join mid-fractal if they have completed the level in the past.)

Just a thought actually, the Fractals are already kind of ‘checkpointed’ as far as player deaths. Couldn’t there be a feature to allow players to ‘reset’ the progress in that fractal to the last checkpoint? That way, stuck npc’s and the like could be respawned and reset to their idle position and brought out of combat if need be. Not ideal, but much better than starting an entire run of 3 fractals because one thing broke at the very end. One use per fractal to prevent abuse and all bosskills instantly checkpoint forward. :P

I cant find anyone to do FOTM 1 with… Tried it with PUG twice, couldnt complete either due to disconnect bug or people have to leave early, sigh…

Agreed I think they’re boring and the rewards aren’t as good as the regular dungeons. I also like the way the regular dungeons flow.

Fractals are great but the bugs and the gear grind are not something I enjoy.

same boat

takes way too long should been hotfixed quite a while now

instance is fun disconnects or people quitting and not able to replace them is not

Helenorz.2547:

at least you can find a group. I’m having issues finding a group to do Fractals lvl 28. Yeah, that’s using gw2lfg site, and still can’t find one.

You’ll have more luck when they expand fractals more. The major RvR balance points hit at levels 10 and 20 right now, fractals are barely “supported” by Anet beyond the 3rd tier (20-29).

Most people I know have little desire to continue fractals up into the 30s because they’re balanced around gear and rewards that don’t yet exist.

Yay Noobix,

Very well stated – here here!

I’m having the exact type of experiences

Fractals are a big waste of time and should be your primary concern right now

If there was another game out tomorrow I’m pretty sure I’d drop GW2 w/out a second thought

Yep I stopped at fractals lvl 32. I got all my rings, fractal back, and other stuff. There is no reason to go beyond.

So yeah,

I’d like to know when you are going to:

1. realize that fractal runs are a major time investment
2. acknowledge to yourselves that disconnect is a fairly common problem
3. admit that getting 3/4 through a fractal and then being locked out really blows for your players.
4. come to the conclusion that fractal content would be alot more popular if people didnt consider it such a pain in the axx specifically because of this problem.
5 start thinking about finding a way to allow people to rejoin their party after disconnecting
5. start doing something about it

Thanks

Thanks? Who are you talking with? Mods to throw a ban or what? I guess you didn’t notice, no dev is gonna read any thread at all, expecially one of this kind
Luckly we have alternatives, quite valid too to just shrugs and forget this bad experience buying this game and how it turned to be ^^

Tulisin.6945:

Helenorz.2547:

at least you can find a group. I’m having issues finding a group to do Fractals lvl 28. Yeah, that’s using gw2lfg site, and still can’t find one.

You’ll have more luck when they expand fractals more. The major RvR balance points hit at levels 10 and 20 right now, fractals are barely “supported” by Anet beyond the 3rd tier (20-29).

Most people I know have little desire to continue fractals up into the 30s because they’re balanced around gear and rewards that don’t yet exist.

my goal was to hit 30 and farm there; i would like to own some fractal weapons myself, but at this rate? not anytime soon

got to lev33 and completely lost interest. Got two rings for glass cannon and two rabid ones i needed, now what? Have frac weps i wanted now its just playing for fun and its not fun when there’s no goal. Did cliffside on level30 today (pug) and i never thought it was even possible but only took like 20 minutes(last boss not the whole level). Anet, add new crap to fractals or it’ll be extremely hard to find people for other than daily 10-20-30.