Guild Wars 2

I wonder who thought that those wonderful 30m of chopping gazillion HP with additional events are fit for daily T4 fractal run. Because it’s definitely not worth that time.

75. Besides: its not that bad. And for a t3 daily you should invest some more time and skill than the stupid mossman.

You need it done in <25 minutes for the final tier of the fractal legendary backpack…

Suspect I’m never getting that backpack now

I pugged it and finished in under 20 min even with like 4-5 deaths. Come on it’s not that bad for a final tier fractal.

I’m even playing on NA where ‘the players are probably worse on average’.

12 min PU style with 2 druids (one healer). Come on this fractal is not that hard, you should use potions and food

Did my 100 in like 20 mins. It’s infinitely better and more rewarding than swamp of the mists. Seconding the use of food and potions.

Food and potions? What are those?

/rolls eyes

Failed miserably with 4 berserker and 1 tempest as expected. One swapped to Rev and I swapped to necromancer for some healing. We smashed it at a decent pace. Since the timer resets after each wipe 25 minutes is pretty forgiving.

1 PS warrior, 3 condi neceros, 1 healing druid. Finished in 12 minutes. Condi necros are op for fractals above 80 by the way.

Every fractal is pure easy mode compared to what they where when they first came out.

When you had to complete 3 to get any progression.
When you had to use revive orbs in order to complete fractals 30.
When fractal runs took 2-4 hours lol.

Asrat.2645:

75. Besides: its not that bad. And for a t3 daily you should invest some more time and skill than the stupid mossman.

I love how you’re basing what anet should do on what you think paying customers should do, instead of what most of them will do if fractals stay killed like this. Speaks volumes about your understanding of economics and how much basic morality you likely have.

I’m not leaving because idc about legendaries and I already have everything I was after and can avoid fractals and can just enjoy the parts of the game I like. Just stating the obvious about those who can’t – this will alienate many of them and they will leave. The last thing Anet needs is to emulate Blizzard or the SWG dev team. -_-

Xirus.9675:

Asrat.2645:

75. Besides: its not that bad. And for a t3 daily you should invest some more time and skill than the stupid mossman.

I love how you’re basing what anet should do on what you think paying customers should do, instead of what most of them will do if fractals stay killed like this. Speaks volumes about your understanding of economics and how much basic morality you likely have.

I’m not leaving because idc about legendaries and I already have everything I was after and can avoid fractals and can just enjoy the parts of the game I like. Just stating the obvious about those who can’t – this will alienate many of them and they will leave. The last thing Anet needs is to emulate Blizzard or the SWG dev team. -_-

What are you even talking about? Ive never seen so much interest in actually doing fractals. Sure it will lessen in the coming weeks when it stops being new, but this is exactly what we wanted.

Ok I’ll teach you guys how to make 100 a cake walk. Bring 1 PS, 3 necros, and 1 druid. The entire fight you can just face tank her the whole fight and the entire fight literally becomes a faceroll. Instead of complaining about doing 100, how about everyone try out different things.

Because of how easy this strat is, I’m almost willing to call it a cheese strat…. Also you can kill her in less than half of the required time.

Xirus.9675:

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excellent input

Rednik.3809:

I wonder who thought that those wonderful 30m of chopping gazillion HP with additional events are fit for daily T4 fractal run. Because it’s definitely not worth that time.

Speaking as someone who hasn’t beat MT/100 yet, I think it’s a great idea. You don’t think it’s worth the time? Stick with tier 3.

(Besides, T4 includes MT/75, too.)

Asrat.2645:

Xirus.9675:

Asrat.2645:

75. Besides: its not that bad. And for a t3 daily you should invest some more time and skill than the stupid mossman.

I love how you’re basing what anet should do on what you think paying customers should do, instead of what most of them will do if fractals stay killed like this. Speaks volumes about your understanding of economics and how much basic morality you likely have.

I’m not leaving because idc about legendaries and I already have everything I was after and can avoid fractals and can just enjoy the parts of the game I like. Just stating the obvious about those who can’t – this will alienate many of them and they will leave. The last thing Anet needs is to emulate Blizzard or the SWG dev team. -_-

What are you even talking about? Ive never seen so much interest in actually doing fractals. Sure it will lessen in the coming weeks when it stops being new, but this is exactly what we wanted.

>Pretty hard to misinterpret what I said.
>Not everyone is in an active raiding guild, so excuse me if your hugbox doesn’t include people who don’t share your 1337 interests.
>You already had raids. There was no reason whatsoever to demand that fractal dailies be made this difficult. Its just another spiting of casual players – who make up a majority of the playerbase and thus are the majority of anet’s customers.
>“They should work harder for their rewards”. Yes, because hard work is totally what most people who earned money doing hard work want to spend that money to do. You’re quite the economist. I stand corrected, sir.

I agree to the point that they really should think about the hp in the highest tier. It is pure annoyance and hasn’t anything to do with skill. Make them less forgiving but lower this ridiculous amount of hp.

It’s actually extremely easy tbh. She does a lot less dmg than pre-HoT and so do the cannons. As long as you focus on killing the sniper dude first there’s little chance of wiping. It’s a bit tedious tho, I’ll give you that.

I mean you even have a second chance in the form of the mistlock singularity.

Xirus.9675:

>Not everyone is in an active raiding guild, so excuse me if your hugbox doesn’t include people who don’t share your 1337 interests.
>You already had raids. There was no reason whatsoever to demand that fractal dailies be made this difficult. Its just another spiting of casual players – who make up a majority of the playerbase and thus are the majority of anet’s customers.
>“They should work harder for their rewards”. Yes, because hard work is totally what most people who earned money doing hard work want to spend that money to do. You’re quite the economist. I stand corrected, sir.

Done it with pugs yesterday, with many down that we had to rez while kitting the elite/boss. We still got the challenge, without even trying hard.
No, it’s far from impossible, it’s also not nearly as hard as raids.

But of course, people kinda have to stop thinking “ZERK ZERK ZERK” as the meta for every situation. This fight is about surviving more than it’s about dealing huge damage, you need support and proper healing for this fight OR you need to be especially good at dodging and avoiding hits. I’m actually glad there is one or two fights in this game that are not just about stacking on a boss and burning.
(EDIT: No Mai Trin doesnt have that much HP, sure that’s still a lot more than 25, but not nearly as much as the -very- annoying Snowblind boss at high level)

And again:
This is level 100, if you don’t want challenge, you don’t have to do that high of a level, casual players HAVE their own fractals, and you are the one basically implying that everyone should be casual. Some people want easy stuff, some people want harder (still not hard) stuff, fractals provide both.

And yes, the whole point of legendaries, and special skins, is to be worth something, if everyone can access them just by clicking a button, they will have no value. All MMOs work that way.

I’m not even sure what you’re complaining about, it’s not okay because there’s one chest out of 14 that you can’t have casually? Is this really what you are saying?

We did it in 7 minutes (according to the timer) and kittened up in the first phase.
Get your kitten together and it’s not really difficult/long whatsoever. Get mists potions, food and beat the kitten out of her.

cranos.5913:

It’s actually extremely easy tbh. She does a lot less dmg than pre-HoT and so do the cannons. As long as you focus on killing the sniper dude first there’s little chance of wiping. It’s a bit tedious tho, I’ll give you that.

I mean you even have a second chance in the form of the mistlock singularity.

Of course it’s easy. OP hasn’t said anything about difficulty. Doesn’t change anything about Mai Trin having too much hp. Make her harder but lower hp. That’s all and we have a good encounter that feels right.

Vinceman.4572:

cranos.5913:

It’s actually extremely easy tbh. She does a lot less dmg than pre-HoT and so do the cannons. As long as you focus on killing the sniper dude first there’s little chance of wiping. It’s a bit tedious tho, I’ll give you that.

I mean you even have a second chance in the form of the mistlock singularity.

Of course it’s easy. OP hasn’t said anything about difficulty. Doesn’t change anything about Mai Trin having too much hp. Make her harder but lower hp. That’s all and we have a good encounter that feels right.

And I agreed it’s tedious, what more do you want. xD

Xirus.9675:

>Pretty hard to misinterpret what I said.
>Not everyone is in an active raiding guild, so excuse me if your hugbox doesn’t include people who don’t share your 1337 interests.
>You already had raids. There was no reason whatsoever to demand that fractal dailies be made this difficult. Its just another spiting of casual players – who make up a majority of the playerbase and thus are the majority of anet’s customers.
>“They should work harder for their rewards”. Yes, because hard work is totally what most people who earned money doing hard work want to spend that money to do. You’re quite the economist. I stand corrected, sir.

Im playing fractals with pugs. Exclusively. For the challenge I needed 3 teams and about 2 hours, but only because people were being stupid. (thinking anguished tear of alba would protect them)
This kind of conetent would become extremely easy if the playerbase would stop leaving the party after the first wipe.
Additionally the months of swamp have caused exactly whta I was afraid of: everybody now thinks they have to be able to do the t3 dailies.
People who should have stayed in t2 where allowed to exploit the system and now believe they have a right to get the rewards.
And if you suggest that maybe the last 25 tiers of the current semi-hardcore instanced content is not for everyone, they claim the moral high ground and call you an elitist.

-Being prl 78 thanks to swamps does not qualify you for endgame content.
-If you have no idea what youre doing and are just after quick rewards, gtfo and back to 40 farming or now also dungeon farming.
-If you have no idea what you are doing but are actually willing to learn and to improve, be my guest. I gladly carry people who enjoy fractals for what they are, not for the rewards and I gladly explain the entire encounter+ every possible tactic.

But actually the last thing I want is for this to become another hc vs casual debate. As others suggested: Mai trin is easy. Lvl 100 can be soloed. Just get your kitten together and do it. Also if you face adversity, consider different tactics than ‘stack and damage’
We did 79 by hiding behind pillars.

Fractals are still way too easy. I want my old Pre-Fractured system back, mai trin shot me on lv100, it didnt even take half my hp… oh such hard content boiz, highest level fractal doesnt even kill me when i’m too garbage to dodge