Guild Wars 2

Ok, this is not gonna be pretty. I apologize in advance for very hard subjective opinion. I also apologize for english that might not be 100% correct.

I only do fractals in this game. My MP and AP is horribly low cause of that. Sometimes I take a beating for it, but mostly it’s all fun and games. I take that back. It WAS all fun and games untill Arkk came into my life.

“How hard can it be” I said, not knowing my mind was delusional. 1 day of wiping passed. The one shot abilities started to get to me, but just slightly.

2 days of wiping and I realized Arkk started to come to me at night. The evil little midget starred at me grinning “I WILL NEVER DIE!”

After 3 days of wiping I made a decision. I no longer have the privilige to sleep. If i wanted this kill, and oh I wanted it more than a person stuck i Sahara wants a glass of water, I needed to pull an all nighter.

This is where things got bad, really bad. And I can tell you I am normally a “refined player” when it comes to raging. I just don’t do it. My old, experienced soul tells me that it the wrong path. Instead I try to encourage and sooth ppl, never giving up my faith in humanity.

Everything, including the %$#@ humanity was lost on that 4th night! I played the game so long I started to think Arkk was in my hallway. He wasn’t grinning though, no he was LAUGHING his pants off at us! At 3 AM I slipped on my Yoga carpet when getting a glass of water. I fell hard, almost broke my arm, and spilled water all over my keyboard.

My first thought was “Ah sh#t, they pulled!!” The sound from the Chronos clock-ability rang in my head. I cleaned my keyboard in what must have been world record time. Then I was game again. By now, I had started to randomly shout IRL. Not realizing I wasn’t on TS.

And so at 5 AM the frase all fun and games forever died for me. My keyboard freaked out. It started to change weapons, use long CD skills on random etc. I tried typing some kind of explanation. It came out as “KGFJKNDRJB”.

Shaking and biting my lips I looked at the PC power button. Then I pressed it hard, pretending it was Arkks nose.

Either I am horrible player or new 100CM is horrible. Either way I’m never playing this game again. I don’t care how cute the new mount bunny is.

Feel free to have opinions about this. Other Arkk ragestorys would maybe make me feel a bit better.

Oh geez, the newest content added to the game with the intent of being challenging can’t be beaten by rolling your face on the keyboard! How dare they!

For the record, I haven’t killed Arkk on the CM yet either. We’re doing it with some guildies when we have some spare time and we’re making steady progress. It’s not that hard.

Feanor.2358:

Oh geez, the newest content added to the game with the intent of being challenging can’t be beaten by rolling your face on the keyboard! How dare they!

For the record, I haven’t killed Arkk on the CM yet either. We’re doing it with some guildies when we have some spare time and we’re making steady progress. It’s not that hard.

Ty for your opinion. Let me be clear on one thing. I don’t raid. I simply don’t have the time. But imo I am a good fractal player. 99cm is easy for me. Also I play to have fun, and Arkk is not my idea of fun. I understand some ppl like the challange and big gz to them. But having a pulse of constant 200 is not my cup if tea.

Wait for the next patch and the bugfixes within. It should work better then.

^ this and mesmers cant so easily carry ppl in 100cm lile they can on 99cm. 100cm also requires much more focus while 99cm you only focus when theres an attack that the mesmer should distort and you w8 for the word to dodge or to not dodge.

I presonally took a few days break after i perfectly understood the fight because i never runnwitg statics only pugs and i believe 8t was the better call to let the rest learn it abit better

hi ; im an hard fractal player.
Ive a youtube channel on solo/duo t4 , i do some fun thing like lvl40 without armor or maitrin 98 solo with only 1finger.
When cm100 have pop , ive imediatly go on and try to ruch it with all perfect player in my friendlist and Teamspeak.
What a scam…. this fractal just can’t be done… ive pass 6 hours with my elit-team… we have not done the last boss… just impossible.
I have stop gw2 to this moment… and ive come back like , nooo , its just me , we can do it…. lets retry…. we don’t pass the second boss….
After this lot of waste of time , ive do some research about reward , i was thinking something about 300 gold or 5 ascended chest.
Hahahahahahahahahhahaahahaha….
A fractal 10x more difficult than a raid in challange mode , with only a 5player team instead of 10 , but with no reward XD.
Just forget about doing this fractal. I think less than 0.001% of player from gw2 can done this cm100 , they are maybe less than 20 doing this in world.
This fractal is just a troll.
And a last thing , rare ppl who have done it, say they have done it only for title and will never retry this hell… so the more you wait , the less you will found ppl able to doing it.

I have done a good portion of the raid challenge modes..

and have talked with a group of friends who have done all the challenge modes.. and they have not cleared CM for this fractal after trying for days.

To all those people saying.. stop crying, challenge mode isn’t suppose to be easy, seriously shut up.

The goal my friends now have is to do it once and never touch it ever again

Here’s a question;

Should 100 Challenge Mode be doable by anyone and everyone, or those who are willing to spend time learning all intricacies and master all mechanics?

Is it even a challenge mode if I can spend 1-2 hours and become master at it and start facerolling it on daily basis?

Nick.6972:

Here’s a question;

Should 100 Challenge Mode be doable by anyone and everyone, or those who are willing to spend time learning all intricacies and master all mechanics?

Is it even a challenge mode if I can spend 1-2 hours and become master at it and start facerolling it on daily basis?

No..

As long as RNG and luck is determining whether you succeed or not.. it’s not worth it. You can be trained to have the best reaction in the world.. but if you get unlucky and get the bomb then immediately go down and wipe your party some where along the line.

Its not as rng heavy as you imply. Doing the fight miltiple time you get to see how it works and it beecomes rather simple after that.

Also the cm of w4 are kind of a joke.

Gambino.2109:

Nick.6972:

Here’s a question;

Should 100 Challenge Mode be doable by anyone and everyone, or those who are willing to spend time learning all intricacies and master all mechanics?

Is it even a challenge mode if I can spend 1-2 hours and become master at it and start facerolling it on daily basis?

No..

As long as RNG and luck is determining whether you succeed or not.. it’s not worth it. You can be trained to have the best reaction in the world.. but if you get unlucky and get the bomb then immediately go down and wipe your party some where along the line.

If you have best reaction in the world then you won’t go down in the first place.

Zem.4139:

What a scam…. this fractal just can’t be done… ive pass 6 hours with my elit-team… we have not done the last boss… just impossible.

Your elite team needs practice.

Day Trooper.3605:

And then, the next night, I hop on and see someone advertising for a ‘Leaves No Hero Behind’ run. I thought what the heck, let’s try this out.

And whaddya know? We did it! Complete pug run with no voice comms – just a quick chat discussion beforehand with the leader on basic strats (a lot of that was burning down bosses during their last health phases).

Big congrats. Goes to show that if you have the right mix of players things work.

Must be a terrible burn for all the people with organised voice comm and raid practice who haven’t succeeded yet.

My guess is the fractal will fall into place once bugs are fixed and the new elite specialisations are out. Still a great feat finishing it at this point in time.

Keep the faith man!

I was in a similar boat also thinking “When will I ever complete this!?!”. I mean, I knew I would eventually, but seeing lfgs start asking for ‘The Archdesigner’ title did make me feel added pressured to do it soon.

I was also on vacation and couldn’t play the fractal until like 5 days after release, further putting me behind the 8-ball. And I only pug as well.

Then, seemingly out of the blue, I had my first successful run! Now I will say on that run, I don’t think the Arkk floors fell at all, and so obviously that was a huge factor in completing it.

And then, the next night, I hop on and see someone advertising for a ‘Leaves No Hero Behind’ run. I thought what the heck, let’s try this out.

And whaddya know? We did it! Complete pug run with no voice comms – just a quick chat discussion beforehand with the leader on basic strats (a lot of that was burning down bosses during their last health phases).

What’s really nice is how nobody ragequit at the first or subsequent deaths – everyone could tell we had a good group and that we’d eventually get it that night if we just kept going. And indeed we did (on that run, the floors started falling at 40%, and so I feel like we truly earned the achieve.)

And so op, just keep at it and I’m sure your hard work will eventually pay off

(Mods – do you mind moving my post before Cyninja’s directly above? I had to delete/re-post and now it’s out-of-order).

Cyninja.2954:

Zem.4139:

What a scam…. this fractal just can’t be done… ive pass 6 hours with my elit-team… we have not done the last boss… just impossible.

Your elite team needs practice.

Day Trooper.3605:

And then, the next night, I hop on and see someone advertising for a ‘Leaves No Hero Behind’ run. I thought what the heck, let’s try this out.

And whaddya know? We did it! Complete pug run with no voice comms – just a quick chat discussion beforehand with the leader on basic strats (a lot of that was burning down bosses during their last health phases).

Big congrats. Goes to show that if you have the right mix of players things work.

Must be a terrible burn for all the people with organised voice comm and raid practice who haven’t succeeded yet.

My guess is the fractal will fall into place once bugs are fixed and the new elite specialisations are out. Still a great feat finishing it at this point in time.

Many thanks Definitely felt good to do it and definitely possible with the right team and, just as important, the right attitude!

I just wanna say ty for all the answers. The fact that more players hate Arkk makes me hate him more, and in some strange way that feels better. I wish the ability to bomb him back comes in next patch.

If fractals are fun for you, but one particular fractal, at one particular level, with CM isnt..wouldnt a wiser decision be to play the other fractals or levels, etc?

It would be like me quitting GW2 because I dont care for one particular event in one zone.

Ashen.2907:

If fractals are fun for you, but one particular fractal, at one particular level, with CM isnt..wouldnt a wiser decision be to play the other fractals or levels, etc?

It would be like me quitting GW2 because I dont care for one particular event in one zone.

I totally understand and you are probobly right. It is just that my left side hurt since I fell on the floor. I have never let a game dmg me IRL before, both mentally and physically. I am very scared what game developers are turning fractals into and I don’t wanna not be able to join daily runs cause one of them happen to be 100 (Yes, I can clear 100, but I HATE it). Maybe it just burned me out.

Gullig.8796:

Feanor.2358:

Oh geez, the newest content added to the game with the intent of being challenging can’t be beaten by rolling your face on the keyboard! How dare they!

For the record, I haven’t killed Arkk on the CM yet either. We’re doing it with some guildies when we have some spare time and we’re making steady progress. It’s not that hard.

Ty for your opinion. Let me be clear on one thing. I don’t raid. I simply don’t have the time. But imo I am a good fractal player. 99cm is easy for me. Also I play to have fun, and Arkk is not my idea of fun. I understand some ppl like the challange and big gz to them. But having a pulse of constant 200 is not my cup if tea.

You do realize this content is only hard because it is new, right? It will become progressively easier not because it will get played by some uber-skilled raiders, but merely because players will get more familiar with it. Just like Nightmare CM, not every fractal player will be comfortable beating it, just like not every raider is comfortable with CMs in raids for instance. It’s called “challenge mode” after all. That’s the point, giving a challenge to players who seek it. If it’s not your cup of tea, that’s fine. Playing it is optional, right?

If you get too frustrated with it id take a step back, and especially if youve spent countless hours the last few days, take a few days break from this particular fractal.

I envy everyone who has a static group for fractals, as it seems to be almost undoable with pugs atm (not talking about the exp ones that require title+cosmis essences).

Also i feel like 100cm is harder than Matt (wich can be oneshotted by the average pug nowadays) and even Deimos (still well doable with the average pug). I cant really describe what it is, but in those encounters all attacks are so well telegraphed and the whole fight is so clean and coordinated, while in this fractal the fight feels just so chaotic.

Jojo.6140:

If you get too frustrated with it id take a step back, and especially if youve spent countless hours the last few days, take a few days break from this particular fractal.

I envy everyone who has a static group for fractals, as it seems to be almost undoable with pugs atm (not talking about the exp ones that require title+cosmis essences).

Also i feel like 100cm is harder than Matt (wich can be oneshotted by the average pug nowadays) and even Deimos (still well doable with the average pug). I cant really describe what it is, but in those encounters all attacks are so well telegraphed and the whole fight is so clean and coordinated, while in this fractal the fight feels just so chaotic.

Matt has been out for months if not a year and deimos in general is a very simplistic fight with 1 crusial mechanic that you have to be attention to.

I dont believe 100cm is harder than matt (prob its on par with him). But its surely as hard as deimos cm if not harder because theres not 1 attack that will kitten up your group theres multiple of them.

I’ve gotten 16 unstable cosmic essences already and did them all with pugs. RNG and bugs included, I’ve learnt plenty on how to deal with Arkk.

For instance, breaking Arkk’s breakbar while having to dps the anomaly at the same time. Having to wait a while (and probably die) if there is no platform on the anomaly when it appears at < 40%. Or having 3 man insta-down and die on the green circle when Arkk’s enrage icon covers up his orb cannon attacks.

Sure, it is frustrating, but it is part of the game NOW since the bugs are not fixed. But if you feel like you need to ragequit, then you sure need to take a break from it. At this point the pug player base needs time to develop and attune to this new difficulty level. Give it a month or so and people will probably be better off already with learnt mechanics and fixed bugs.

I usually drop if a party is inexperienced at the 3rd boss (regardless if they have title or not), because it takes time to get used to the mechanics and I’ve already spent more than 20 hours on that. No hard feelings, it’s just a learning curve I expect everyone to be going through.

BUT, if everyone is actually doing great and RNG messes us up, I stay for a lot longer and when we get the kill, it’s a bonus. If not, then just drop and do other things. No point feeling bad for yourself, it’s still a challenge essentially.

Benjamin Arnold.3457:

Gullig.8796:

Ashen.2907:

If fractals are fun for you, but one particular fractal, at one particular level, with CM isnt..wouldnt a wiser decision be to play the other fractals or levels, etc?

It would be like me quitting GW2 because I dont care for one particular event in one zone.

I totally understand and you are probobly right. It is just that my left side hurt since I fell on the floor. I have never let a game dmg me IRL before, both mentally and physically. I am very scared what game developers are turning fractals into and I don’t wanna not be able to join daily runs cause one of them happen to be 100 (Yes, I can clear 100, but I HATE it). Maybe it just burned me out.

I understand the frustration you feel. Sometimes it is best to just put it down and take a breather. We don’t build these experiences intending to cause people physical or mental anguish, but we understand that everyone has different opinions and emotions and will react to things differently. And obviously, the bugs are just plain frustrating.

When I find myself failing at a particularly difficult challenge, I’ve learned over the years that the more angry or frustrated I get, the worse I do, and then the more angry I get, and then it is just a self perpetuating cycle that leaves me feeling terrible. These days I have been trying much harder to realize when I’m starting to get frustrated, when my emotions are clouding my judgement and causing my blood to pump too fast. In those times I try to take a deep breath and calm down, and either walk away from the game for a day, or try again with renewed vigor and concentration.

Remember that it isn’t about the rewards, it is about the experience of the journey and the self improvement that always comes with overcoming a difficult challenge, and not every challenge can be completed in a day, or even a week or a month. The hard things in life are what make us stronger people.

Fractals are supposed to be repeatable. Colin Johansson kept using the word ‘metrics, metrics metrics’. Of one thing i’m certain. Your metrics have a ton of people doing (no CM) t4 fractal runs every day. What your metrics will see is that a lot of player, STRAIGHT OUT ignore nightmare. I still manage. What you still notice is that if there no ‘hidden secrets to combo out against the boss’ kind of things, coming soon (wich i doubt), then this boss will be by definition worse then Vale guardian/gorseval for me. And it’s a ‘insert shouting word’ fractal… FRACTAL. If you made a very rare to do ever T5 fractal (no extra loot, apart from title), and normally T4 for eternity to not be harder then 110% as hard as nightmare. I would be happy (and many peopl). The problem is, you are kiling the repeatability. And guess what? In all this toxic, over the top overpowered bosses, mechanics, instant kick cause no experience via lfg kinds of things, I was overwhelmed by how good the instance felt. It’s a true fractal story, myself kitten ed. Totally not expected. Except… you need better then raid composition/skills/execution/lag toleration to do it. Also will you please disconnect CM from normal t4 rewards. Because people can combine them, all the ‘do all raids every week with the same 10 ppl, not allowing anyone to join ever’ teams, that need +1 are filling lfg non stop, with insane requirements, making the ‘non CM’ crowd smaller, and the ‘i quit nightmare and Arkhh forever’ crowd bigger. If they had to repeat in t4 for loot, this would be much better. Cause then those people can do their own instance, but would not steal away from the t4 daily repeat crowd.

Anyway Anet (pretty much) killed dungeons. Fractals is the new dungeon. And now (a feature of dungeons, and supposedly of fractals) is killed: repeatability.

‘but but you can do lvl 25-75’. No. Loot is not worth it. Repeting it, is thus not worth it. Also it’s proven on forums lvl 25, almost acts as lvl 100 cause mechanic spam. So why do almost lootless fractal, while it’s time consuming? There’s a lot of time consuming stuff in gw2 (if you want it). And T4 (master chest) has 95% of the loot chance of something good. Expert level only 5%. So no i will not every play lvl 75 again except for a guildie to teach him, level him up. Repeatability? No. Also Raids are much more acceptable to loose (no victory) then fractals. You even get few magnetite shard for attempt, so it’s clearly made for ‘try hard, and maybe fail’. Fractals does not really have that. It’s win or loose. Worth it or not worth it. Fun or no fun. If worth it, possible to win, and fun to play are there, then it’s by definition repeatable.

Another reason this is happening (no offence mean, but it’s a fact – no good or bad). All devs are less nerdy then in the past. Have more children then in past, and work more ‘from a casual player’ perspective. Once the tasks comes to make raids. They simply are not good enough themselfs to be the ‘test people’. So its all external info that comes into the game to verify. Nothing comes from Anet themself. They don’t play enough to draw conclusions. (anymore). Gw1 was much better in this respect. The people who made it adorred it, and played it to hell. And you felt it in the execution, playability/how hard something was, but still possible to learn. I’ll give an example. The skull on Visaastra has no sound, not a clear one at least. For such a ‘multiple party wipe mechanics’ boss, that is so distracting, we need a groundlevel for mechanic memory. Sound is perfect for that. In many fractals, it’s the sound, that after midnight, keeps my half awake state still playing properly, with proper reflex. If you succesfully with a random comp would have killed Arkh and Visaastra. you would know this. Feel obligated to do it. But you don’t. Cause you blindly listen to metrics/feedback. Wich is chaotic, and whathever you conclude to execute, it might not always be the ’what’s best for most players’ thing (wich gw1 did a lot better).

In conclusion: Please stop blindly trusting metrics, and game sales, and hardcore player feedback (or casual feedback for that matter). You should strive for a much better ‘the golden middle’ approach. Fractals is loosing that big time.

And before ‘insert name’ thinks this is a flame, nope. It’s a feedback/wake up call, that something (in my opinion) is going very downhill.

Making the cms a t5 without reqards would kill the replayabulity. The fact that you can kill two birds with one stone if you want to run the cm of a daily t4 is really good. If some ppl can tdo the cm they can do the normal and if some ppl can do the ck they dont need to waste time doing the fractal twice.

I believe the t4 is in a good spot. That can be argued and in alot of ppl’s minds it might need a nerf. Idk if the devs believe normal 100 should be nerf then sure. But the cm mode should remain the same minus the bugs.

The cm rewards are really good for the effort ppl put in and ot exists outside the t4 rotation. The fact that its harder than raids is not the cm’s problem its the raid teams problem for delivering underwhelming bosses.

Im honestly speechless how ppl still fail skulls. Theres a huge ring that apreas then someone get the skull on them and then a message on their screen apears telling them " you have the bomb go to the safezone".

today i tried 100. i did it , it was fun then i thought i should try 100CM and i did it it took me 5+hrs with pugs and finnaly killed arkk. btw i was power ps warr.

They still dont fix Thaumanova Fractal boss teleporting bug and release new fractal, Oh My Gosh

Toan.7326:

They still dont fix Thaumanova Fractal boss teleporting bug and release new fractal, Oh My Gosh

The bug wasnt long before the 100cm if it even was itroduced before.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Benjamin Arnold.3457:

Gullig.8796:

Ashen.2907:

If fractals are fun for you, but one particular fractal, at one particular level, with CM isnt..wouldnt a wiser decision be to play the other fractals or levels, etc?

It would be like me quitting GW2 because I dont care for one particular event in one zone.

I totally understand and you are probobly right. It is just that my left side hurt since I fell on the floor. I have never let a game dmg me IRL before, both mentally and physically. I am very scared what game developers are turning fractals into and I don’t wanna not be able to join daily runs cause one of them happen to be 100 (Yes, I can clear 100, but I HATE it). Maybe it just burned me out.

I understand the frustration you feel. Sometimes it is best to just put it down and take a breather. We don’t build these experiences intending to cause people physical or mental anguish, but we understand that everyone has different opinions and emotions and will react to things differently. And obviously, the bugs are just plain frustrating.

When I find myself failing at a particularly difficult challenge, I’ve learned over the years that the more angry or frustrated I get, the worse I do, and then the more angry I get, and then it is just a self perpetuating cycle that leaves me feeling terrible. These days I have been trying much harder to realize when I’m starting to get frustrated, when my emotions are clouding my judgement and causing my blood to pump too fast. In those times I try to take a deep breath and calm down, and either walk away from the game for a day, or try again with renewed vigor and concentration.

Remember that it isn’t about the rewards, it is about the experience of the journey and the self improvement that always comes with overcoming a difficult challenge, and not every challenge can be completed in a day, or even a week or a month. The hard things in life are what make us stronger people.

Fractals are supposed to be repeatable. Colin Johansson kept using the word ‘metrics, metrics metrics’. Of one thing i’m certain. Your metrics have a ton of people doing (no CM) t4 fractal runs every day. What your metrics will see is that a lot of player, STRAIGHT OUT ignore nightmare. I still manage. What you still notice is that if there no ‘hidden secrets to combo out against the boss’ kind of things, coming soon (wich i doubt), then this boss will be by definition worse then Vale guardian/gorseval for me. And it’s a ‘insert shouting word’ fractal… FRACTAL. If you made a very rare to do ever T5 fractal (no extra loot, apart from title), and normally T4 for eternity to not be harder then 110% as hard as nightmare. I would be happy (and many peopl). The problem is, you are kiling the repeatability. And guess what? In all this toxic, over the top overpowered bosses, mechanics, instant kick cause no experience via lfg kinds of things, I was overwhelmed by how good the instance felt. It’s a true fractal story, myself kitten ed. Totally not expected. Except… you need better then raid composition/skills/execution/lag toleration to do it. Also will you please disconnect CM from normal t4 rewards. Because people can combine them, all the ‘do all raids every week with the same 10 ppl, not allowing anyone to join ever’ teams, that need +1 are filling lfg non stop, with insane requirements, making the ‘non CM’ crowd smaller, and the ‘i quit nightmare and Arkhh forever’ crowd bigger. If they had to repeat in t4 for loot, this would be much better. Cause then those people can do their own instance, but would not steal away from the t4 daily repeat crowd.

Anyway Anet (pretty much) killed dungeons. Fractals is the new dungeon. And now (a feature of dungeons, and supposedly of fractals) is killed: repeatability.

‘but but you can do lvl 25-75’. No. Loot is not worth it. Repeting it, is thus not worth it. Also it’s proven on forums lvl 25, almost acts as lvl 100 cause mechanic spam. So why do almost lootless fractal, while it’s time consuming? There’s a lot of time consuming stuff in gw2 (if you want it). And T4 (master chest) has 95% of the loot chance of something good. Expert level only 5%. So no i will not every play lvl 75 again except for a guildie to teach him, level him up. Repeatability? No. Also Raids are much more acceptable to loose (no victory) then fractals. You even get few magnetite shard for attempt, so it’s clearly made for ‘try hard, and maybe fail’. Fractals does not really have that. It’s win or loose. Worth it or not worth it. Fun or no fun. If worth it, possible to win, and fun to play are there, then it’s by definition repeatable.

If the non-cm crowd is smaller than the cm group than you just disproved your own text. Most people that play T4 on a regular basis are fine doing Nightmare CM and it will happen to Observatory too when people get more comfortable and the bugs are fixed.

How did you gain access to their metrics? Or do you make up facts and the metrics from ArenaNet show the exact opposite?

Wanting loot does not warrant a nerf only because you can’t do it. You can use the same argument for normal nightmare and observatory. People who can play their CMs will never do normal for the daily as the loot there is not worth it. Where did you get those percentages from? Personal experience doesn’t count.

You can also just create your own group.

Toan.7326:

They still dont fix Thaumanova Fractal boss teleporting bug and release new fractal, Oh My Gosh

Those fixes will likely roll out on Tuesday.

3 daily t4= 30min. 50min with a casual team with some long fractal.
cm100 as daily ? 6hours with furious no-life player elit perfect player is not enought to done it.
so…. if you have a job , you just don’t have enought time to done it. care of your wife , children and job , etc…. and anet ask you more than 6 hours for nothing. no reward to do this miracle ( if you done it ,like less than 0.001% of player from gw2 done it ).
So sorry for ppl who have a job this fractal is not for you.
Anet care only for ppl who have not a job and have time to pass whole life to do cm100. thanks. and still if you have more than 6hours/day to give to a single fractal who don’t give reward , it doesn’t mean you will pass.

Zem.4139:

so…. if you have a job , you just don’t have enought time to done it. care of your wife , children and job , etc…. and anet ask you more than 6 hours for nothing. no reward to do this miracle ( if you done it ,like less than 0.001% of player from gw2 done it ).
So sorry for ppl who have a job this fractal is not for you.
Anet care only for ppl who have not a job and have time to pass whole life to do cm100. thanks. and still if you have more than 6hours/day to give to a single fractal who don’t give reward , it doesn’t mean you will pass.

As a grown man of 30+ years I tell you: It’s ok. This is just a game. Let it go. If you can’t make it/invest the time what’s the problem?
Enjoy the real life, hug your wive, play with your kids, show them to be a good father, care about friends, about your parents. Don’t let a fractal dictate your life.
(And just wait some weeks till bugs are fixed and players got more used to it.)

Benjamin Arnold.3457:

Gullig.8796:

Ashen.2907:

If fractals are fun for you, but one particular fractal, at one particular level, with CM isnt..wouldnt a wiser decision be to play the other fractals or levels, etc?

It would be like me quitting GW2 because I dont care for one particular event in one zone.

I totally understand and you are probobly right. It is just that my left side hurt since I fell on the floor. I have never let a game dmg me IRL before, both mentally and physically. I am very scared what game developers are turning fractals into and I don’t wanna not be able to join daily runs cause one of them happen to be 100 (Yes, I can clear 100, but I HATE it). Maybe it just burned me out.

I understand the frustration you feel. Sometimes it is best to just put it down and take a breather. We don’t build these experiences intending to cause people physical or mental anguish, but we understand that everyone has different opinions and emotions and will react to things differently. And obviously, the bugs are just plain frustrating.

When I find myself failing at a particularly difficult challenge, I’ve learned over the years that the more angry or frustrated I get, the worse I do, and then the more angry I get, and then it is just a self perpetuating cycle that leaves me feeling terrible. These days I have been trying much harder to realize when I’m starting to get frustrated, when my emotions are clouding my judgement and causing my blood to pump too fast. In those times I try to take a deep breath and calm down, and either walk away from the game for a day, or try again with renewed vigor and concentration.

Remember that it isn’t about the rewards, it is about the experience of the journey and the self improvement that always comes with overcoming a difficult challenge, and not every challenge can be completed in a day, or even a week or a month. The hard things in life are what make us stronger people.

This is my first ever post to this forum and I didn’t know game developers answered questions. Big credit to you for that.

Also, I want to thank you for all the wonderful time I had in all the other fractals. Chaos and Nightmare being my absolute favorites. Music in Nightmare last segment is amazing.

Also ty for the feedback. I guess my problem is time and the fun factor. I don’t have, as more people have pointed out, time to spend wiping and wiping again for hours. I got a job and family. As for the fun – this is only a subjective opinion and I hope other people find Arkk fun.

Ashen.2907:

If fractals are fun for you, but one particular fractal, at one particular level, with CM isnt..wouldnt a wiser decision be to play the other fractals or levels, etc?

That fractal is really bad for any level and mode. I know that it’s the one fractal daily i will definitely pass on. The satisfaction that comes from finishing it is just not worth the frustration it causes.

Benjamin Arnold.3457:

Remember that it isn’t about the rewards, it is about the experience of the journey and the self improvement that always comes with overcoming a difficult challenge, and not every challenge can be completed in a day, or even a week or a month. The hard things in life are what make us stronger people.

That’s the problem. Not everyone plays games to become “stronger people”. Most play them just to unwind. GW2 lately starts to strongly switch the game emphasis from the latter to the former, which obviously will leave many players discontent.

Also, in this case, the “experience of the journey” is just way too painful. Which is a shame, because visually and storywise that fractal is really good.

Astralporing.1957:

That fractal is really bad for any level and mode. I know that it’s the one fractal daily i will definitely pass on. The satisfaction that comes from finishing it is just not worth the frustration it causes.

I have to disagree. Normal mode level 100 is just another daily fractal. I would much prefer it to, say, Underground Facility which is long, tedious and features Toxic Trails.

I agree to Feanor. T4 100 is already on farm for the usual fractal crowd and it’s roughly 2 weeks after release.
It was the same thing for Swamp back in the days. The whining was huge and quite a few players were stating “If this one is T4 daily I’ll pass that.” Look at today, even with bad pugs it’s easily doable if 2-3 players know about the mechanics and carry the rest to success.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but as far as I know, CM has never been requirement to complete daily.

Eh, I run regular T4 nightmare, it’s not horrifying with pugs but not CM. Not good enough to carry.
But to avoid this “ragequit” problems I just skip new fractal as I don’t want to spend an hour+ on something that normally suppose to take, like, 20 minutes top (and I guess non-pro pugs are similar, especially when you get level 25 as recommended: ha-ha, nope, nope, nope).

Maybe once there’s a guide for normal pugs that doesn’t involve a raid group level participants. Until then I have one less fractal to run

Perhaps it’d be better in new fractal was in category of its own? T5. And move CM versions and further new fractals there too?

Benjamin Arnold.3457:

Bugabuga.9721:

Perhaps it’d be better in new fractal was in category of its own? T5. And move CM versions and further new fractals there too?

We don’t want to make a Tier 5. Players historically all try to concentrate in the highest tier, and adding another one just means further spreading out the player base,. Eventually they will all end up in Tier 5 anyways, it just requires even more progression and hard work to get to the end. We feel like T4 is good for “max difficulty” and CM’s allow us to add another layer of challenge for hardcore players without requiring us to make T5 versions of every fractal.

If I may add: CMs are more interesting and fun way to add extra challenge, at least for me. I’d take more or more complex mechanics over plain hp/damage buff to the enemies any time.

Benjamin Arnold.3457:

Bugabuga.9721:

Perhaps it’d be better in new fractal was in category of its own? T5. And move CM versions and further new fractals there too?

We don’t want to make a Tier 5. Players historically all try to concentrate in the highest tier, and adding another one just means further spreading out the player base,. Eventually they will all end up in Tier 5 anyways, it just requires even more progression and hard work to get to the end. We feel like T4 is good for “max difficulty” and CM’s allow us to add another layer of challenge for hardcore players without requiring us to make T5 versions of every fractal.

Hi Benjamin,
on more of a sidenote of expanding fractals: Does the fractal team already have a plan on how to handle more than 25 different fractals? Is it intended to eliminate duplicate islands from each tier? Because I find it interesting that you have a choice among certain instabilities, depending on what build you run. Will you then expand he system beyond Scale 100?

Benjamin Arnold.3457:

hornswroggle.8023:

Benjamin Arnold.3457:

Bugabuga.9721:

Perhaps it’d be better in new fractal was in category of its own? T5. And move CM versions and further new fractals there too?

We don’t want to make a Tier 5. Players historically all try to concentrate in the highest tier, and adding another one just means further spreading out the player base,. Eventually they will all end up in Tier 5 anyways, it just requires even more progression and hard work to get to the end. We feel like T4 is good for “max difficulty” and CM’s allow us to add another layer of challenge for hardcore players without requiring us to make T5 versions of every fractal.

Hi Benjamin,
on more of a sidenote of expanding fractals: Does the fractal team already have a plan on how to handle more than 25 different fractals? Is it intended to eliminate duplicate islands from each tier? Because I find it interesting that you have a choice among certain instabilities, depending on what build you run. Will you then expand he system beyond Scale 100?

We will cross that bridge if and when we come to it. I don’t think we would want more than 100 scales, but we might alter the system such that more than one fractal can exist at one scale. It would involve heavy UI and systems changes for sure. We have plenty of time to come up with solutions.

Well said! I also like the idea of having multiples on the same scale (almost like when it was random like in the very beginning)
Thanks for the super-quick answer.

Astralporing.1957:

Ashen.2907:

If fractals are fun for you, but one particular fractal, at one particular level, with CM isnt..wouldnt a wiser decision be to play the other fractals or levels, etc?

That fractal is really bad for any level and mode. I know that it’s the one fractal daily i will definitely pass on. The satisfaction that comes from finishing it is just not worth the frustration it causes.

Benjamin Arnold.3457:

Remember that it isn’t about the rewards, it is about the experience of the journey and the self improvement that always comes with overcoming a difficult challenge, and not every challenge can be completed in a day, or even a week or a month. The hard things in life are what make us stronger people.

That’s the problem. Not everyone plays games to become “stronger people”. Most play them just to unwind. GW2 lately starts to strongly switch the game emphasis from the latter to the former, which obviously will leave many players discontent.

Also, in this case, the “experience of the journey” is just way too painful. Which is a shame, because visually and storywise that fractal is really good.

Or downright unable to play because Anet has turned it into an amalgam of Dark Souls and Crash Bandicoot instead of the pick-up-and-play MMORPG it set out to be.

Kittens forbid a challenge mote actually presents a challenge. What a world we live in…

Reward kinda ….. Not the same lvl as the challenge tho :p

Gulling.. don’t let this break you. Do other stuff and play other thing in the game .. or maybe come back again later when most ppl master it better.. we used to do 100cm for holo dancer and the core where I can sell for gold. But later stop doing it.. don’t hv the patience for it. And the effort.
Oh btw

Dessa is Arkk’s mom?? ol

This is off-topic, but does anyone else still find it weird that Devs pretty actively post in these forums? It felt like we were in the dark ages for a long time…

Benjamin Arnold.3457:

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Your metrics have a ton of people doing (no CM) t4 fractal runs every day. What your metrics will see is that a lot of player, STRAIGHT OUT ignore nightmare. I still manage.

It was hard for me to follow some of what you said, but I can tell you that our metrics show that T4 nightmare is run just as much as any other T4 fractal, often more. And on days where it isn’t a daily, thanks to CM it is run much more than any other non daily fractal. In total we get more nightmare instances than other fractals at tier 4. (Obv 40 farm is the most but it is T2).

Lemme fix it then for you. CM that does not require druid and chrono and cps (i straight out ignore those runs, unless i magically know they are not elitist), is very rare. Also, Metrics or no metrics, I force you to watch the daily panel (EU) for 5 hours. You will see on nightmare dailies LOADS of people doing two fractals (the two that are not nightmare). On other days full T4 runs are much more common. Metrics are not this would mean, that almost every raid person, that also rarely fractals, does nightmare CM and Arkk CM when they are bored. So basically cause raids are not quickly enough produced, and you concluded my metrics that raid people love hard fractals, you made some fractals into raid state.

I am of the opinion, fractals should be fractals, and raid raids. If you wanna spoil raid people, make 20 raids a year, but leave fractals alone.

Your suggestion: Don’t d CM Arkk. Don’t make me laugh. Seriously. I avoided it as the pest cause i knew it would be out of my league so l already tried normal. Guess what with 5 people that play well but ABSOLUTELY are not meta (just a correct build that can do any not CM fractal), we couldnt even get past a pre-boss. And after deep analize, ‘are we that bad, is their a secret like in CM we will learn in future to survive better’? Conclusion: 90% certain: No. In Nightmare there is the aoe marker on the second last boss that looks innocent, but summons a very annoying elite add. That’s a secret you learn after 10-20 times. And make suddenly all the way easier. Visaastra is to chaotic for ‘easy’ ‘tactical overcoming’ her power. For instance, all adds case lightning beam. Even as a thief (i tested in on purpose) spamming all dodges of the world (until i was dry out, but party was half dead, so was good moment to test), Even with all that amount of dodge power (wich should be insane, other classes have only half, or less amount of dodges), I took 9000 lightning beam damage, cause of the big amount of adds AND enrage that triggers on all of them. I also had lots of interrupts and blinds going. All useless.

Same for the teleport to ‘Iceball mechanic’ (i have no better word for it), with special action key. It looks ok. Aegis sound insanely save to execute. Wrong. lightning beam spam, and aoe under you, make that one lightning beam coming tru (very easy), make that you 100% certain get an explosion of visaastra on you. If you port to next one and next. You have a high probability that even with a high skill cap you won’t survive the explosions.

So all these people talking it’s easy like hell, i can only conclude they are addicted (rely an insane amount on) Druid and Chrono heal/support spam. That already pre-concludes the new elite specs won’t put a dent in the fractal meta, and will make it even more boring. Groups that use Chrono/druid to succes (non CM version) are in my opinions non ethical enough to be able to call on this forum the opinion ‘this fractal is easy’. Ofc it’s easy. This profession combo, doubles overall your survivability and effectiveness. Other fractals (even nightmare now) do not rely on the druid/chrono meta. I still need to see proof, that Arkk is similar.

Another thing that comes to mind. At start of nightmare, not everyone had fractal potions. Now everyone serious has them. I remember being very mad for the dodge heavy pressure of last boss, when i only had two dodges; I needed to equip vigor to survive. With the potion the fractal got easier. We got powercreep to counter the harder fractal.

This is not the cast for Arkk. There is no powercreep left, and you now sort of require another +1 dodge in Visaastra (and Arkk to from what i’ve seen on youtube). That means 4 dodges on a 10 second interval. Yes you can kill 1 dodge with druid heal spam. Yes classes like warrior that can use GS3 basically also have +1 dodge. But what about revenant? What about necromancer? They fall off?

Also if nightmare is up (or even isnt and ppl want to do it), it’s always same. 3/5 LFG, experienced, unclean, and guess what druid or chrono. Or one of them in a 4/5. So it’s kinda hard to believe your metrics, when for 50 min, no druid can be found for most nightmare CM’s. I should just fraps EU lfg as proof, but since you can do that yourself i’ll give you the honour.

Druid+chrono twists reality. Any good combination of 5 people, no matter the class, and overall build as long as it’s dps focussed (so no soldier gear), can do all fractals t4, except Arkk, and perhaps nightmare. Druid+chrono doesn’t make ‘Arkk easy to do’. It make it easy to do in a boring, repetive, and non fun meta, that require to many people that don’t want/like it, to play those classes.