Guild Wars 2

Yeah ring of earth is a DPS loss

Zelyhn Lekovitch.2867:

Yeah ring of earth is a DPS loss

Yeah now that I look at it.. ROE appears to be a 1.2 coefficient on a 1.2 second cast time for a net 1.0. Whereas Lightning Whip will be a 1.26 coefficient on a .95 second casting for a net 1.32. Not to mention LW will benefit from 10% more for being attuned to air. So if you choice is LW vs RoE always LW.

hybrid.5027:

Zelyhn Lekovitch.2867:

Yeah ring of earth is a DPS loss

Yeah now that I look at it.. ROE appears to be a 1.2 coefficient on a 1.2 second cast time for a net 1.0. Whereas Lightning Whip will be a 1.26 coefficient on a .95 second casting for a net 1.32. Not to mention LW will benefit from 10% more for being attuned to air. So if you choice is LW vs RoE always LW.

Yep, you got it right. Although the point of the fresh air rotation is that RoE would actually benefit from the 10% air training bonus, since you would make sure to swap to air during the RoE cast so that it hits in the optimal attunement instead of earth, similarly to what you would do with burning speed and comet.

I wanna include Dekeyz in a discussion me and Zelyhn are having atm. We’re both trying to compare D/F and D/D in a dungeon setting. This rotation uses 66200 with V-VI-XI/VI-X-XII/VI.
The number of LW could be a bit off, we want each Fire → Fire rotation to be 15s.

D/D Rotation
Cast when off CD: RtL, Arcane Brilliance, Arcane Wave

1. Fire – Burning Speed – Ring of Fire – Fire Grab – Air – x4 LW – Water – Frozen Burst – Earth – Earthquake – x9 LW – Fire
   Repeat following x2:
2. Fire – Ring of Fire – Burning Speed – Air – x4 LW – Water – Frozen Burst – Air – x4 LW – Earth – Air -x8 LW – Fire

why LH is not included in d/f rotations?

Why would you use LH with D/F outside of niche situations?

By using it you increase your stats, so I thought the dps should be better…

If you were going to use LH then you would use the weapon that gives the most preloaded might stacking. D/F excels at sustained high dps with sustained might stacking but it has less blasts than S/F.

So with a good party where people helps blasting firefields…LH.should be included on the rotations, no?

With a good party you’d be on staff.

Ryn.6459:

So with a good party where people helps blasting firefields…LH.should be included on the rotations, no?

Staff = top damage
S/F + LH = next in Damage and top in Might
D/F = best utility.

What you give up when going with LH is access to your 20 different weapon skills. So by using LH with D/F you’re sacrificing your on demand Swirling winds or obsidian flesh. On top of that, why woulnd’t you use Scepter which has a higher damage and provides more might?

Basically you’re losing out on utility and potential damage if you were to run D/F + LH.

If you expect the fight to last long enough for you to run out of LH then you could take a dagger mainhand for a better auto attack on the LH build. However that means no fresh air and no D/F rotation. If you use LH with the D/F build you miss out on damage modifiers like piercing shards so you end up with a weak LH auto attack in comparison to a LH tailored build.

I see. I asked cause pugs tend to steal my LH when in Scepter/x.

Ryn.6459:

I see. I asked cause pugs tend to steal my LH when in Scepter/x.

That’s why I take D/F and Staff and basically never touch my scepter except to stack might before a fight. Nothing is as annoying as a stolen LH. If it happens though just swap to D/F and Drop LH for A.Wave, IB, or GOS whichever you dropped to take it. A well done D/F rotation can still maintain 15+ stacks of might, not quite the possible 21 of Scepter+LH, but blame whoever’s stealing your LH for that

Jerus.4350:

Ryn.6459:

I see. I asked cause pugs tend to steal my LH when in Scepter/x.

That’s why I take D/F and Staff and basically never touch my scepter except to stack might before a fight. Nothing is as annoying as a stolen LH. If it happens though just swap to D/F and Drop LH for A.Wave, IB, or GOS whichever you dropped to take it. A well done D/F rotation can still maintain 15+ stacks of might, not quite the possible 21 of Scepter+LH, but blame whoever’s stealing your LH for that

They locked the other thread. Wonder if Windy will come on over here to continue the conversation.

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

Jerus.4350:

Ryn.6459:

I see. I asked cause pugs tend to steal my LH when in Scepter/x.

That’s why I take D/F and Staff and basically never touch my scepter except to stack might before a fight. Nothing is as annoying as a stolen LH. If it happens though just swap to D/F and Drop LH for A.Wave, IB, or GOS whichever you dropped to take it. A well done D/F rotation can still maintain 15+ stacks of might, not quite the possible 21 of Scepter+LH, but blame whoever’s stealing your LH for that

They locked the other thread. Wonder if Windy will come on over here to continue the conversation.

No clue, but like I said there, I can’t help but feel that he’s more intelligent than he is letting on and that he’s purposefully avoiding any point that doesn’t agree with him and instead looking for anything else to grasp on and change the subject. I’m sure there’s some latin name for that, but I hate those things, all they do is make me use wikipedia because I never remember which is which