Guild Wars 2

Hi guys,

Just for reference, I am an experienced fractals player. However I do need some tips on how to do dredge fractal more efficiently, especially on higher levels.

The first two pressure plates are pretty str8 forward, however the room with the two plates and the switch is annoying. Currently our strat is to have two players die on the plates, 2 characters kite the mobs on one side of the room, while another (preferably one with invis) does the switch. Is it just me, or does this feel a lot like the Magg strat in cof p2 before they nerfed him?

In the bomb path, we stealthed before running up the stairs with retreat. We then picked up the bombs and ran to the top, dropped the bombs at the door inside a sanctuary while warriors used fear me to keep the mobs off the bombs. However for whatever reason even after fear me and sanctuary non of the bombs went off. When we tried just dropping them without any sanctuary or fear me, they went off no problem. What gives?

anyway if someone could provide me some tips or their strategy for these two rooms that would be much appreciated.

Quick Mouse.7635:

However for whatever reason even after fear me and sanctuary non of the bombs went off. When we tried just dropping them without any sanctuary or fear me, they went off no problem. What gives?

Plant bombs, and move away from them, dont stand on top of bombs.

Razeor.6271:

Quick Mouse.7635:

However for whatever reason even after fear me and sanctuary non of the bombs went off. When we tried just dropping them without any sanctuary or fear me, they went off no problem. What gives?

Plant bombs, and move away from them, dont stand on top of bombs.

After dropping the bombs inside sanctuary, I used fear me to drive the dredge off and we ran back down the stairs. Non of the bombs went off and idk why. Is it possible the bombs bug inside the sanctuary and dont damage the door?

There are dredge that grab bombs after you deploy them, disarming them.

Player Character.9467:

There are dredge that grab bombs after you deploy them, disarming them.

Yes we know this, thats why we dropped a sanctuary and used fear me to make them run away…but they still didnt damage the door

there are 2 ways to do it…

Both are profession centered -.-

Btw i can t post them because i know how anet likes to ruin fun of players and despite they are not explit but legit they already made changes to stealth in that part just to say its not only about explit…..

Is it true that there are only so many bomb carriers, so as long as you don’t kill them they cannot pick up a second bomb?

Watch Strife’s dredge fractal for 38 video. They nerfed the jump thing, but the strat in the room is exactly the same. We show you there that there is no reason for anyone to have to die in that room.

nope <.<

that is really obsolete….. best strat is still to have ppl die…
Also it would be good to see how the other side deals with dredges…

not to mention the 3 war 1 guard 1 mez team that is per se the saddest thing to see in a guide…
Just to show easy mode.

LordByron.8369:

nope <.<

that is really obsolete….. best strat is still to have ppl die…
Also it would be good to see how the other side deals with dredges…

not to mention the 3 war 1 guard 1 mez team that is per se the saddest thing to see in a guide…
Just to show easy mode.

I’d like to see you match them… People keep saying that Guard/war/mes setups are a faceroll, but when push comes to shove, it turns out they aren’t capable of reproducing similar results.

I remember back in GW1 when people used to call us out for DoASC’ing and how Shadow Form was a godmode skill and anyone could tank DoA… Then it turned out they sucked and couldn’t pull it off without practice.

kittentalking is easy, putting up on the other hand…

And tell me why letting people die on purpose is an acceptable tactic when killing them is not only faster, but saves you damaged armor and time?

short story….
of 5 players 4 can unequip die on a switch for what i care…
The other can use one of the dozen tactic profession centered anet still have to find.

And for how i see this fractal.

There isn t any acceptable tactic…this is the worst design in the game of pve content by a long margin…

It got worse and worse every patch just to get the prize

Contenders are:
Null from living story
Veteran grawls event in lava fractal
Cliffside arms seals
Cliffside final boss phase 3

They’re terrible because… you can’t manage to do them? Give reasons, not vague claims.

Stooperdale.3560:

Is it true that there are only so many bomb carriers, so as long as you don’t kill them they cannot pick up a second bomb?

When those miner Dredge pick up a weapon (either a bomb or from a corpse) they seem to get new set of skills.
Also I have noticed that amount of exploding bombs increase wave by wave. Even if 0 or 1 bombs had exploded on first try I have always got it done in 3-4 attempts.

That makes me fairly sure that they can’t pick up a bomb multiple times.

Player Character.9467:

They’re terrible because… you can’t manage to do them?

._.
This is why we can t have good things….

people just doesn t care to make the game better…
What they want is to affirm themselves on forum and attack Others……

I am possibly one of the 100 most dedicated fotm runners in the game…
Yet any time i discuss issue i get L2p answers….

Well i know its not me…
Even if i makes a post on the best screenshot i would probably have people posting “l2p”.

You’re asking for more things to be nerfed because you can’t just sit there and hit 2. You just wrote up above that the only way through that you can see is to just use dead bodies (on all 4 switches? I haven’t even seen pugs that kamikazee).

LordByron.8369:

Player Character.9467:

They’re terrible because… you can’t manage to do them?

._.
This is why we can t have good things….

people just doesn t care to make the game better…
What they want is to affirm themselves on forum and attack Others……

I am possibly one of the 100 most dedicated fotm runners in the game…
Yet any time i discuss issue i get L2p answers….

Well i know its not me…
Even if i makes a post on the best screenshot i would probably have people posting “l2p”.

I highly doubt you’re one of the most dedicated, since there are quite some people that have multiple level 60+ characters and some are even at level 80…

Secondly, I am amazed by the fact you’re advocating letting 4 people die at the start, for several reasons. The main one being that if you have 2 dead bodies on the switches in the cage, the doors that are opened by the other two switches up top will be open to begin with. So the maximum of dead people you need for that part is 2. So you’re advocating people to deliberately cripple their team for no reason what so ever, since the extra 2 people are doing absolutely nothing to help you progress the run. They might as well even be alive and be akitten’ing at the start.

Oh, and you’re not making yourself look any better by making all of your sentences end with ………… and using single sentence lines the entire time, combined with bad sentence structures. I’m assuming English isn’t your native language, but neither is mine. The only difference is, I try to make coherent forum posts that aren’t riddled with spelling mistakes and obnoxious sentence constructions. It only makes you look like a 14 year old who just learned how to speak English half decently.

Not to mention your objection to people using personal attacks is kind of hypocritical, since you keep calling out other people yourself and saying they’re bad players for using optimal team setups.

i am saying that as long as anet continue to not address PvE balance i am using professoin mechanics to get past the content….

If as happened Yesterday you get cliffside and dredge…the run becomes a boredom……
And its not plausible to ask people to stay in a single dungeon 2 hours while not committing any mistake just because they were unlucky…..

And is a fast viable tactic…ther is the stealth method, the portal method and many other profession related ways to solo the console.
I didn t even had to watch youtube to learn them….

also dedicated =/= best

I have 2 professions and i don t need to get past 48 for the cap thing…..my friends are at 80 btw <.<

But yet i have more pristines and skins (and trust me i m not lucky at all infact i still miss the 2 i want) than most players…..and many hundreds skillpoints get with the excessive amount of tokens.

The “optimal team setup” is a flowchart not even a game imho….

Finally
This is an european game and an european forum
Stop thinking english is the world Language.

I can say devs and mods already pronounced on this…..

Except that, even at lvl48, Dredge shouldn’t take you any longer than 30-40 minutes, and that’s including some screwups. Let’s say you screw up REALLY good a couple of times, it shouldn’t be more than an hour.

Secondly, I realize there are multiple ways to do the console. But you advocate 4 people dieing, 2 of which should not be dead in the first place, who could help kite the dredge just in case something goes wrong. A safety net is always a good thing to have. No wonder dredge takes you 2 hours to complete, if you insist on using tactics that are demonstrably detrimental to your run.

I also realize this is a game that is played by people who speak different languages. How ever, deliberately using obnoxious sentence structures just makes your argument look silly. It’s a known fact that people will subconsciously judge your argument by the way you represent it, usually even more than the contents of your argument itself. You are making yourself look like a 14 year old who just discovered the internet by writing them out the way you do. I’m trying to point out that it’s not helping your case.
I also said my native language isn’t English either, and yet you accuse me of thinking English is the world language. I speak 4 languages in fact (although my French has deteriorated quite a bit since college…).

If you want to be taken seriously, you could start by not promoting bad tactics, and using decent sentence structures.

LordByron.8369:

I am possibly one of the 100 most dedicated fotm runners in the game…
Yet any time i discuss issue i get L2p answers….

Dude, don’t do that in public. Get a room if you’re gonna stroke your kitten that much.

This fractal sucks, yes. Strifey and his team do a great job with getting good solid strategies that don’t abuse mechanics or use exploits. I feel more accomplished following those methods than “jump the cage here” or “portal through this glitch spot”. IMO the cage/switch part isn’t what needs attention, it’s the bombs/gun door and ‘teh wave’ that need some reworking.

“Man, we need a good idea to make this part harder. What cool new idea should we use?”
“I don’t know…. lets just put more dredge there and give them more HP”
“PERFECT!”

LordByron.8369:

nope <.<

that is really obsolete….. best strat is still to have ppl die…
Also it would be good to see how the other side deals with dredges…

not to mention the 3 war 1 guard 1 mez team that is per se the saddest thing to see in a guide…
Just to show easy mode.

no offense, but clearly you have no idea what the “best strat” is at all.

Ethics.4519:

“Man, we need a good idea to make this part harder. What cool new idea should we use?”
“I don’t know…. lets just put more dredge there and give them more HP”
“PERFECT!”

Thanks for that. That mental image made me chuckle. And somehow, it doesn’t seem too unrealistic…

Bright.9160:

Except that, even at lvl48, Dredge shouldn’t take you any longer than 30-40 minutes, and that’s including some screwups. Let’s say you screw up REALLY good a couple of times, it shouldn’t be more than an hour.

2 hours for dredge+ cliffside + 1 other + maw is not so much …..
I did a deathless run myself actually

Secondly, I realize there are multiple ways to do the console (which this thread still isn’t about by the way, it’s time you start realizing that). But you advocate 4 people dieing, 2 of which should not be dead in the first place, who could help kite the dredge just in case something goes wrong.

i just said kiting is not necessary…
You open doors one take care of console alone…its doable in 3 different ways…probably more but i know 3.
It takes the least time possible.

I also realize this is a game that is played by people who speak different languages. How ever, deliberately using obnoxious sentence structures

i m not….
possibly different Language translations leads to that.

just makes your argument look silly. It’s a known fact that people will subconsciously judge your argument by the way you represent it, usually even more than the contents of your argument itself.

clearly not my fault

You are making yourself look like a 14 year old who just discovered the internet by writing them out the way you do. I’m trying to point out that it’s not helping your case.

i won t be the best writer but i m quite sure to have seen this sentence in common flamers behaviors….

If you want to be taken seriously, you could start by not promoting bad tactics, and using decent sentence structures.

see above…
When all else fails just attack poster….common flaming behavior.

TLDR
Its months people complain ofthis fractal
STOP defending it…..its clear it needs to be reworked.
So we don t care how good you are…we care to have it fixed

Every time they mess with this fractal we have people coming here with their L2P posts….

P.S. just because you want this fractal more annoying..
With stealth if you don get aggro you can safely address console alone.
Also with portal

Its difficult but its the fastest way….

Now they will remove even that next patch.

LordByron.8369:

2 hours for dredge+ cliffside + 2 thers is not so much …..
I did a deathless run (excluding those dying on switches)

I did a 48 last night that took a little over an hour and it included dredge as well. And I didn’t even get to use my new way of getting on top of the cage, so we did that part legit. So, 2 hours is still pretty meh. I think the worst 48 I’ve ever done was 1h45, and it was Swamp, Dredge, Cliffside as well.

LordByron.8369:

i just said kiting is not necessary…

You open doors one take care of console alone…its doable in 3 different ways…probably more but i know 3.
It takes the least time possible.

And I just said kiting makes it safer. You can argue that all you want, but I’m pretty sure that having an enemy as far as possible from the guy doing the console is demonstrably safer than having someone stand there on their own, even if they’re stealthed.

LordByron.8369:

i m not….
possibly different Language translations leads to that.

I’m not talking about your broken English, I’m talking about the fact you use ………. after each sentence, and you’re working with single sentences, all of them broken up by backspaces, which makes it look terrible to be honest.

LordByron.8369:

clearly not my fault

No, human evolution is to blame for that. But even if it’s not your fault, if you want to be taken seriously (which I’m having the impression you’re not, and not just by me), I’m advising you to try harder.

LordByron.8369:

i won t be the best writer but i m quite sure to have seen this sentence in common flamers behaviors….

Except, I’m not flaming, I’m pointing out flaws. Argue that all you want, flaming would be directly calling you a bad player or a noob or similar for no reason other than calling you that. A well-written, thought out counter argument is not flaming, it’s called a discussion.

LordByron.8369:

see above…
When all else fails just attack poster….common flaming behavior.

Except, this is not a ‘when all else fails’ situation. My posts included arguments both to why your tactics are bad, and why people aren’t taking you seriously. If anything, I’m doing you a favor.

LordByron.8369:

TLDR
Its months people complain ofthis fractal
STOP defending it…..its clear it needs to be reworked.
So we don t care how good you are…we care to have it fixed

I can agree it needs a reword, but so far in this thread you have:

• Suggested terrible tactics to complete the cage.

• Not suggested anything to improve the fractal.

this fractal makes baby jesus cry.

Bright, the OP does actually ask about the cage room, as well. Not that that makes any of the rest of your points less valid.

Iures.2894:

Bright, the OP does actually ask about the cage room, as well. Not that that makes any of the rest of your points less valid.

Indeed it does. Hmm, sure makes me look a bit silly now, but indeed, my other points are still valid. Thanks for pointing it out, I edited my posts.

Ok guys please keep the discussion on topic. To refresh the conversation, my two questions were:
1) is there a way to do the controller room without having two people die on switches. This seems to be the most common method. Most people can’t survive standing on the tiny switch because to avoid the massive damage done by the dredge you need to dodge/move
2) why didn’t our tactic of using sanctuary with the bomb path work? I would have thought the sanctuary would have prevented the mobs from picking up the bombs and preventing the detonation, but it didnt work AT ALL.

i cant remeber the time on the bobms but if i remember right its long then it takes to cast the bombs and get the hell out before they explode so you might want to use soemthing else first and use sanctuary after(tho i will surgest ring of warding then instead)

3.Use a thief to stealth up to bomb, shadowstep to the door, place bomb, step back, run the final distance.

4. Have engi place smoke bomb, then all blast finish it, you can quite often get 20s stealth, run bomb to door stealthed then run back with whatever damage mitigation you have.

I love this fractal. There’s so much loot to be had!

My tips:

1. Kill all the dredge you can. Running past or skipping usually results in someone going down.

2. At the beginning of the run, take out the dredge vets guarding the doors.

3. For the center room, you need to be sneaky. The trick here is to take out the dredge on either the right or left side. Don’t aggro the the side you’re not aiming to clear and do not press any buttons when inside. Wait until you clear half the room and then get your group re-organized and prepared for button activation. You can do this because clearing one side, without pressing a button or extra aggro, will not trigger any spawns. So you get a breather.

You then decide who does what. It’s best to have a bunker/tanker type to kite around. It’s relatively easy to keep mobs off of the personal using the device, as long as they’re geared up properly and can attack any spawns that appear around that person.

That’s about it. Getting through the dome is the hardest part, imo.

Your plan for the Control Panel sounds painful. What my Guild does (though we only run level 10) is kill the first group of dredge in the room, have 2 get on the buttons, 1 on console, and 2 defending the console person from the 1-2 dredge that spawn

Grok Krog.9581:

Your plan for the Control Panel sounds painful. What my Guild does (though we only run level 10) is kill the first group of dredge in the room, have 2 get on the buttons, 1 on console, and 2 defending the console person from the 1-2 dredge that spawn

Having 2 people “defend” won’t really work at fractal 48. Your only option is to have the Guardians kite to keep the dredge away from the controller. Watch Strife’s video to see how this is done.

all of this fractal is about 1 thing…
Abuse professoin skills to avoid every sort of aggro…

You can do that with some combinations….
That will at least avoid wasting time on bombs and cage.

LordByron.8369:

all of this fractal is about 1 thing…
Abuse professoin skills to avoid every sort of aggro…

You can do that with some combinations….
That will at least avoid wasting time on bombs and cage.

because dying and damaging your AR score is of course time saving