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The question is not if ele is suddenly bad dps or so, the question is if it’s actually worth using icebow over lavafont + autoattack.
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The question is not if ele is suddenly bad dps or so, the question is if it’s actually worth using icebow over lavafont + autoattack.
feel free to upload a faster one if u think aa in fire is more dps then meteor in water attunement.
How well does LH in water perform? Wondering if that’s better than IB in that situation.
How well does LH in water perform? Wondering if that’s better than IB in that situation.
I gonna try it out when i get this fractal next time.
Meteor shower is in line for a nerf as well anyways, with large hitbox bosses probably coming to raids it’s gonna get the nerf bat.
Time of first Old Tom (prepatch) werent that great, casual times there were around 38s.
But wont bother searching other Video.
So after all difference is just 10s with the nerfed Icebow.
You’ve missed a lot of factors. Can you please tell us what they are?
Your real time was 1min 30seconds. For my opinion your run in the video was slow. It certainly was not 42sec run.
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Time of first Old Tom (prepatch) werent that great, casual times there were around 38s.
But wont bother searching other Video.
So after all difference is just 10s with the nerfed Icebow.You’ve missed a lot of factors. Can you please tell us what they are?
Your real time was 1min 30seconds. For my opinion your run in the video was slow. It was not 42sec for sure.
Your comment makes no sense. This video were made for the purpose of showing that difference in time isnt much even with nerfed icebow. It doesnt matter where you start counting time since its still just 10sec difference in time.
But if you think its slow feel free to upload faster one.
looking forward to see some new tactics.
So, 10s slower than the previous 38 seconds, that means there’s basically a 20% DPS loss.
How does that show that the meta will not be changing? 20% is a pretty big amount, which can be made up by swapping at least 1 ele out for a class like engi, which does in fact change the meta
So, 10s slower than the previous 38 seconds, that means there’s basically a 20% DPS loss.
How does that show that the meta will not be changing? 20% is a pretty big amount, which can be made up by swapping at least 1 ele out for a class like engi, which does in fact change the meta
I tested already Engineer and Ele DPS after patch for around 3 hours and elems still better.
Wondering what people think of glyph of elemental power. 25% chance to apply 2 burning stacks on hit for 30 seconds if used in fire. Seems like a decent DPS boost if you don’t need the CC from deep freeze.
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Wondering what people think of glyph of elemental power. 25% chance to apply 2 burning stacks on hit for 30 seconds if used in fire. Seems like a decent DPS boost if you don’t need the CC from deep freeze.
Well in a group you shouldnt have problems with the burning
Glyph of elemental power is already amazing if you want to chill, I use it on d/f alot but I’m not sure if using it for damage would be that good.
So, 10s slower than the previous 38 seconds, that means there’s basically a 20% DPS loss.
How does that show that the meta will not be changing? 20% is a pretty big amount, which can be made up by swapping at least 1 ele out for a class like engi, which does in fact change the metaI tested already Engineer and Ele DPS after patch for around 3 hours and elems still better.
Are you sure you are testing out sinister Engi with the right rotation? According to the spreadsheet, sinister Engi have higher DPS even before this patch. Zerker Engi probably caught up Ele in DPS as well. Not saying Engi > Ele, but I highly doubt Ele has higher DPS, if you mean higher AoE burst then I trust you.
So, 10s slower than the previous 38 seconds, that means there’s basically a 20% DPS loss.
How does that show that the meta will not be changing? 20% is a pretty big amount, which can be made up by swapping at least 1 ele out for a class like engi, which does in fact change the metaI tested already Engineer and Ele DPS after patch for around 3 hours and elems still better.
Are you sure you are testing out sinister Engi with the right rotation? According to the spreadsheet, sinister Engi have higher DPS even before this patch. Zerker Engi probably caught up Ele in DPS as well. Not saying Engi > Ele, but I highly doubt Ele has higher DPS, if you mean higher AoE burst then I trust you.
Oh yeah should’ve clarified that i tested in a group setup that i generally use in fractals and not solo dps.
There were never any ice bow meta. People lied and overhyped the damage, and now we see the result. The ice bow damage was previous balanced to the cool down, so the nerf only really get noticed if the boss die before the CD impacts DPS (ie, when the boss die around the 10-30s mark).
So, 10s slower than the previous 38 seconds, that means there’s basically a 20% DPS loss.
How does that show that the meta will not be changing? 20% is a pretty big amount, which can be made up by swapping at least 1 ele out for a class like engi, which does in fact change the metaI tested already Engineer and Ele DPS after patch for around 3 hours and elems still better.
Are you sure you are testing out sinister Engi with the right rotation? According to the spreadsheet, sinister Engi have higher DPS even before this patch. Zerker Engi probably caught up Ele in DPS as well. Not saying Engi > Ele, but I highly doubt Ele has higher DPS, if you mean higher AoE burst then I trust you.
Oh yeah should’ve clarified that i tested in a group setup that i generally use in fractals and not solo dps.
Sustain DPS wise sinister Engi is still higher regardless, at least from I know, the DPS spreadsheet is according to the 5-man set up statistics. People want Ele not solely for DPS, it’s for their AoE and burst. I don’t know what set up you are talking about, it must be different than theirs, it would be nice if you post some data.
If you mean solo DPS, Ele has higher DPS, but in a set up, Engi has higher DPS.
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So, 10s slower than the previous 38 seconds, that means there’s basically a 20% DPS loss.
How does that show that the meta will not be changing? 20% is a pretty big amount, which can be made up by swapping at least 1 ele out for a class like engi, which does in fact change the metaI tested already Engineer and Ele DPS after patch for around 3 hours and elems still better.
Are you sure you are testing out sinister Engi with the right rotation? According to the spreadsheet, sinister Engi have higher DPS even before this patch. Zerker Engi probably caught up Ele in DPS as well. Not saying Engi > Ele, but I highly doubt Ele has higher DPS, if you mean higher AoE burst then I trust you.
Power Engi vs Power Elementalist shouldn’t change. When people calculate the dps of different profession for Dungeon they usually use a 30sec rotation that exclude Frostbow because it’s on a 60 sec cooldown. So power engineer should still be near elementalist, but not caught up with Ele.
Anyway. Most people won’t waste much time trying to calculate or test stuff up until HoT. No need to take a couple of hours for something that will change in 22 days.
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So, 10s slower than the previous 38 seconds, that means there’s basically a 20% DPS loss.
How does that show that the meta will not be changing? 20% is a pretty big amount, which can be made up by swapping at least 1 ele out for a class like engi, which does in fact change the metaI tested already Engineer and Ele DPS after patch for around 3 hours and elems still better.
Are you sure you are testing out sinister Engi with the right rotation? According to the spreadsheet, sinister Engi have higher DPS even before this patch. Zerker Engi probably caught up Ele in DPS as well. Not saying Engi > Ele, but I highly doubt Ele has higher DPS, if you mean higher AoE burst then I trust you.
Oh yeah should’ve clarified that i tested in a group setup that i generally use in fractals and not solo dps.
Sustain DPS wise sinister Engi is still higher regardless. People want Ele not solely for DPS, it’s for their AoE and burst. I don’t know what set up you are talking about, it would be nice if you post some data.
They want ele for more than that. 2 water fields, one that pulses condition removal, aoe high duration chill, AoE static field, a line of warding, a line cast root, glyph of lightning/sandstorm, and the earth elemental signet.
All of that condensed into a single weapon without having to spread yourself thin on utilities and built into the very weapons that is also your highest DPS.
Ele isn’t going anywhere even if they nerf meteor shower and persisting flames. The class is a walking set of group utility, combo fields and blast finishers, and compared to engineer the ele can get his maxmimum amount of damage from range close enough to the group’s boon sharing whereas the engineer involves more risk with comboing the bomb kit in an environment where melee might actually be dangerous/prohibitive at times in raids.
I’m not argueing about Ele’s viability, Ele is definitely more viable than Engi (and Ele > just about everyone else as well), but it does not make Ele having a higher sustained DPS than sinister Engi, especially against high armor targets. As for raids, we can only speculate. Do we encounter high armor mobs in raids? I suppose Mordrems are suppose to be high armor. If so condi damage will work better than expected in raids. I just hope that zerker Ele stack meta, but I won’t surprise if raid became a 5+ zerker Ele meta.
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