As i was saying in another thread i think we have an issue.
I won t discuss wich are the causes. (be it due to pug perception of dps or by some profession making everything easier)
I think LFG tool for istances 2 professions are in extremely high demand, even more than the usual mmorpg with trinity..
EX. how many fractal party do you see without a guardian? (i won t say 0 but less than 1% possibly expecially at 30+, how many coe without 2-5 warriors? etc etc)
Can something be done about it?
GW2 balance:
A PvE player is supposed to avoid a 1-2 second 1 shotting aoe.
A WWW player is considered uncapable of avoiding a 5,75 second aoe for half his health.
This is not a game issue (well partially). If i play fractal, i prefer doing it with guildmate. I know what are their skill and what i should expect from them. I did level 30+ with 2 Mesmer, 1 Guardian (me), 1 Necromancer and 1 Elementalist without any problem. But were all Guildmate and good players. I wouldn’t risk going into high fractal with this kind of pug group because these are higher risk profession. Pug like lower risk profession, profession that are easy to play. And its normal. Know want to do 3 hours of fractal for nothing because some pug are just bad. At least if the pug have an easy profession like warrior, the risk is less.
Anyway, i don’t know about your experience with the LFG tools, but i rarely see any post that specifically ask for a profession or all zerker. Its happen, and these people have a right to ask. And you have a right to go see elsewhere. These post are not the majority and you can still make your own post that will fix your need. A lot of people run other profession and they will happily join your party.
You do realise that the only reason for pugs requesting heavies is because they are the easiest classes to play and do well with. How often do you get decent eles, mesmers, necros, thieves, rangers and engis in pugs? Compare that number to bad warriors and you realise why most pug groups are so picky. You usually get bad guards but they tend to build pvt so they dont die constantly atleast.
If you play with your friend you are not using lfg nor pugging…
This is about “pugging with lfg tool”
If a profession is too easy and ye the top 3 in term of efficiency isn t it an issue?
I d bet most warriors would love a deeper and more complex gameplay without losing any dps….for example.
or am i wrong?
GW2 balance:
A PvE player is supposed to avoid a 1-2 second 1 shotting aoe.
A WWW player is considered uncapable of avoiding a 5,75 second aoe for half his health.
I don’t think the normal warrior pug wants his gameplay any more complex. Not saying they aren’t out there, but I think the majority likes how simple it is.
[ARES] And all who stood by and did nothing, who are they to criticize the sacrifices of others? Our blood has bought their lives.
If you play with your friend you are not using lfg nor pugging…
This is about “pugging with lfg tool”
Did you even read my post?…
yes i did….
And i didn t answe directly to you…..
I’d like to know if there is any chance for any innovative idea to promote profession diversity without involving “nerfs” and similar stuff.
Also i think if there was such diversity we d finally see many rangers, necro, thieves, ele, etc etc etc to stop playing their alt wars and guardians that made explicitly to pug dungeons
GW2 balance:
A PvE player is supposed to avoid a 1-2 second 1 shotting aoe.
A WWW player is considered uncapable of avoiding a 5,75 second aoe for half his health.
You would see me playing my necro all the time if necro had a decent cleave weapon. When i pug i rotate between ele, war and guard because i enjoy them the most. If i enjoyed mesmer and thief more i would pug with them aswell. Most people stick to warriors and guards because its easier than explaining you are good at the others and pug groups know that they have a much better chance of getting through the dungeon smoothly by blacklisting the other classes. Theres nothing you can do to change that. Some people will always blacklist certain classes.
I can agree with anything except the last sentence…
Something can and should be done…
There was a time when ele was autokick….
GW2 balance:
A PvE player is supposed to avoid a 1-2 second 1 shotting aoe.
A WWW player is considered uncapable of avoiding a 5,75 second aoe for half his health.
I’m afraid that the problem is simply the content difficulty. I regularly play fractal 49, 40 and other dailyes, but when I look for a party I don’t have to look for somebody that offers control, conditions or protection (playing myself a guardian). I just look for people to speed it up, and it often is me (guard), 3 warriors, and 1 ele/mesmer/4th warrior. Warriors offering good utilities and buffs (for great justice, banners, … ) and huge damage while having enough survivability to allow room for mistake makes them the obvious choice to pug with.
This could change if we would have to get harder instanced content, where strategy really matters in order to just complete it and not only to try to set speed records.
It goes into the heart of class design really. We could write essays about it but essentially guardians bring enough defense to the group that other classes can continue to run dps based builds without high levels of skill. This is particularly true of the guardian+warrior pairing. I see a lot of players that don’t even think about dodging agony attacks because they are so used to guardians providing a free block (I’m thinking about fire shaman here).
Why should anything be done about it? It’s up to each person to determine the classes they want to play with. Ignore the parties that want specific classes and make your own posts welcoming class diversity. Or find a guild that makes a point to play with multiple classes.
because pugs have to wait HOURS and get paired with beginners if they accept what you say…
This system pushes too many people to reroll war and guard…..one day we will see only war and guard (not that we are far from there already).
GW2 balance:
A PvE player is supposed to avoid a 1-2 second 1 shotting aoe.
A WWW player is considered uncapable of avoiding a 5,75 second aoe for half his health.
because pugs have to wait HOURS and get paired with beginners if they accept what you say…
This system pushes too many people to reroll war and guard…..one day we will see only war and guard (not that we are far from there already).
Was this in response to what I said? Because that’s simply not true. I make multiple lfg posts for different dungeon and fractal levels all the time, I never ask for certain classes and I fill groups quickly (within seconds or at the worst, one or two minutes for lesser run paths), with knowledgeable players the vast majority of the time. Also there’s nothing wrong with beginners to a dungeon… i was one once, so were you. do the community a favour and help a newbie out once in a while.
Guardians and Warriors are OP in Fractals. They also compliment each other very well. Other classes bring utility but it doesn’t match this combo. Everyone knows it.
