Guild Wars 2

So i’m on my third character that i decided to level. I’m great at anything PvE. i’m currently level 70. i get into a group for CM exp mode (level 45, mind you).. and then get kicked out for not wanting to switch to my “main.”

Did i miss anything? Are people not supposed to do these dungeons at all without being level 80 and geared to the core, even if the dungeon is low leveled and you’re quite capable of handling everything it throws at you? I mean, i just finished with SE paths 2 and 3 with friends that are all level 80 and fully geared, and they died more than me.

I dunno….. should i be reporting kittens like that?

People want level 80 chars with full exotic gear to do dungeons faster. When doing some dungeon path a lot for tokens people want it to be done ASAP. Reporting such people is rather pointless since people are free to chose who they take into party and no one has the right to force them to take characters lower than 80.

Yeah you should totally report and take them to court for discrimination because they prefer an 80 which would make the run faster.

And got to love that I sometimes survive longer than 80s part that is almost obligatory in posts like this.

Just ask them before the run starts if it would be ok with everyone if you switch to your 80 at the last boss…..

I fully support you in your desire to use whatever level you like. Just make your own group in the future.

Really Anet should just put the tokens in a bucket out front of the dungeon. Save everyone the hassle of having to go inside and actually experience the content.

Well, you can’t report people for wanting level 80s in the group. No.

Seeing this is your third alt, I’m guessing you made this post to just vent about getting kicked. If you run dungeons often enough on your alts, you should know better than anyone that kicking alts is not a common practice.

Anyways, I’ve run into one like that few days ago trying to run AC exp with my Guardian alt – just some guy complaining incessantly about my refusal to bring in my main and ended up leaving after a wipe. Most people I’ve seen really don’t care which character you’re on, and they will also freely switch out between their alts and mains.

If people want to do a dungeon “faster,” they should mention its a speed run. and if they want all level 80 chars decked out with exotic gear, they should say that before entering the dungeon and wasting time.

i’m just saying this is happening a lot. people can’t do any dungeon with any experienced party members without having to be level 80. it really doesn’t matter if you’re fully geared or not, as long as you’re above the level requirement.

It’s a group’s prerogative to decide who they allow into their group and so long as they’re not exploiting that prerogative (eg. taking a pug and kicking just before the last boss to invite a guildie), you can’t and shouldn’t report them. Some people just get stuck in the mindset that “hardmode” dungeons are only for geared level 80s. Many players have come from WoW where there was normal mode and heroic mode. Normal was for anyone so long as they met the level requirement. Heroic was only for 80s who met a certain gear-standard. As such, they view story as “normal” and explorable as “heroic” and won’t take people below 80.

Not all groups are like that though. It really just depends on the group. I typically don’t take my alts into dungeons simply because I enjoy leveling in the world more but I have taken friends’ alts into dungeons and while some people have left, most don’t care. I’ll take anyone who signs up so long as they aren’t dragging the group down or being nasty. I’ve even taken a few underleveled people into dungeons.
Keep trying to run the dungeons. There’s no reason for you not to if you want to. Ignore the elitist groups and keep trying for the friendly groups. They are out there!

“I’ve seen enough pugs with terrible dps to know that taking a low level alt isn’t going to slow down an AC run much compared to a 80 who’s running shout heal or dontain condition warrior. I really wish this game had a gear checker so that we could weed these people ASAP.” [/quote]

I run a warrior with healing shouts ç.ç
I almost tried to make a bleeding warrior too.

J Night.3468:

So i’m on my third character that i decided to level. I’m great at anything PvE. i’m currently level 70. i get into a group for CM exp mode (level 45, mind you).. and then get kicked out for not wanting to switch to my “main.”

Did i miss anything? Are people not supposed to do these dungeons at all without being level 80 and geared to the core, even if the dungeon is low leveled and you’re quite capable of handling everything it throws at you? I mean, i just finished with SE paths 2 and 3 with friends that are all level 80 and fully geared, and they died more than me.

I dunno….. should i be reporting kittens like that?

These threads come up at least every week. There are some who will only take 80s/fully geared people into the run because technically, it can make it easier. There’s nothing wrong with it (besides your/mine/other people’s personal problem with it). It’s not something that can be banned or reported. Just find yourself a group not looking for such a cookie cutter group and move on.

Nikaido.3457:

I really wish this game had a gear checker so that we could weed these people ASAP.

You can ask people to ping their gear. And if a person is close you can see what weapons does he use. “Sword and board” warrior is usually the type you don’t want to have in your party.

They probably didn’t boot you to shave a few seconds off the time of the dungeons. I mean that’s silly. Most likely they aren’t very good and need to be carried. If they’re afraid of being the reason for wipes, I can see how their fear would motivate them to try to find the best crutch players they can.

Nikaido.3457:

The sword main hand makes it very obvious, but for the more classic but bad dps greatsword wielding baddy there are a lot of magic find trolls who have the same set of armor in zerk and MF in their inv, and I’d really want a gear+build checker anyway to get the job done before we even enter the instance. It would be much faster to set up a decent group.

I actually know one person who does that.

Nikaido.3457, it sound like the type that I carry all the time. You’re right that I’m proud to be a tank warrior. I probably cut more time off runs by keeping the party living than most glass warriors do with high damage.

Nikaido.3457:

Punk Rogue.9856:

Nikaido.3457, it sound like the type that I carry all the time.

You don’t cut times from our runs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpp0AZQjRtE

We would be cutting times from yours.

Be proud of being one of these who actually make runs more dangerous. If there is any class that has no business wearing tanky gear in this game, it’s warrior.
If you fancy yourself being some sort of anchor go ahead and take the guardian, at least people expect guardian to have bad DPS. No one has ever recruited a war in a group for his holy tankiness.

I don’t want to agree with this, but I think it is more true then not, and I think that is bad for the game.

Hahaha! That actually made me chuckle. I have never been kicked from a party. In fact after many runs I’ve gotten guild invites. I’d be happy to get kicked though if the party consisted of members that shared this view. It’s a very Final Fantasy Online way of thinking. Where one piece of armor isn’t the specific desired type so the person was kicked. At least in FFO it was justified.

Here, there are plenty of ways to run dungeons successfully and if you plan on pugging it like I do, I recommend Vit and Tough. Being downed with glass armor can take longer to regroup than steadily pounding through enemies.

Punk Rogue.9856:

Nikaido.3457, it sound like the type that I carry all the time. You’re right that I’m proud to be a tank warrior. I probably cut more time off runs by keeping the party living than most glass warriors do with high damage.

Ah, tank warrior. He keeps the party living. With FGJ heals, I’m guessing.

Wow, so narrow minded. I don’t do much in the ways of healing other than banner of tactics which only mitigates some of the damage coming in, not sure where you got that idea that I was a healer.

My primary focus is to take hits and keep a mob or boss on me. Damage prevention to the team. Also the limited movement when I have a mob locked down helps when others are using ground target channel abilities. When someone goes down I can revive them while taking meaty hits and often times still holding aggro. I can block and reflect shots back at a boss with my shield and a trait. It sounds like you’re not aware that you can stand in front of another player and take a projectile that was meant for them.

Then there’s Rampage. The multiple abilities to knock down and the health gain is great to take big hits and stun lock creatures so the team can dismantle them. All in all, this has proven to be a good build. With the authority that you speak on the subject I’m sure you’ve tried this set up at least once so you would be knowledgeable on the subject. Given your response, perhaps you just weren’t good at it.

Or you could up your DPS by about 300% (note: being very generous in assuming about 2K from you in a party situation) by playing a warrior to their strengths and help the group that way. The quicker enemies die, the less chance of someone in your group making a mistake that downs them and costs group damage output. Trust us man, if you want to support the team, just roll a guardian, you’ll be about 10 times better and more useful than you are on your awful warrior build.

The only reason you don’t realize how suboptimal it is is because the general player base in the game is also awful. I’d love to see a video of you and what you consider a great group doing something even middling-easy like CoE or TA, assuming you have the hard drive space to record those runs.

Punk Rogue.9856:

Wow, so narrow minded.

You just described roughly 85% of the current GW2 playerbase.

If you are so good at lvl70 already, just imagine how good you’ll be when you are lvl80, full exotic, max traited, and more experienced.

I’ll wait for you to be lvl80 and group with you…

(ok that sound sarcastic, but you get the idea, the I’m low level but best player in the world won’t get you that far)

By the law of chance, I’m usually better of picking a lvl80 person with high achievement point. They are usually better, not always better, but have a higher chance of being better.

I can honestly say by grouping with a few of them, that a group consist of low level people, with no achievement point usually don’t do so well. At least in comparison to other group.

Llyren.3904:

I don’t want to agree with this, but I think it is more true then not, and I think that is bad for the game.

Yeah this is my concern with PvE too, the fact that berserker builds outshine everything else so much that more and more they are becoming the sole builds used. Hopefully Anet finds a way to rebalance this without nerfing the berserker stats but that may end up being the only real solution to stopping the game from becoming everyone only running berserker gear. Not that I blame anyone for wanting to set themselves up this way, its a flaw in the game more than players abusing anything.

This thread seems to have several different conversations going on and some of them have nothing to do with the original topic. The thread started as a discussion as to why people seem so intent on kicking anyone under 80 for any dungeon whatsoever, went into speedrunning dungeons over just doing them, and now it has broken down into setups needed for the highest level of fractals as if that has anything to do with level requirements for dungeons.

Some people want to just get their tokens as fast as possible and could care less about the dungeon, which is fine. The problem comes in when comments such as “you have to be 80” get dropped in regarding a comment about simply doing the dungeon, which is false. If you’re trying to do the dungeon as fast as possible then that is true, but not simply just to do the dungeon. Two entirely different conversations.

Now we have some of the people who focus on the highest end of the dungeon content treating that level of play and the build set up required for it as if it is the baseline for gameplay and anything under it is bad. Maybe to some people you’re either performing at the top level or you’re bad at the game, but to the vast majority of players there’s actually a continuum here and only a small amount is bad, a small amount is great, the rest is simply average. For the average player someone set up as control or support isn’t bad unless they have no idea how to play it, the group just isn’t going to perform at the other end of the spectrum where bosses die in 30 seconds because a flaw in the game mechanics allows certain class combinations to go pure damage and burn everything down so fast it nullifies the drawbacks of having little to no defense. Aside from the highest levels of fractals that type of gameplay isn’t necessary. Does it make it easier? Why yes, yes it does. I also completely understand that there are people who want to run everything they do in a given day in as little time as possible, but while that may be the only way to play to you it isn’t the only way to play in a general sense. Play a warrior as control if you want to, if you’re doing it right the trash mobs and the bosses will mostly focus on you giving the more damage oriented people an easier time to take them down. Could the run be faster a different way? Yes. Does that mean you’re going to fail the run if you don’t? No, it doesn’t. The only way a group composition is bad is if they can’t complete the path, which I hear does frequently happen with PUGs. But that is overwhelmingly a result of poor communication and a lack of boss knowledge, or some people only knowing how to glitch a boss and half their party wants to actually do the fight as intended.

Casmurro.9046:

I run a warrior with healing shouts ç.ç
I almost tried to make a bleeding warrior too.

I have a bleed warrior. We do hell of a lot of damage with conditions :/
Really though I don’t mind people not taking me into groups because I’m not specked the way that they want me to be specked, because there’s still plenty of people that will run with me

My bleeding ticks for up to 19k.

Nikaido.3457:

Mirta.5029:

I have a bleed warrior. We do hell of a lot of damage with conditions :/

See this is what I really can’t stand in this community. If you want to play a bleed warrior for the sake of being a unique snowflake, fine, but don’t spread lies and convince other poor souls that this thing could ever be anything close to “hell of a lot of damage” because it just plainly isn’t true and a lot of players who aren’t necessarily savvy about builds just fall for these lies and regret their terrible build once they realize the difference there is between something decent and this.
Even if conditions were equal to raw power based damage (and they are not), warrior would still be the worst class for conditions. Others are far more efficient at spreading them around and having more than one main condition for damage, like necromancers who have bleed, poison and epidemic to spread those around.

What you’re calling “hell of a lot of damage” is so pathetic that you’re not doing much more damage than a tank warrior in full knight set. You’re just good at making necromancers cry if they join your party.

I wouldn’t call Rampager pathetic on damage – you have as much pure damage as a knight, plus full condition damage. You end up with 19K bleeds on top of raw damage.

Mirta.5029:

I wouldn’t call Rampager pathetic on damage – you have as much pure damage as a knight, plus full condition damage. You end up with 19K bleeds on top of raw damage.

You can do 19k bleeds with wayfarer.

haviz.1340:

Mirta.5029:

I wouldn’t call Rampager pathetic on damage – you have as much pure damage as a knight, plus full condition damage. You end up with 19K bleeds on top of raw damage.

You can do 19k bleeds with wayfarer.

throwing an entire zone on some1’s head only does 19k bleeds? kitten those dredge musta tunneled it a ton…

haviz.1340:

Mirta.5029:

I wouldn’t call Rampager pathetic on damage – you have as much pure damage as a knight, plus full condition damage. You end up with 19K bleeds on top of raw damage.

You can do 19k bleeds with wayfarer.

please record some footage of you doing 19K bleeds in magic find, toughness and vitality gear -_-

Mirta.5029:

haviz.1340:

Mirta.5029:

I wouldn’t call Rampager pathetic on damage – you have as much pure damage as a knight, plus full condition damage. You end up with 19K bleeds on top of raw damage.

You can do 19k bleeds with wayfarer.

please record some footage of you doing 19K bleeds in magic find, toughness and vitality gear -_-

Then how are you “bleed warrior” in magic find, toughness and vitality gear?? o.O

Sovta.4719:

Mirta.5029:

haviz.1340:

Mirta.5029:

I wouldn’t call Rampager pathetic on damage – you have as much pure damage as a knight, plus full condition damage. You end up with 19K bleeds on top of raw damage.

You can do 19k bleeds with wayfarer.

please record some footage of you doing 19K bleeds in magic find, toughness and vitality gear -_-

Then how are you “bleed warrior” in magic find, toughness and vitality gear?? o.O

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rampagers_Spineguard_of_the_Rampager Rampager’s stats
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Wayfarer's_Ring Wayfarer’s stats.
I stated that I use rampager, someone else said that they can pull the same thing off in wayfarer. I’m asking for proof.

Mirta.5029:

please record some footage of you doing 19K bleeds in magic find, toughness and vitality gear -_-

You must have completely misunderstood me and Dub since you demand a video of that.

haviz.1340:

Mirta.5029:

please record some footage of you doing 19K bleeds in magic find, toughness and vitality gear -_-

You must have completely misunderstood me and Dub since you demand a video of that.

no, I’m serious. If you make a statement that you can do 20K bleeds with no condition damage, please, do prove it.
Greatsword + sword/sword + rampager + bleed duration = add a 20K bleed (it’s continuous damage so you don’t have to re-apply it for quite a while), swap, do 100 blades, etc. Easily 40 to 50K in damage.
Now why is that kind of build inferior to straight damage again?

Mirta.5029:

haviz.1340:

Mirta.5029:

please record some footage of you doing 19K bleeds in magic find, toughness and vitality gear -_-

You must have completely misunderstood me and Dub since you demand a video of that.

no, I’m serious. If you make a statement that you can do 20K bleeds with no condition damage, please, do prove it.
Greatsword + sword/sword + rampager + bleed duration = add a 20K bleed (it’s continuous damage so you don’t have to re-apply it for quite a while), swap, do 100 blades, etc. Easily 40 to 50K in damage.
Now why is that kind of build inferior to straight damage again?

Cause if you get another class that is on condition bleed build you both can’t put max DPS cause of bleed stack.

Sovta.4719:

Mirta.5029:

haviz.1340:

Mirta.5029:

please record some footage of you doing 19K bleeds in magic find, toughness and vitality gear -_-

You must have completely misunderstood me and Dub since you demand a video of that.

no, I’m serious. If you make a statement that you can do 20K bleeds with no condition damage, please, do prove it.
Greatsword + sword/sword + rampager + bleed duration = add a 20K bleed (it’s continuous damage so you don’t have to re-apply it for quite a while), swap, do 100 blades, etc. Easily 40 to 50K in damage.
Now why is that kind of build inferior to straight damage again?

Cause if you get another class that is on condition bleed build you both can’t put max DPS cause of bleed stack.

and 100b itself is 40k dmg in a straight damage build

Sovta.4719:

Cause if you get another class that is on condition bleed build you both can’t put max DPS cause of bleed stack.

but isn’t that a problem of the amount of people with condi builds that you have in your group rather than the individuals with the condi build?
This game is all about build variety. Taking condi/power warrior and setting him against power warrior both do about equal damage, meaning that ridiculing the build is a bit unfair.
Other than that I do agree on your point. It has been argued on the forums a lot of the times that condition cap should be increased when you have two people in condition builds on your team.

Mirta.5029:

Sovta.4719:

Cause if you get another class that is on condition bleed build you both can’t put max DPS cause of bleed stack.

This game is all about build variety.

No it isn’t. It would be if they could fix CC mechanics and buff some support stats/abilities like healing power. And then enemies with better AI and mechanics. But we all know that isn’t going to happen.

Sovta.4719:

No it isn’t.

having in mind that it’s one of their selling points? Yes it is.

Mirta.5029:

Sovta.4719:

No it isn’t.

having in mind that it’s one of their selling points? Yes it is.

Did you stop reading his post at that point? It’s like looking at a political attack ad. CONTEXT

Mirta.5029:

Sovta.4719:

No it isn’t.

having in mind that it’s one of their selling points? Yes it is.

Who cares about selling points? You do know in marketing you can say (almost) whatever you want and get away with it?

Sovta.4719:

Who cares about selling points? You do know in marketing you can say (almost) whatever you want and get away with it?

1. False advertisement is something one can take to court for
2. There are different ways to build your character. Even when it comes to a berserker warrior there are plenty of different ones with different trait variations.

Mirta.5029:

Sovta.4719:

Who cares about selling points? You do know in marketing you can say (almost) whatever you want and get away with it?

1. False advertisement is something one can take to court for
2. There are different ways to build your character. Even when it comes to a berserker warrior there are plenty of different ones with different trait variations.

1.You can take to court, but extremely hard to prove if you do it right.
2.It’s still DPS beast comparing to other classes, and again it will be just same defensive traits if you chose zerk gear + def traits. Just check spvp top tournament teams builds/composition (and build variety is a MUST in any pvp) All teams play with almost same class composition with very similar builds/roles.

I generally don’t care what level a person is for the dungeon, as I feel confident enough with my skill/build and at least one other choice party member that it doesn’t really matter. Hell, I’ve even had underleveled characters join explorable dungeon runs with my party, personally I looked at it as a bit of a challenge in those cases… which at times can be welcome.