Guild Wars 2

This one even has music.

OOM! and Battle Standard. I’m satisfied.

Happy mothers day.

Thanks son.

Well done & played. That feedback was amazing! 2 Mesmers ftw.

i was thinking the thief is OP in pve !!!

Cue Hrouda chiming in with his usual “wow, I’ll have our people take a look at that and make sure nothing funky is happening”

gee gee, well played. Now anet should nerf reflections ;p

Well played. You got some lucky RNG there like we did on our record that you beat (we were hoping for about what lupi did for you ). We got tired of having bad RNG so we are no longer doing sigil stacking (90% of the time we got to 3 he jumped in the air within 1-5s). Our new record is 49s without sigil stacking if your bored and want to try and beat ours without it. We would have probably tied or beaten yours if we had the 25 stacks like you did.

I’ve noticed trying to set the record that it is mostly RNG. Having a good phase 1 of around 12s, having a good phase 2 and having him do his AoE late in the phase, and having him do his AoE then targeting clones with life steal/bubbles or autoattacking at 3 is the key to the fastest possible time.

Your RNG in phase 3 was the best I’ve ever seen, and if you had sigil stacks, you may have been able to get something closer to what we got. I don’t think you’l be able to get below 45 with your current setup, though, and that would probably be pushing it a bit.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Your RNG in phase 3 was the best I’ve ever seen, and if you had sigil stacks, you may have been able to get something closer to what we got. I don’t think you’l be able to get below 45 with your current setup, though, and that would probably be pushing it a bit.

Yeah we got real lucky at 3. We didn’t get lucky at 2 though since he did the aoe right away. I agree though about our setup. I think all we can get is 43-45 with stack even. We have been debating on me swapping for warrior or mesmer.

Wow. Well played.

i wish 3 thieves and 2 rangers could do that….

which build do the mesmers play? You vid at your channel seem outdated
i saw a duellist and wonder why somebody prefer pistol instead of focus or Offsword.

Nice one TP
If anyone would be so kind as to give me any reason whatsoever why you should be taking any other class than the ones in this video (and the guardian which is always nice to have) into any dungeon.
PvE balance ftw!

Windwalker.2047:

Nice one TP
If anyone would be so kind as to give me any reason whatsoever why you should be taking any other class than the ones in this video (and the guardian which is always nice to have) into any dungeon.
PvE balance ftw!

Because some classes are more fun to play than others.

Thats personal opinion. Fact: PvE Balance is kitten.

Windwalker.2047:

Nice one TP
If anyone would be so kind as to give me any reason whatsoever why you should be taking any other class than the ones in this video (and the guardian which is always nice to have) into any dungeon.
PvE balance ftw!

It depends on your priorities for the dungeon run. If you prioritize playing your favorite non-M/W/G class higher than completing the dungeon as quickly as possible, then you should definitely take whatever class you please.

However, if you are trying to minimize your time in the dungeon, all else being equal, you shouldn’t bother with anyone other than mesmers/warriors/guardian. It’s incontrovertible fact at this point, and anyone that claims otherwise has an extremely large burden of proof. With the countless speedrun videos that exist showcasing the speed and efficiency of MWG groups, those of us that have been making the case that they’re the “Tier 1” dungeon classes have proven our point beyond the shadow of reasonable doubt.

I’d like to see Anet change the reality of this situation through balance patches in a good way, meaning buffs and not nerfs. Until then, there it is.

shiNn.2571:

which build do the mesmers play? You vid at your channel seem outdated
i saw a duellist and wonder why somebody prefer pistol instead of focus or Offsword.

It’s a completely different build than what Strife has on his channel, so I don’t want to disclose all of the details on it. That’s about all I’ll say.

shiNn.2571:

which build do the mesmers play? You vid at your channel seem outdated
i saw a duellist and wonder why somebody prefer pistol instead of focus or Offsword.

It’s something they were using specifically for this speed kill which they don’t want to disclose atm.

I’m telling you guys…

GL is great and an awesome speed kill, but you guys should run speed kills of Grawl Boss L48 FotM. I would love to see how you all properly optimize for a boss that so heavily punishes melee, and how you’d balance the need for dps against the need for multiple reflects to handle the eles.

Make it happen.

Rising Dusk.2408:

I’m telling you guys…

GL is great and an awesome speed kill, but you guys should run speed kills of Grawl Boss L48 FotM. I would love to see how you all properly optimize for a boss that so heavily punishes melee, and how you’d balance the need for dps against the need for multiple reflects to handle the eles.

Make it happen.

We all spec shout heal and use Soldier’s gear.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

We all spec shout heal and use Soldier’s gear.

Sounds fine in practice, but let’s see it in action.

Wow I could barley tell which phase was which because he was dying so fast. Also a note I saw but was not commentated on, I saw him using axe #5(Rupt), but I thought that is less DPS than just axe auto. So my guess is that he was trying to rupt a certain move so they didnt have to dodge or something? Anyone else pick up on that or can explain why he was using a non maximized DPS skill?

Edit: GZZZZZZZZZ! Awsome vid and time btw

JJBigs.8456:

Wow I could barley tell which phase was which because he was dying so fast. Also a note I saw but was not commentated on, I saw him using axe #5(Rupt), but I thought that is less DPS than just axe auto. So my guess is that he was trying to rupt a certain move so they didnt have to dodge or something? Anyone else pick up on that or can explain why he was using a non maximized DPS skill?

Edit: GZZZZZZZZZ! Awsome vid and time btw

I think you mean Mace 5, and it actually does do slightly higher damage than autoattack and it can sometimes hit twice. Unless I’ve missed it for this long and am wrong somehow, you can’t interrupt anything that Lupicus does. But hopefully that answers your question.

JJBigs.8456:

Wow I could barley tell which phase was which because he was dying so fast. Also a note I saw but was not commentated on, I saw him using axe #5(Rupt), but I thought that is less DPS than just axe auto. So my guess is that he was trying to rupt a certain move so they didnt have to dodge or something? Anyone else pick up on that or can explain why he was using a non maximized DPS skill?

Edit: GZZZZZZZZZ! Awsome vid and time btw

At range it hits once, in melee it hits twice, once from the mace and once from the shockwave, so it’s actually higher dps assuming you’re not at range.

DanH.5879:

i wish 3 thieves and 2 rangers could do that….

Bet 3 thieves and 2 mesmers could. All you need is massive melee dps and those projectile reflections.

randomfightfan.4091:

DanH.5879:

i wish 3 thieves and 2 rangers could do that….

Bet 3 thieves and 2 mesmers could. All you need is massive melee dps and those projectile reflections.

Speaking of 0 Might stacks…

randomfightfan.4091:

DanH.5879:

i wish 3 thieves and 2 rangers could do that….

Bet 3 thieves and 2 mesmers could. All you need is massive melee dps and those projectile reflections.

Are there rainbows? In this alternate reality you inhabit, I mean.

Broadicea.8294:

randomfightfan.4091:

DanH.5879:

i wish 3 thieves and 2 rangers could do that….

Bet 3 thieves and 2 mesmers could. All you need is massive melee dps and those projectile reflections.

Are there rainbows? In this alternate reality you inhabit, I mean.

Thief has very similar single target dps as warrior. Drop ambush trap and thieves guild in at the start of phase 2 and they won’t die if he does his aoe. You now have significantly higher dps than warrior. You MAY need 1 warrior just to drop discipline banner and fire field but that’s it.

Don’t hate if you don’t know what a class can do.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Speaking of 0 Might stacks…

Hey man, runes of altruism with signet of malice lets get it.

randomfightfan.4091:

Broadicea.8294:

randomfightfan.4091:

DanH.5879:

i wish 3 thieves and 2 rangers could do that….

Bet 3 thieves and 2 mesmers could. All you need is massive melee dps and those projectile reflections.

Are there rainbows? In this alternate reality you inhabit, I mean.

Thief has very similar single target dps as warrior. Drop ambush trap and thieves guild in at the start of phase 2 and they won’t die if he does his aoe. You now have significantly higher dps than warrior. You MAY need 1 warrior just to drop discipline banner and fire field but that’s it.

Don’t hate if you don’t know what a class can do.

I’m well aware of what thieves can do in laboratory settings. I guess that video of a 2 mes/3 thief speedkill will be along any minute now, right?

Aaaaany minute now…

Broadicea.8294:

randomfightfan.4091:

Broadicea.8294:

randomfightfan.4091:

DanH.5879:

i wish 3 thieves and 2 rangers could do that….

Bet 3 thieves and 2 mesmers could. All you need is massive melee dps and those projectile reflections.

Are there rainbows? In this alternate reality you inhabit, I mean.

Thief has very similar single target dps as warrior. Drop ambush trap and thieves guild in at the start of phase 2 and they won’t die if he does his aoe. You now have significantly higher dps than warrior. You MAY need 1 warrior just to drop discipline banner and fire field but that’s it.

Don’t hate if you don’t know what a class can do.

I’m well aware of what thieves can do in laboratory settings. I guess that video of a 2 mes/3 thief speedkill will be along any minute now, right?

Aaaaany minute now…

Cause all thieves are junk and should be kicked from all parties anywhere…

http://www.youtube.com/user/randomfightfan/videos?flow=grid&view=0

Look at the most recent one and watch those numbers fly at the end of the vid.

Rising Dusk.2408:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Speaking of 0 Might stacks…

Hey man, runes of altruism with signet of malice lets get it.

Waaaaaay too much loss of DPS. For each Warrior you replace, you lose a Battle Standard, a For Great Justice, and either Banner of Strength / Discipline or On My Mark. Replacing the Guardian was something that just made sense after breaking down the situation more, because the only thing it really contributed was a block for an attack that may or may not happen, a reflection with a delayed cast time, and Stability that we figured out how to bypass. You also gain more vulnerability with 2 Mesmers and obviously the second Time Warp. If there is some crazy Warrior replacement strategy we may very well figure it out, but I don’t see one from all of the angles I’ve looked at the situation from. I’ve gone into a bit more detail than what I wanted to, but hopefully that all makes sense.

I haven’t thought it all through and honestly, I was joking in my previous post, but 3 thief 2 mesmer seems plausible to me with only a marginal time loss compared to the group comp you used.

Between 3 thieves stacking 3 stacks of might in an aoe each with fury through runes of altruism and signet of inspiration, that’s 18 stacks of might maintainable on the group for the duration of the fight. If we throw those runes on the mesmers too, we can get that up to 25 stacks easily without too significant a hit to the actual thief dps, which is very impressive in its own right. If each thief is using D/D, they can time their C&D → BS to keep invulnerability up on GL pretty significantly as well (though certainly not 25 stacks at all times with just that).

Like I said, I haven’t thought it all through, but I’m convinced that group comp can do it in under 90 seconds.

randomfightfan.4091:

Cause all thieves are junk and should be kicked from all parties anywhere…

I implied nothing of the sort? You seem to be having some trouble following the conversation. DanH posted in response to the OP saying he wished 3 thieves and 2 rangers could do “that”, “that” presumably being a 46 second GL kill. You replied to Dan saying “bet 3 thieves and 2 mesmers could”. I’m telling you I’d take that bet, because you’re wrong.

Now if you’re trying to backtrack and say “well they could achieve a very fast kill”, I wouldn’t dispute that, because that’s probably true. But that’s not what you originally stated.

Rising Dusk.2408:

I haven’t thought it all through and honestly, I was joking in my previous post, but 3 thief 2 mesmer seems plausible to me with only a marginal time loss compared to the group comp you used.

Between 3 thieves stacking 3 stacks of might in an aoe each with fury through runes of altruism and signet of inspiration, that’s 18 stacks of might maintainable on the group for the duration of the fight. If we throw those runes on the mesmers too, we can get that up to 25 stacks easily without too significant a hit to the actual thief dps, which is very impressive in its own right. If each thief is using D/D, they can time their C&D -> BS to keep invulnerability up on GL pretty significantly as well (though certainly not 25 stacks at all times with just that).

Like I said, I haven’t thought it all through, but I’m convinced that group comp can do it in under 90 seconds.

Under 90 seconds would probably be possible, but not having Scholar runes or at least Ruby orbs and wasting stats on healing power for the 3 might stacks on 10 second CD is a pretty large DPS loss. It’s a pretty creative strategy, I’ll definitely give you credit for that, and even more so if you put it into practice and made a video. That would be pretty nice to see as well, and I’m sure a lot of Thieves out there would love it too. I do apologize if I’m coming off as rude, too. It’s just sort of the way that I type.

Thieves definitely have a good possibility to out dps warriors with thieves guild and later on in p2 after health pass 50%.

Thieves will be a lot weaker in p1, not as bursty and also lacks cleave with daggers. Also lacking inst cast stability that don’t interfere with normal attack in p3, 3 thieves 2 mes there are no strong group stability too, that combined with the fact that fully dps thieves will most likely will died with 2 ticks of any form of attack.

On paper it’s very interesting and may even have a chance to work, will be very hard to execute though.

Question for the expert thieves: How does thieves guild skill with the caster damage wise and does group boons work on them as well?

@ Jzl

I’m honestly not sure about thieves guild and team buffs but I’m pretty sure they don’t hog up any team boons. Pretty sure they’re like mesmer clones in that their stats increases proportional to the caster’s stats. Saying this cause whenever I cast the melee clone, its autos usually do just as much damage as my autos (slower though). Also, whenever I’ve cast them and someone else was giving boons, I’ve never noticed anyone not getting said boons.

With 3 Thieves using ambush and thieves guild and both mesmers havin 3 phantasms up, everyone standing under feedback, that could probably end in a phase 3 skip.

Problem with thieves is they don’t buff team.

timecookie.8570:

Problem with thieves is they don’t buff team.

Can see you’ve never played thief. Probably jaded from seeing bad thieves too.

randomfightfan.4091:

timecookie.8570:

Problem with thieves is they don’t buff team.

Can see you’ve never played thief. Probably jaded from seeing bad thieves too.

Still waiting on that video…

I think most folks, myself included, would be really excited to see someone speedclear GL without the warrior/mesmer team that’s now holding the record. But instead of actually seeing documented proof it can be done, all we see is a couple people spouting off on the forums with “nah man it’s totally possible you just need to L2P thief”.

Fraps or it didn’t happen.

I say I bet a thief team could do it and now 50 people are screaming at me to make vids and calling me dumb. People are awesome.

randomfightfan.4091:

I say I bet a thief team could do it and now 50 people are screaming at me to make vids and calling me dumb. People are awesome.

Yeah, i realized that when i told people that 7 min ac duo is possible.
Noone even comes to the idea that they just don’t have the knowledge to imagine it is, so everyone’s crying for videos to see how it can be done…

randomfightfan.4091:

@ Jzl

I’m honestly not sure about thieves guild and team buffs but I’m pretty sure they don’t hog up any team boons. Pretty sure they’re like mesmer clones in that their stats increases proportional to the caster’s stats. Saying this cause whenever I cast the melee clone, its autos usually do just as much damage as my autos (slower though). Also, whenever I’ve cast them and someone else was giving boons, I’ve never noticed anyone not getting said boons.

I’m asking this is out of curiosity and also because I know for a fact that Venomous aura do apply to summoned thieves, but what I’m not sure of is the number limit for that is, doubt it’s unlimited though, but would be interesting if you can abuse it on 9 summoned thieves. Some say AoE buffs (boons) all have a limit of 5, but it gets confusing sometimes.

Regardless though, I’m not doubting a thief damage wise but more on utilities. There are a lot of things thieves have to put up with in every phase and give away some dmg, it just doesn’t feel as tight as a warrior where everything just comes together. Should still give it a try sometime though.

Broadicea.8294:

-snip-

Everything starts with an idea, any there will always be people opposing any untried theories. Regardless of whether it’s actually possible in practice, one thing we can say 100% for certain is that scorn and sarcasm doesn’t really fuel much into making something a reality. But yea, it’s also true that gaming communities aren’t where mutual respect flourishes either.

I really do hope more can see this as a good thing. GW2 at the current state doesn’t provide much for the hardcore players to dig deep into numbers and strategies despite its arguably deep class build system. This is actually one of the few instances where something sparks that kind of conversation, and this is something the game desperately needs for now. Or on the other hand, you can also focus on the so called imbalance side and ask for nerf or buff or laugh at anyone else that thinks otherwise. I’m personally not bothered that much though, there’s always a class or some classes perceived to be on top, there is always a man, always a city, always a kittening light house, and always a class that needs to be nerfed.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

JJBigs.8456:

Wow I could barley tell which phase was which because he was dying so fast. Also a note I saw but was not commentated on, I saw him using axe #5(Rupt), but I thought that is less DPS than just axe auto. So my guess is that he was trying to rupt a certain move so they didnt have to dodge or something? Anyone else pick up on that or can explain why he was using a non maximized DPS skill?

Edit: GZZZZZZZZZ! Awsome vid and time btw

I think you mean Mace 5, and it actually does do slightly higher damage than autoattack and it can sometimes hit twice. Unless I’ve missed it for this long and am wrong somehow, you can’t interrupt anything that Lupicus does. But hopefully that answers your question.

Oh yeaa I do mean mace 5, ok then! I had not put that in my rotation yet, thanks for showing. It did answer it yea, you guessed what I meant.

Doublehit is something Ill have to watch more close too

Tamtamtam.. :p

Speaking of lupi, I havent seen a “Nerf GL please” thread in a while. Suprising

Broadicea.8294:

Cue Hrouda chiming in with his usual “wow, I’ll have our people take a look at that and make sure nothing funky is happening”

Didn’t you hear? Rob is now on the Dying Story team.