Guild Wars 2

Hello, I am new player to this game. I run levels 50, 40, 30 everyday. I am very disappointed about droprate of fractal weapons. Everytime I got a weapon, it was either speargun(5x) or torch(3x). It would be cool if I could exchange those for other weapons I want. I think this would make me happier and also buy more gems.

There are people who did Fractals since it was released almost 2 years ago, and still don’t have the weapon they want. Besides, I am sure they nerfed it since the Fractured patch, so I wouldn’t expect Anet to improve them anytime soon…if at all.

I’m not going to say 2 years because i spent 3 months lvling my main, but in 1.5 years of running fractals i got staff, trident, speargun,spear, rifle, hammer, two shortbows, longbow, sword and a torch. I run only with my ele and i was hoping for dagger, scepter and focus. Nuff said.

Your response saddens me, I feel something has to be done about this.

But on the bright side, all my alts are fully fractal skinned, even underwater weapons.

To be honest I would be fine with reverting the drop rates to how they were Pre-Fractured patch. I got one every second of third run. Not that I complain though, since I actually got the last skin I needed on the day they announced that patch.

New player at fractal level 50? Wow the new player experience must be better than we thought!

Yes an exchange of fractal skins, perhaps paying with pristine relics, seems a perfectly reasonable idea.

Welcome to the club friend.

Been doing fractals since they came out – pretty much farmed them till I got my Longbow.

Best advice? Keep at it if you have the nerve. I don’t see an improvement coming soon. It’s been a while and I fear FOTM has been abandoned.

Just run it casually every few days and it might not seem so terrible.

The fact is most veteran fractal players got their skins before the “Fractured” update which really destroyed the drop rates. Before that you actually had decent and good drop rates.

After that I had to run FOTM daily ( or almost daily ) for almost 8 months to get my skin. So yeah.

If you are looking for fractal skins, the drop rates seem to have been repaired as mentioned in recent update notes. I can confirm this, I got not a single fractal weapon since the “fractured” update (3 previously, from where 2 were duplicates unfortunately), but I got 3 weapons after the recent update (again 2 duplicates).

In total, in about 1.5 years of advanced fractal runs I got 6 fractal weapons, but only 4 different skins. Did fractals about 4-5 times a week for the whole time (I can show you a stack a stack of pristine fractal relics). From all 4 skins, I have use for 2 skins. The other skins are rotting in my wardrobe.

2 skins to show after 1.5 years.

With the red posts in this subforum lately, has there ever been a recent non-moderator red post about fractal drops?

Sorry Phil, welcome to the club. While I haven’t looked at the new drop rates that some of the guilds keep track of, this has been a huge sore spot for many of us. I once ran 78 fractals without seeing anything more than a ring.

First rule of Fractals:You don’t talk about Fractals.

P.s. Be thankful you weren’t here when they reset all our levels to 30 and told us about fractal leaderboards and fractal weapon skin chests. Oh wait, fractal skin chests are in the game, just starting at lv 51+

Fractal reset!
Never forget!
:(

DaveGan.8065:

With the red posts in this subforum lately, has there ever been a recent non-moderator red post about fractal drops?

I don’t think so, but if there was, I’ll summarize it for you:

We’re listening, keep up the discussion! We’re aware of the situation and nothing is off the table!

you arent new if you do 50s bro

Phil.7903:

Hello, I am new player to this game. I run levels 50, 40, 30 everyday. I am very disappointed about droprate of fractal weapons. Everytime I got a weapon, it was either speargun(5x) or torch(3x). It would be cool if I could exchange those for other weapons I want. I think this would make me happier and also buy more gems.

You’re late to the game, son!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18IHVJao5j85KOp6lBTOgO8qs4VYD3Xty-jKPZo8o-Q4/pubhtml

Enjoy the tears that have been shed while creating this spreadsheet.
And it used to be much worse…

Oh, apparently i have a pistol also, discovered it today while i was equiping my thief. Maybe i have some more skins i forgot about that are not scepter, focus or dagger.

Harper.4173:

Fractal reset!
Never forget!
:(

You called?

I haven’t set my foot in fractal in a year since the reset day so how the fractal leaderboards going? Still collecting information?

SkyChef.5432:

I haven’t set my foot in fractal in a year since the reset day so how the fractal leaderboards going? Still collecting information?

I hope you’re joking. Otherwise get ready to rage.

Sorry to hear that, but its very typical. The droprates are broken and the devs don’t care about this part of the game(fractals/dungeons) to fix them. Its unfortunate but its true. And im not exaggerating, this is the case completely theyve almost said it in word.

i did some exploration and found out that before patch i got: staff, sword, torch, two shortbows, longbow, pistol, rifle, spear, harpoon gun and a hammer.

post patch: trident and shield.

have in mind that pre patch time lasted about little more then a year (i think the patch came around january, maybe february this year) and post patch till now, sooo… around 9-10 months.

you do the math how much drop rates changed.

Oxidia.8103:

i did some exploration and found out that before patch i got: staff, sword, torch, two shortbows, longbow, pistol, rifle, spear, harpoon gun and a hammer.

post patch: trident and shield.

have in mind that pre patch time lasted about little more then a year (i think the patch came around january, maybe february this year) and post patch till now, sooo… around 9-10 months.

you do the math how much drop rates changed.

the math is missing a very important piece of info.. your pre and post pristine counts

insanemaniac.2456:

Oxidia.8103:

i did some exploration and found out that before patch i got: staff, sword, torch, two shortbows, longbow, pistol, rifle, spear, harpoon gun and a hammer.

post patch: trident and shield.

have in mind that pre patch time lasted about little more then a year (i think the patch came around january, maybe february this year) and post patch till now, sooo… around 9-10 months.

you do the math how much drop rates changed.

the math is missing a very important piece of info.. your pre and post pristine counts

Are you talking about pristine relics? I am pretty sure the sole difference was that you could only get them on Fractals 10+ on even levels. I highly doubt anyone does such a low Fractal on a daily basis anyway.

NeoVaris.4806:

insanemaniac.2456:

Oxidia.8103:

i did some exploration and found out that before patch i got: staff, sword, torch, two shortbows, longbow, pistol, rifle, spear, harpoon gun and a hammer.

post patch: trident and shield.

have in mind that pre patch time lasted about little more then a year (i think the patch came around january, maybe february this year) and post patch till now, sooo… around 9-10 months.

you do the math how much drop rates changed.

the math is missing a very important piece of info.. your pre and post pristine counts

Are you talking about pristine relics? I am pretty sure the sole difference was that you could only get them on Fractals 10+ on even levels. I highly doubt anyone does such a low Fractal on a daily basis anyway.

yes but more generally im asking about how frequently hes been running. he said nothing about daily runs. just that he got like 10 weapons in a year and 2 weapons in the next 10 months. how am i supposed to know if he ran 50 times in the year and 10 times in the 10 months? cuz then the drop rate would be about the same, but his interest in running fractals dropped significantly.

insanemaniac.2456:

NeoVaris.4806:

insanemaniac.2456:

Oxidia.8103:

i did some exploration and found out that before patch i got: staff, sword, torch, two shortbows, longbow, pistol, rifle, spear, harpoon gun and a hammer.

post patch: trident and shield.

have in mind that pre patch time lasted about little more then a year (i think the patch came around january, maybe february this year) and post patch till now, sooo… around 9-10 months.

you do the math how much drop rates changed.

the math is missing a very important piece of info.. your pre and post pristine counts

Are you talking about pristine relics? I am pretty sure the sole difference was that you could only get them on Fractals 10+ on even levels. I highly doubt anyone does such a low Fractal on a daily basis anyway.

yes but more generally im asking about how frequently hes been running. he said nothing about daily runs. just that he got like 10 weapons in a year and 2 weapons in the next 10 months. how am i supposed to know if he ran 50 times in the year and 10 times in the 10 months? cuz then the drop rate would be about the same, but his interest in running fractals dropped significantly.

I had about stack before the patch, no idea about the exact numbers and got all of the skins pre patch (including multiple Hammers and Shields). Only got 2 since the patch (Dagger and Trident).

My smartphone refuses to quote so, sorry insanemaniac.

I remember when i was lvling my fractals, on lvl 15 ish dropped a ring on my main. My first weapon, hammer, dropped od 30+. Then i got second and third ring on my ranger because i was lvling my rangers fractals for some reason ( progress was not acc wide then), did the same with my warr, but dropped nothing special.

Anyway, pre patch runs were maybe twice a week. I liked fractals but since it took a while to assemble team to run it, most of the time was twice a week.

Now, i do 30, 40 and 50 daily. When i don’t feel like doing 50, i do some 20ish instead.

So there you go

Over 600 runs, 2 skins – Bow and Scepter, 50+ useless Ascended Rings.
Getting Fractal Sword is harder than Precursor.

Just got second rifle on lvl 38 YAY

Can I ask why you guys don’t just craft the weapons? That seems faster than hoping it drops.

Noah.9654:

Can I ask why you guys don’t just craft the weapons? That seems faster than hoping it drops.

People are talking about fractal skins (only available from 11-50 daily reward chest.) and not ascended weapons

NeoVaris.4806:

insanemaniac.2456:

NeoVaris.4806:

insanemaniac.2456:

Oxidia.8103:

i did some exploration and found out that before patch i got: staff, sword, torch, two shortbows, longbow, pistol, rifle, spear, harpoon gun and a hammer.

post patch: trident and shield.

have in mind that pre patch time lasted about little more then a year (i think the patch came around january, maybe february this year) and post patch till now, sooo… around 9-10 months.

you do the math how much drop rates changed.

the math is missing a very important piece of info.. your pre and post pristine counts

Are you talking about pristine relics? I am pretty sure the sole difference was that you could only get them on Fractals 10+ on even levels. I highly doubt anyone does such a low Fractal on a daily basis anyway.

yes but more generally im asking about how frequently hes been running. he said nothing about daily runs. just that he got like 10 weapons in a year and 2 weapons in the next 10 months. how am i supposed to know if he ran 50 times in the year and 10 times in the 10 months? cuz then the drop rate would be about the same, but his interest in running fractals dropped significantly.

I had about stack before the patch, no idea about the exact numbers and got all of the skins pre patch (including multiple Hammers and Shields). Only got 2 since the patch (Dagger and Trident).

I hate you. Go get kicked by Lupi or get zapped by a Risen Illusionnist.
I only play Fractals sporadically after Fractured patch. I’ve got Rifle, Sword, Mace, Long Bow, Spear, Torch, Axe in that order. Most of them were from Mai Trin.

Been wanting the fractal sword and would quite like to have the axe, mace, shortbow and underwater weapons.. just to have them.. but what I REEEEEAAAALLY want is that sword. Instead I’ve gotten 3 focus, 2 dagger (maybe 3.. can’t remember), 2 pistol, 2 staff, 1 greatsword, 1 shield. In the meantime, I’ve watched another person get 3 swords.

It is so, so, SO demotivating to see a fractal weapon pop up as your reward and see that it’s a repeat.. or see someone else get the weapon you want and it be a repeat for them. (It’s also super demotivating to get absolutely zilch.. like 3 greens on the last fractal and nothing from the daily on level 50.) It absolutely bewilders me how the devs couldn’t see how bad this can make a person feel.

I keep running 40/50 nearly daily… keep hoping.. and honestly I’m not sure why. Fractal rewards are just incredibly messed up and totally not proportionate to the amount of skill and effort put in at high levels.

I’ve started making new goals, when I wanted the fractal dagger I would start saving up for incinerator, I was able to get my legendary before my first dagger drop. Same goes with my legendary greatswords, longbow, shortbow, sword, staff and soon to be pistol. Yay, RNG!

I have never received a fractal sword, greatsword, pistol, rifle, staff, scepter, trident, mace, warhorn, and spear. I do lvl 20, 30, 38/40, and 50 about 5 to 6 times a week.

There are 19 different weapons. Even if you get a fractal weapon drop, which is rare by itself, the probability that you get the one skin you desire is 1/19 = 0.052. That’s 5.2 percent.

Given a probability of 9 percent of a skin drop (according to the research sheet, doing mostly 40+ and doing a lower occasionally) you have a probability of 0.052*0.09=0.0047 or 0.47 percent of a desired skin drop every fractal run.

If you do more math and compute the combined probability with multiple runs combined, you get this table:
(I computed the probability for dropping one or more desired items after n runs that in itself has a probability of 0.0047. The formula is p = 1 – (1-0.0047)^n

tries / probability with n tries
1 0,47%
5 2,35%
10 4,64%
15 6,87%
20 9,06%
25 11,19%
30 13,28%
35 15,31%
40 17,30%
45 19,24%
50 21,13%
55 22,98%
60 24,79%
65 26,55%
70 28,28%
75 29,96%
80 31,60%
85 33,21%
90 34,78%
95 36,31%
100 37,80%
105 39,26%
110 40,68%
115 42,08%
120 43,43%
125 44,76%
130 46,06%
135 47,32%
140 48,56%
145 49,77%
150 50,94%
155 52,10%
160 53,22%
165 54,32%

That means, you have to do 150 fractal runs at about level 40+ to get a fair chance of about 50:50 that you got your desired fractal skin somewhere within these 150 runs. Only 150 fractal full runs! In these 150 runs, you accumulate about 0.09*150 = 13.5 skins in total. And remember that’s only one half. Only half of all people that do 150 runs get the desired skin. At 150 is only the 50% mark, not a 100% mark, which doesn’t exist. And it tells only about the number of runs since Oct 21 2014 – with the broken probability of about 4% since the “fractured” update, your expected runs were more than doubled (about 330 for >50%)

I tried to compute the expected number of runs to get all 19 different skins with a probability of about 50%, but my school and university math is unfortunately too long ago to remember which formulas could be used for this. It’s so difficult to pick the correct one – even in school I often picked the wrong ones and forfeit the better marks.

Relevant:

John Smith.4610:

Buttercup.5871:

In the same manner that my thousands of forges and thousands of hours played feel without ever getting a precursor, so does the Halloween raffle feel having handed in up to 1k tickets and winning nothing (while others who hand in 2 to 3 tickets win).

I understand why it can happen, but that doesn’t make the experience feel any better. It just leaves you with a very bitter taste. You can talk about this all you want, but I consider that it is – bluntly put – your job as game designers to prevent this from happening to me and many, many others like me, over and over and over again.

For the most part, I agree with you.

Iris Ng.9845:

NeoVaris.4806:

insanemaniac.2456:

NeoVaris.4806:

insanemaniac.2456:

Oxidia.8103:

i did some exploration and found out that before patch i got: staff, sword, torch, two shortbows, longbow, pistol, rifle, spear, harpoon gun and a hammer.

post patch: trident and shield.

have in mind that pre patch time lasted about little more then a year (i think the patch came around january, maybe february this year) and post patch till now, sooo… around 9-10 months.

you do the math how much drop rates changed.

the math is missing a very important piece of info.. your pre and post pristine counts

Are you talking about pristine relics? I am pretty sure the sole difference was that you could only get them on Fractals 10+ on even levels. I highly doubt anyone does such a low Fractal on a daily basis anyway.

yes but more generally im asking about how frequently hes been running. he said nothing about daily runs. just that he got like 10 weapons in a year and 2 weapons in the next 10 months. how am i supposed to know if he ran 50 times in the year and 10 times in the 10 months? cuz then the drop rate would be about the same, but his interest in running fractals dropped significantly.

I had about stack before the patch, no idea about the exact numbers and got all of the skins pre patch (including multiple Hammers and Shields). Only got 2 since the patch (Dagger and Trident).

I hate you. Go get kicked by Lupi or get zapped by a Risen Illusionnist.
I only play Fractals sporadically after Fractured patch. I’ve got Rifle, Sword, Mace, Long Bow, Spear, Torch, Axe in that order. Most of them were from Mai Trin.

Did he tell you that he got a couple of precursors yesterday?
Oh, uhm, yeah, you hold him and I punch him, okay?

To be honest Anet’s RNG implementation is pretty crappy as a static fix tiny percentage drop. They should have implemented a sliding scale based upon the number of runs you did not only in fractals and dungeons but on the world bosses as well.

After creating such an amazing game, it’s sad their RNG implementation is so simplistic.

I want the Fractal Sword. I have a guildie who has 3 of them and doesn’t want them. We both have much sadness.

lets be honest here, Anet will never fix fractals and even if they do, they’ll probably break another 3 things to go along with it. (eg: weapon swap bugs)

So heres hoping they never touch fractals again cause lets face it, if they did; i would expect this game to suck back items that i already have

Disappointing to see thread discussing level 80 content being ignored by moderators.

Phil.7903:

Disappointing to see thread discussing level 80 content being ignored by moderators.

Welcome to GW2 Believe it or not, ArenaNet has a strict policy in place that prevents them from discussing anything about the game’s future with us, and to hell with the consequences!

Phil.7903:

Disappointing to see thread discussing level 80 content being ignored by moderators.

believe it or not there are ~300 of them and ~3m of us

Zaxares.5419:

I want the Fractal Sword. I have a guildie who has 3 of them and doesn’t want them. We both have much sadness.

i want anything that’s not longbow, shortbow, sword, spear, trident, speargun, mace, pistol, rifle, torch, greatsword and staff. oh wait, i have that allready, and have been running fractals for scepter, dagger and focus for two years.

interesting.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Phil.7903:

Disappointing to see thread discussing level 80 content being ignored by moderators.

Phil, forum moderators wouldn’t provide information about game content. Forum communicators would do so if info was currently available. And certainly dev team members would do the same if they were able to provide a substantive answer right now. I’m sorry you’re disappointed, but please know we’ll get some info out there when there’s info to provide.

Fingers crossed that this situation changes

dlonie.6547:

Gaile Gray.6029:

Phil.7903:

Disappointing to see thread discussing level 80 content being ignored by moderators.

Phil, forum moderators wouldn’t provide information about game content. Forum communicators would do so if info was currently available. And certainly dev team members would do the same if they were able to provide a substantive answer right now. I’m sorry you’re disappointed, but please know we’ll get some info out there when there’s info to provide.

Fingers crossed that this situation changes

Get ready to get double crossed….

Hm, what if a vendor was added with the skins, each costing the same amount of tickets, and you can sell unwanted skins to them for one ticket.

Example: the skins cost 5 tickets. You can get lucky and get the one you want, but if you don’t, trade in 5 unwanted for it.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Phil.7903:

Disappointing to see thread discussing level 80 content being ignored by moderators.

Phil, forum moderators wouldn’t provide information about game content. Forum communicators would do so if info was currently available. And certainly dev team members would do the same if they were able to provide a substantive answer right now. I’m sorry you’re disappointed, but please know we’ll get some info out there when there’s info to provide.

while you’re here, let us choose our stats when we get ascended drops, they don’t drop often enough for us to rely on getting the stats we want. Or at least let us salvage or trade them in for something better!!!!

New to fractals? I’ve been doing them since release of fractals….

I had a forum post somewhere with screens of all my fractal achievements (including fractal frequenter ) right next to empty fractal slots ( got no weapons)…

Serophous.9085:

Hm, what if a vendor was added with the skins, each costing the same amount of tickets, and you can sell unwanted skins to them for one ticket.

Example: the skins cost 5 tickets. You can get lucky and get the one you want, but if you don’t, trade in 5 unwanted for it.

NO. What tickets? Vendor yes. Tickets? No.
Stack of pristine relics for one skin. That way it will stay hard to get and will have nothing to do with other pve content.