Guild Wars 2

Please don’t move this post to suggestions, as I feel this belong in the dugeons thread. If you do so anyway, ah well. Then most people that I want to see feedback from will probably not read this. I never read the suggestions forum and neither do any of the people on my friends list. So please keep this in the dungeon forum.

You may feel that the post belongs here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Merged-Your-opinions-of-the-LFG-tool

I think the thread is too bloated and un-specific and is not specific to dungeoneers, especially speed runners.

== PROBLEMS
The worst problem is that anybody can merge with your party, and in effect become the leader of your party. So, if you have spend time on finding the swamp in fractals, and are looking for 4 warriors, some ranger merges with your team, and when you kick him, then YOU get kicked out of the dungeon that you created. What a joke.

I wont re-iterate more problems with the lfg for dungeons. Some of them are already discussed. Here are some threads:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/In-game-LFG-needs-fixes-features

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/LFG-low-lv-toons-and-rewards

Instead, I will move on to suggest how the LFG should work, in order to cause less grief to the people using lfg. Let the noobs play with noobs, let the elitists that want to teach noobs how to play mix, let the elitists that want to play with elitists do so.

Here are some suggestions.

==SUGGESTIONS

0) Make it possible to deny others to merge with your party. People can join, but not merge.

1) Make it possible to deny people with less than X achievement points to join your party.

2) Make it possible to deny people to join your party, if they are not level 80.

3) Make it possible to deny people (to join your party) that have not run the path at least X times. Fx 50 times. This is VERY important.

4) Make it possible to specify that it is a speed run. This is connected to point 3 above. You need both, because even if you specify that it is a speed run, people will join, that don’t know what to do OR they think they know what to do, but they don’t.

5) Make it possible to deny certain classes to join your party. If you are looking for 4 warriors, you only delay and irritate the people involved when a ranger joins.

6) When you see an LFG, before you join it, make it possible (on mouse hoover) to see how many times the party member have done the path, what level he is and how many achievement points he has. Currently you have to join the party in order to see his level and AP (and then maybe leave the party). And you have no way of knowing the level of experience he/they has/have with the path in question.

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I hope the readers of the forum have more suggestions as to how to improve the in-game lfg tool, so it actually becomes useful. If you want to discuss elitism vs noobs, run a dungeon slowly or fast, kill all mobs or skip, then this is not the thread for you.

Alright, just to start, I understand where you’re coming from, but you’re asking for a kittenstorm. I did read the last sentence, yes, but people are still going to turn this into a casual vs elitist cesspool.

One of my favorite, and a lot of peoples favorite thing in this game is the fact that you can competently clear a dungeon with any class setup. You don’t have to wait in queue for 30 minutes for a tank or a healer. You can just join a pug group and blow through the dungeon with whatever the hell you want. Adding an option to deny certain classes from joining your group would ruin that. Adding an option to block people who don’t have a certain amount of achievement points would ruin that. If you want a certain class setup, just say in the description “need 2 warriors and an ele for a speedrun.” If you were a ranger and you were looking for a group for a quick CoF and you found that every available group has blocked rangers from their party, that would suck, wouldn’t it?

I do agree with your point about getting kicked out of the dungeon you created. That’s bull.

Jon.3752

What I don’t understand is why you want me to spend 2 hours joining parties that I have to leave, instead of enabling me to make the right party via the lfg, and spending 1 hour.

You want to play with whatever class, I don’t. And I certainly don’t want to discuss why.

Play how you want.

Refusing people with low AP is beyond ridiculous , I know a dude with 900 AP he Solo’ed lupi in front of me , what I can’t stand is people with 10k AP that still believe clerics is the way to go . New players can listen and learn but the play how I Want scrubs will never learn .

And yes as the other dude said the class dosent matters at all . I would only like to refuse the merge party that’s it . Btw if you still believe 5 warriors is the perfect party you need to L2P .

And the majority of people won’t have an optimized dungeon build\gear because it’s their daily and it’s probably their wvw roaming\zerging setup . Most of people in this game are either Living world casuals or PvPers . You will wait so long for your zerk warriors with 10k AP and 10000 paths completed. I always PuG and never had a problem , sure you won’t get a zerker speed run but it’s better than waiting , as long they don"t die , I don’t care .

Hi all this tool get my nerves many times the annoying part of it is:
players are able to join without approvement from the group owener.

Problems with this – most of all players dont even read the LFG descriptions making harder for what we are looking.

2nd problem they join party and right away leave and when this happen at the 5th element our lfg dissapear and we have to put it up again, it gets my nerves too much time wasted to make a specific party.

Suggestions to avoid all of this.

Make the group owner able to select the players from a list of players interested to run specific dungeons.

Make a way of clicking on their names to check all their gear and traits so we can be sure of what we are picking up to our partys.

When you are looking for a group with specific gear and traits make a way of adding a waiting list with all specifications .

So regular runs and speedruns can be supported like the group owners expect.

Adding here an interesting note about the lower AP players which i can defend if they checked first their gear and build these players will not get a kick for sure.

Real example on my guild new players with AP below 2K are already full Ascended Zerkers so dont judge by AP´s i also have seen players with 10K AP playing like a noobs so all my suggestions could end all of this AP selecting players by first sight!

You realize that the more checks and manual interactions you put into the LFG tool, the more indistinguishable it will become from simple spamming map chat with LFG messages, yes?

Even in its current form I don’t understand anymore what the LFG tool actually wants to achieve…

There are a lot people here that in my view are just trolling the thread, writing nonsense. So I uploaded a little suggestion to show how the interface for the in-game lfg can be modeled:

https://googledrive.com/host/0B46_hIdVkMLQVUdiZWlSdWs4ZE0/lfgtest.html

Note that the link is plain html (no plugins or scripting required to view it). And note that the event selection on the prototype was stolen from gw2lfg.com

As usual, the same people (that I don’t want in my party), will write in this thread that this is stupid, that they wont be able to use it, that it is worse than asking in map chat, that now everybody will limit their lfg searches so they cant join with their ranger, that they should be able to join your party weather you want them to or not, etc. They will ignore that the suggestion works just the same as the current lfg, but with the added option to refine your search.

The reason I want the in-game lfg-tool to work like this, is to get party members that fulfill the prerequisite for the party I want to be in.

It doesn’t matter that you think that AP is stupid to filter on. In this thread, what matters, is that you outline problems with the current in-game lfg tool, and that you suggest ADDITIONAL stuff to filter on. This was specified in the original post, and almost every poster to this thread ignores it.

EDIT: Note that the example has swapped the min/max for specifying the level of toons that can join. This is a mistake.

There should also be an option to ‘disallow people to kick the instance owner’. This is especially important for people that sell dungeon paths.

I get the frustration, but seriously, you are asking Anet to add 10 different filters so you can party up with the kind of people you want because you are unable to socialize and join a guild/group of regular like-minded dungeon runners.

AP is never a good judge because you get more AP spamming Living Story and dailies then you actually do from dungeons. I’m neutral about most of your points but your idea of AP being used to judge a player is something I cant agree with.

Three would be enough, at least for me.
1) Let anyone who wants to join rewrite the lfg before he can join, in order to make sure he knows what he’s joining.
2) Decline option.
3) Gear, weapon, traits (, food) check.

Although you would still let people with the right build in if they have no experience, through 1) you will filter out most IQ < 70’ers anyway.

The Kape.3672:

Hi all this tool get my nerves many times the annoying part of it is:
players are able to join without approvement from the group owener.

Problems with this – most of all players dont even read the LFG descriptions making harder for what we are looking.

2nd problem they join party and right away leave and when this happen at the 5th element our lfg dissapear and we have to put it up again, it gets my nerves too much time wasted to make a specific party.

Suggestions to avoid all of this.

Make the group owner able to select the players from a list of players interested to run specific dungeons.

Make a way of clicking on their names to check all their gear and traits so we can be sure of what we are picking up to our partys.

When you are looking for a group with specific gear and traits make a way of adding a waiting list with all specifications .

So regular runs and speedruns can be supported like the group owners expect.

Adding here an interesting note about the lower AP players which i can defend if they checked first their gear and build these players will not get a kick for sure.

Real example on my guild new players with AP below 2K are already full Ascended Zerkers so dont judge by AP´s i also have seen players with 10K AP playing like a noobs so all my suggestions could end all of this AP selecting players by first sight!

I forgot to specify dosent matter what class you are it just applies for all, simple as AP dosent matter if you have the right setup we are looking for.

The Kape.3672:

I forgot to specify dosent matter what class you are it just applies for all, simple as AP dosent matter if you have the right setup we are looking for.

I never recruit on AP, nor do I run dungeons and sell the paths. But other people use these parameters, which is why I included them. Most of the people here, are simply just trolling, or they have no ability to think about others than themselves.

I am in a dungeon guild, so I can manage without the lfg, but when I/we use it, I would like to be able to filter who joins and who doesn’t.

At the moment, fx, you have to join fotm 48 in order to get a party that most of the time know what they are doing. So when running fotm, you have a chance of filtering (fx lower level fotm with pugs takes longer, and you die more, than when doing 48).

I know that you may disagree about what stuff to include, but just because you don’t use it, or deem it useless, does not mean that other people have the same oppinion. Also! If anet does not implement the other filters (as is the case with the current system), the most general method of filtering players IS by AP. And just because you met some with <2k AP that know what to do (I never met them), doesn’t make it useless. On average, people with <2k AP have no clue at all. I also met Mesmer with 14k AP in cof p1 the other day, and he had no clue. But in general, people with 6k+ AP know more than people with less AP. People saying this is not true, and that filtering on AP has no value at all, are exactly the poeple I do not want to run dungeons with. They are the people that cant teamplay, dont have a clue, dont reply when asked to equip a banner, etc, etc, etc.

Enabling filters in lfg, does not disable people to create random teams, that wipes 5+ times in any dungeon path, and spend hours doing a single path. They are welcome to create those parties. But why should the ones that wants to avoid these people, not have a small chance to be able to do so?

If anet implements the AP filter, then you are welcome not to use it. But denying other people from using it? That’s foolish and selfish.

Na denying people on AP is not smart at all. You realise that most of the 10k AP + are casual living story farmers right ? There’s no way for somebody like me to achieve high AP because I only do tPvP and dungeons . You need to farm the living story to have a significant amount of AP or do the jumping puzzles and crap like that . I think if the person uses berserker gear the run is already going to be better than some random 10k AP cleric.warrior .

I think there shoud be only a stat chec . Some peoole surely don’t use full berserker , they mix some stuff with . There should be a chek for 3k att power
and 80+ crit dmg . You are at least sure the person is not in cleric.

sorenrye.7238:

The Kape.3672:

I forgot to specify dosent matter what class you are it just applies for all, simple as AP dosent matter if you have the right setup we are looking for.

I never recruit on AP, nor do I run dungeons and sell the paths. But other people use these parameters, which is why I included them. Most of the people here, are simply just trolling, or they have no ability to think about others than themselves.

I am in a dungeon guild, so I can manage without the lfg, but when I/we use it, I would like to be able to filter who joins and who doesn’t.

with the current system), the most general method of filtering players IS by AP. And just because you met some with <2k AP that know what to do (I never met them), doesn’t make it useless. On average, people with <2k AP have no clue at all. I also met Mesmer with 14k AP in cof p1 the other day, and he had no clue. But in general, people with 6k+ AP know more than people with less AP. People saying this is not true, and that filtering on AP has no value at all, are exactly the poeple I do not want to run dungeons with. They are the people that cant teamplay, dont have a clue, dont reply when asked to equip a banner, etc, etc, etc.

If anet implements the AP filter, then you are welcome not to use it. But denying other people from using it? That’s foolish and selfish.

Other peoples parameter are wrong you also said got a 14kAP clueless… the problem starts with specific gear and build cause experience will come up with a few practice runs if they have what we are looking for.

My guild also has a setup to only acept players wiling to build specific gear and builds to be usefull for all. we only aim for PVE speedrun dungeons all kind of pve world content including all guild missions.

From the point of a new player join our guild we have a system to help them to reach 80 and get the right gear asap wich is fast to get. so when they get 1.5AP they are already well geared and with the builds so we are very diferent from other guilds cause of this we have a guild system to make them rdy asap so they can start participate on ours speedrun tours (26paths per weekends atm)

We also need to pug when we dont have enough players online to run, so i totaly agree with the owner of the group must be able to deny who joins and we need a way to see what kind of player are on the list to pick up.

anet pls do it something about lfg tool allow the “party maker” to set some filter, like i need 2 war with 5kap+ for example and if u dont have the stats i ask u cant join me, or i make a lfg that doesent allow to merge parties etc etc.. lfg tool is awesome idea but need something more ty

Just took us eleven guys joining until we found the first who read the lfg.

Anicetus.1253:

Just took us eleven guys joining until we found the first who read the lfg.

Just put “looking for necro” and see how fast that baby fills up.

@a t s e.9614

I know where you are coming from. Here is what you want: You want people that want to filter on AP, to wait for someone to join, realize he doesn’t have the AP, then kick him, then wait for another one to join, then kick, etc. Just like it is now. The people that wants to filter on AP should not be able to do so. I think you are trolling.

Hes not trolling they think AP its equal to elitist skillfull player and thats very wrong.
Im going to keep defending what its fair AP dosent mean anything what makes a difference its gear and build.

I am not saying AP makes a difference, fcs, read the post above:

IF SOMEONE WANTS TO FILTER ON AP, LET THEM. WHO CARES.

Also, the stupid claims that someone makes about ‘Then everybody will filter on it’; they are saying that the lfgs that currently look like ‘lf3m all welcome, no elitists’ will filter on AP.

The point is: If people want to filter ON ANYTHING, they are stuck with waiting for poeple to join, then someone they dont want joins, then they kick, etc, rinse and repeat. Should we do something about that? And what can we do? What filters can people use?

The thread, as I wrote in the first post, is not about arguing if a filter is meaningful to you as a person. If a dungeon should be fast or slow, if your ranger can join or not (they can join another group … lol).

But all most people want, are stupid arguments that lead nowhere and obfuscates the subject matter. They reply to the thread and ignore the OP. Just like the ones that join a party with their ranger, when the party explicitly states ‘LF zerker warriors’. That is the definition of trolling/stupidity/ignorance.

You must chill cus you are upset can tell by your typing on my last post do you even understand who i was refering too? cus seems you take everything to yourself.
you also dont need to explain what is happening cus everyone knows whats the problem just give your suggestions and stop flaming taking this too serious ….

I agree with this guy (a t s e.9614) hes a good model of low AP cause hes not the kind of player to play by anet rules to get all PVE achievements hes more into PVP but he likes to run dungeons and he seem to know what kind of gear have to use so this is the attitude im looking after on this topic.

I think that soreneye is a fail elitist . A normal elitist would just ask a certain class and a certain gear. The " must run the path at least 50 times to join"
You realise that some people have a life right ? The are some dungeons like TA that I hate with passion and I still know to do it properly .

How is the living story by the way ? You have 10k AP you must like scarlet and other zerg fest like that .

And you must fail at reading comprehension pretty hard.

don’t look at antigw’s post history, it’s pretty carcinogenic

So, let me get this straight, i just want to check if i read wrong and don’t want to troll you.

Are you asking to have a tool that makes you, and other like-minded, be able to exploit dungeon contents (which ANet and ncsoft spent lot of time to do and test and try to un-exploit) faster?

Of course you say “you are not force to use those filters”, but how many people, even if not elitists, will not use that once they can?

It’s an MMO, that means you will find random people unless you form a group by yourself, and that’s the only way you can do your “I WANT IT THAT WAY” run.

sorenrye.7238
You seriously need to grow up to sending me 2 whispers at 3.30AM saying " nice to be able to pre block you" “wouldnt be able to do that if you hadnt trolled”

Your the only troll here

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You stay on topic as usual

First post:

If you want to discuss elitism vs noobs, run a dungeon slowly or fast, kill all mobs or skip, then this is not the thread for you.

Later post:

It doesn’t matter that you think that AP is stupid to filter on. In this thread, what matters, is that you outline problems with the current in-game lfg tool, and that you suggest ADDITIONAL stuff to filter on.

Later post:

I know that you may disagree about what stuff to include, but just because you don’t use it, or deem it useless, does not mean that other people have the same oppinion.

Later post:

IF SOMEONE WANTS TO FILTER ON AP, LET THEM. WHO CARES.

Yeah… I don’t see the problem with having the choice to use filters or not. Just like I don’t care if a guy 1000 miles away from me smokes a cigarette or not. It doesn’t hurt me, not even remotely, so why should I care? To the same point, if OP wants to find a very specific party, why not? I don’t understand how it hurts anyone else… if anything it stops a lot of kitten from people who will cry/whine on the forums that they keep getting kicked from parties because they are rolling a lvl 50 lb brown bear ranger.

Fx:

1) Create lfg (description shows in the listing)
2) Someone joins that ignores the requirements in the description, I add him to my blocklist and I kick him.
3) I recreate the lfg, and enter the description, but when I submit the LFG, the description doesn’t show in the listing. I re-try to submit a new party description a couple of times, but the listing stays blank/empty.
4) I have to shut down guild wars and restart to make the LFG accept my description and show it in the listing.

If we had an option to filter, this wouldn’t had happened.

And here is another problem:

1) I create an lfg
2) Someone joins the party and leaves

Now the lfg is removed and I have to recreate the lfg and type in the description again.

^ After re enlisting your LFG 2 or 3 times, you are muted for excessive messaging and cannot add any description to further LFGs. Another flaw of this flawed feature.