Guild Wars 2

I am not new to raiding, I have only killed escort once and it took forever, but I am a super good player. I saw Nike do a xera kill once before when he talked about something and I totally get what is going on from the video, like I notice you need leyline gliding and I have got Ley Line Gliding! So there was an experienced group looking for people on the LFG for KC, that’s just like a lesser version of Xera right? And I just did escort. Should be easy, I actually decided to take necro for epi it could help to kill the other spirits that come up too.

Well this is what happened after I joined can you believe how horribly they treated me?

So I joined the group, I did the best dps too, arc dps is broken so it doesn’t show the real dps of necromancer, but I was the only person doing condi and condi is way better than power at the moment. qt said it in reddit and because I was the only person running condi I knew, straight away I would have to carry those people. That why I don’t like dps meters actually, because they are not true and they make people elitists even though they don’t know anything about gw2. It’s not all about the dps anyway, they should know that you need REAL tanks and REAL healers too.

Ours were horrible, ok so our tank, they couldn’t even manage their own aggro properly. Those spirits that kept spawning they kept chasing me instead of the tank! I think the number 1 reason we died was because the tanks were horrible, I had to kite those for the group who didn’t even do any damage on them, I was the only one who did damage. Thankfully after about 10 tries the tank left and we got another one, the new one was a little bit better but still pretty horrible. Well anyway after all of this had happened the commander whispered me and said I was the reason we kept dieing!

umm, WHAT!?!?!

I was obviously the only person there who knew what to do, I tried to tell the commander that the real reason we died was because our tank was bad. But I got kicked anyway and he decided to block me. How rude, I’m sick and tired of this elitist attitude with the raiding community, I’m never going to raid again.
/rant over

Public service announcement:
If you attempt to join my exp group and LIE to me. That’s a moral problem you are having, not a player skill problem, your dishonesty wastes my time and the time of 9 other players. Who might each otherwise be running a training pug in that time for a potential total of 90 new players, instead of a salty time wasting pug. Thats a loss/loss situation and a very selfish thing to do.

Anyone who joins my group and they:
-Acts mute and does not reply when they are asked something
-Does trashy dps when that’s their role
-Does not know how to do the mechanics of their role
-Repeatedly messes up mechanics
-Messes up mechanics that should be impossible to mess up
-Cannot find the discord channel when asked to join
-Uses the wrong build and ready’s up
-Uses trashy food

I am going to assume you have been dishonest to me and lied. Please expect to be instantly kicked.

You joined an experienced KC run and you think the spirits agro to the tank? You clearly don’t belong in that run then. KC is a power boss because you burst in 15s intervals and you can use impact sigil (tempest defense too for eles). Condi is worse on KC. The adds agro to a random person in the group…

@OP:

You should use quotation marks (“…”) when citating a new or unexperienced player or tell a fictional case otherwise posts like this one are a little bit weird to comprehend.

But, excellent recap of a new player with no knowledge at all in the first part of your post. I had to smile beningly.
For the rest: The PSA is well known for ppl in this subforum. It should reach players that are new to raids and you almost won’t find anyone here.

Zlater.6789:

ButterPeanut.9746:

You joined an experienced KC run and you think the spirits agro to the tank? You clearly don’t belong in that run then. KC is a power boss because you burst in 15s intervals and you can use impact sigil (tempest defense too for eles). Condi is worse on KC. The adds agro to a random person in the group…

Genious!!!
EVERYONE this guy gets it!
“You clearly don’t belong in that run then.”

eggactly

Was the run advertised as looking for people with experience? The tanking mechanic is something you learn within the first 5 minutes of attempting the fight. You didn’t learn that mechanic, joined an experienced group, and instead of learning it complained on the forums about it.

The fact that people can’t tell this is satire makes me not want to touch raiding with a ten-foot pole.

The OP has described three problems, neither of them related to morality or lying.
(1) People overestimate their own abilities — that’s not “lying,” that’s an example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect, i.e. people who aren’t skilled at something don’t have the skills to recognize they lack the skill.

(2) People have trouble realizing that communication can make a huge difference, especially in PUGs. The OP seems clear on this, since they listed things that they don’t want in their own group (being mute, ignoring VoIP requirements, fail to discuss things).

(3) People have trouble communicating. The OP also seems clear on this, since they attempted to discuss the issue with the commander and the commander tried to offer their views. Clearly, the two disagreed. (I leave it as an exercise for the reader who, if either, were likely ‘correct’ about the reason their raid failed.)

Just as clearly, the two were unable to figure out how to get past that disagreement. When in doubt, the commander is always “right” — not because they know better or they have the facts on their side — solely because they are leading. A good commander will listen to other points of view, but at the end (and beginning and middle) of the raid, there can only be one leader.

tl;dr there were social, cognitive, and communication issues; there wasn’t any sort of moral issue and there wasn’t any “lying”.

Sister Saxifrage.7361:

The fact that people can’t tell this is satire makes me not want to touch raiding with a ten-foot pole.

Relating to the responses, it was exactly one.

lol you think pugs don’t know they are lying when the join an lfg that says exp and literally don’t know mechanics? Pugs that can’t throw sabetha bombs, don’t know how to drop volatile poisons, and constantly get ported at vg?

Get real. Plenty of these pugs know they are not fulfilling the requirements in the lfg, they are just hoping they wont get caught.

Sister Saxifrage.7361:

The fact that people can’t tell this is satire makes me not want to touch raiding with a ten-foot pole.

With the sheer amount of whine going on from people about raids can you blame people for thinking it’s legit considering how much of this people see on a daily/weekly/monthly basis not just on forums but in game ?

Kek… I lol’d. This has to be a troll.

It’s difficult to tell that the first part of the post is Zlater taking the role of the player who joined his raid group. I think a lot of people will start reading and don’t know you and think you are one of those people you point at ^^

this is by far the best troll post ive read in a long time XD

It is heavily disencouraging that both parts of the post actually feel authentic. Makes pugging raids feel like a really bad “either way you lose” experience for everyone until they get that small rush of adrenaline after they finally kill a boss, whereas the rest of the time is spent either being a newbie who wants to fit in even at the expense of other people’s effort, or a veteran who has to carry people on your back because you actually worked for it.

Considering that the majority of the GW2 experience for the majority of the population probably consists of pugging or at least filling in their parties with pugs (it is even a given thing in map completion and achievements with dynamic events and such), it actually gives some leeway to the argument “raids should not be in GW2”. I love the raids as a standalone thing mind you, but the general attitude from both sides demonstrated on that post is just awful compared to the rest of the game. Then again, I suppose the rest of the game is not even considered “the real game” by some raiders.

maxwelgm.4315:

Considering that the majority of the GW2 experience for the majority of the population probably consists of pugging or at least filling in their parties with pugs (it is even a given thing in map completion and achievements with dynamic events and such), it actually gives some leeway to the argument “raids should not be in GW2”.

Nonsense. Just today we pugged PS warriors for our guild run. We had a terrible one and a pretty good one. Ended up kicking the former (sorry, had no clue about the fight and the fight was Matthias) and inviting the latter to the guild. The point being, raids are just like any other group content – they are a place where you interact with other players. Some will be bad, some will be good. Some you’ll want to forget, some you’d like to continue playing with. I’ve had the very same experiences in fractals.

Are you trolling right?

Lol gz for clearing escort it’s the hardest raid boss in game

It wasn’t a very good troll until people actually fell for it. I’ll give it a 8/10.

I might be, subjectively, a very passionate poster about raiding but even I could tell just from the first few sentences something was off. C’mon guys let’s not lose our heads about the discourse, keep an open mind.

Feanor.2358:

Kek… I lol’d. This has to be a troll.

This

You can tell they took a while to incorporate preconceived concepts from other raids in other games into the narrative while backing it up with half truths from this game. The give away for me was the qT said so about condi, I think it could have been executed a little better that part as qT say don’t be an ass and play what you want (just be good at it). The false bravado about carrying people after the uncertainty about KC being too different to Xera was a little inconsistent and felt out of place.

Really nailed it with the arc dps not showing necro dps properly and not being too accurate, that was a good laugh as too were the reasons to bring necro for epi. Felt like it really fit in with what some would think. I also liked the tank parts and complaining about aggro management, if it wasn’t for a few inconsistencies above I think this would have been my favourite post of the year.

gf left me coz of ladderboard

All is vain

The first sentence kind of gives it way. Someone considering themself to be a “super good player, although they are completely clueless” sounds like an exaggeration of the usual lines we see on a daily basis now.

There are many who overestimate their own abilities, who do not understand how important communication is and those who are too “shy” to communicate. MMORPGS actually attract that type of player more than any other genre.
However, we shouldn’t pretend that there aren’t many who know exactly what they are doing. They will even explain the best ways to fake LI, and even knowledge about the encounters, how to fake gear and many other things to anyone who’d listen. They put so much effort into this that one has to wonder why they don’t put that amount effort into actual raiding instead.

The issue isn’t about players being new, players needing help and players underperforming due to various circumstances.
Clearing the entire raid with one or two inexperienced players isn’t much of an issue for good groups. You can easily adjust as long as you are aware of those who might need help and shouldn’t be given important tasks they can’t perform yet.
What bothers most of us are those who rather pretend to be something they are not, refuse to listen, have nine others rely on them and do not mind possibly wasting everyone’s time.

Well done sir, well done.

maxwelgm.4315:

It is heavily disencouraging that both parts of the post actually feel authentic. Makes pugging raids feel like a really bad “either way you lose” experience for everyone until they get that small rush of adrenaline after they finally kill a boss, whereas the rest of the time is spent either being a newbie who wants to fit in even at the expense of other people’s effort, or a veteran who has to carry people on your back because you actually worked for it.

Considering that the majority of the GW2 experience for the majority of the population probably consists of pugging or at least filling in their parties with pugs (it is even a given thing in map completion and achievements with dynamic events and such), it actually gives some leeway to the argument “raids should not be in GW2”. I love the raids as a standalone thing mind you, but the general attitude from both sides demonstrated on that post is just awful compared to the rest of the game. Then again, I suppose the rest of the game is not even considered “the real game” by some raiders.

… Specific content doesn’t belong in the game because someone posted a satirical thread on the forums and you thought it felt genuine?

Zanjii.8214:

this is by far the best troll post ive read in a long time XD

the nomads guy was funnier doe

Zlater.6789:

I actually decided to take necro
I did the best dps too
qt said it in reddit
I knew, straight away I would have to carry those people

Thankyou for the entertaining post.
10/10 would recommend to friend.

Click bait? Not a bad try.