I need some advice here. I have been trying to do it since release. Even after probably days of in game time trying to do it (with pugs, unfortunately, since no one in my guilds is interested), I can’t even get past the first boss. Keep in mind that I can 2 man the normal 100 fractal. The problem I’m finding is simply that there are too many instant death moves. So many of the moves cover huge swaths of the space that I can’t get out of them. Almost everything kills me in a single hit, and I simply don’t have enough doges to avoid it all. I understand the mechanics of the boss, but inside the game framework I cannot come up with a way to actually beat him because there isn’t a way to execute them. When the third instant death move in a row comes up and I have no dodges left, there is nothing I can do.
I don’t expect you to solo yourself, but it makes it easier to see all the hazards and boss’ tells during the fight, gives you a very good idea of what to expect and each stage of health.
For example, you can jump over some of the waves, so you don’t need 3 dodges in a row. (And yes, the fractal potions help a lot.)
John Smith: “you should kill monsters, because killing monsters is awesome.”
Like Ori’s post stated, having all the fractal potions activated would make it easier.
If we’re talking solely about the first boss (Mama), I don’t recall it to have much ‘1-shot kill’ mechanics. Only ones that come to mind are:
Bubble mechanic
Sub 33% when Mama starts moving and jumping and you can’t dodge the jump when Mama jumps directly on top of you – I normally just dodge into Mama to instantly avoid all 3 of those shockwaves then dodge back to avoid the swipe.
Like Ori’s post stated, having all the fractal potions activated would make it easier.
If we’re talking solely about the first boss (Mama), I don’t recall it to have much ‘1-shot kill’ mechanics. Only ones that come to mind are:
Bubble mechanic
Sub 33% when Mama starts moving and jumping and you can’t dodge the jump when Mama jumps directly on top of you – I normally just dodge into Mama to instantly avoid all 3 of those shockwaves then dodge back to avoid the swipe.
Bubble Mechanic – do you happen to be too far away to run to it when it spawns? Instant death.
Watch nights – Does MAMA happen to be right on top of it when it spawns the full arena except close skill? Go into the circle MAMA instant kills you, stay out the watchnight does.
Like Ori’s post stated, having all the fractal potions activated would make it easier.
If we’re talking solely about the first boss (Mama), I don’t recall it to have much ‘1-shot kill’ mechanics. Only ones that come to mind are:
Bubble mechanic
Sub 33% when Mama starts moving and jumping and you can’t dodge the jump when Mama jumps directly on top of you – I normally just dodge into Mama to instantly avoid all 3 of those shockwaves then dodge back to avoid the swipe.
Bubble Mechanic – do you happen to be too far away to run to it when it spawns? Instant death.
Watch nights – Does MAMA happen to be right on top of it when it spawns the full arena except close skill? Go into the circle MAMA instant kills you, stay out the watchnight does.
Just a couple examples.
The add’s attacks can all be dodged, so don’t go saying you have to run in and die to it when it goes in mama.
Bubble Mechanic – do you happen to be too far away to run to it when it spawns? Instant death.
Watch nights – Does MAMA happen to be right on top of it when it spawns the full arena except close skill? Go into the circle MAMA instant kills you, stay out the watchnight does.
Just a couple examples.
Bubble mechanic – If you are having trouble reaching it, slot movement skills, either through weapons, utilities, or traits. Depending on the class you are playing, would depend on the advice that we could offer.
If you are referring to the watch knights large aoe attack, that can be dodged, so you don’t have to stand right on top of, if MAMA is there. Or dodging MAMA’s attacks. If you find yourself running out of dodges, make sure you have mobility pot with full stacks, if you still need more dodges, try to get vigor into your group, auramancer ele is really good at this. I’m not able to provide more specific details, as I lack understanding on what exactly is killing you with this part. I hope it can help, or if you can provide a few more details, like is this the part were MAMA becomes bi-pedal and starts moving around?
Bubble Mechanic – do you happen to be too far away to run to it when it spawns? Instant death.
Watch nights – Does MAMA happen to be right on top of it when it spawns the full arena except close skill? Go into the circle MAMA instant kills you, stay out the watchnight does.
Bubble mechanic should never ever be a problem at this boss! If it is, you have a skill problem and should work on your reaction time.
For the knights: CC them asap and burst them down. They also shouldn’t be a big problem in a 5 man group with everybody knowing their classes.
If you are able to execute the mechanics well you met some really bad pugs in terms of dodging, running an appropriate build and probably no clue of boss mechanics. Although I understand that the last 25% of MAMA are tricky and sometimes you have a bad rng on the knight’s position in the first part of the fight, there is no excuse to wipe over and over with 5 man.
It all seemed pretty straight forward to me, I finished it for the first time last night at fractal 50. It was fun, lots of mobility and unique in its own way.
But I can’t say it’s impossible, it’s all patterns mostly.
if yo can 2 man the normal you should be able to 5 man the cm even with pugs or even solo the first boss and ask fr mindless dps for the next 2.
If he can’t solo normal what would lead you to believe he would be able to solo the first boss in the CM?
because the thing that the 1st and last boss in cm have in common is that both fight are REALLY solo friendly since with all the bullkitten going on and mechanics that increase the number of players there are, being alone makes it easier to observe the situation and play accordingly but even if you can solo being able to 2 man the normal mode make you qualified to be able to play cm in a 5 man group, pugs or not.
if yo can 2 man the normal you should be able to 5 man the cm even with pugs or even solo the first boss and ask fr mindless dps for the next 2.
If he can’t solo normal what would lead you to believe he would be able to solo the first boss in the CM?
because the thing that the 1st and last boss in cm have in common is that both fight are REALLY solo friendly since with all the bullkitten going on and mechanics that increase the number of players there are, being alone makes it easier to observe the situation and play accordingly but even if you can solo being able to 2 man the normal mode make you qualified to be able to play cm in a 5 man group, pugs or not.
My point remains that if he cannot solo the normal version why would he be able to solo a version that is substantially harder than the normal version? That doesn’t make any logical sense
if yo can 2 man the normal you should be able to 5 man the cm even with pugs or even solo the first boss and ask fr mindless dps for the next 2.
If he can’t solo normal what would lead you to believe he would be able to solo the first boss in the CM?
because the thing that the 1st and last boss in cm have in common is that both fight are REALLY solo friendly since with all the bullkitten going on and mechanics that increase the number of players there are, being alone makes it easier to observe the situation and play accordingly but even if you can solo being able to 2 man the normal mode make you qualified to be able to play cm in a 5 man group, pugs or not.
My point remains that if he cannot solo the normal version why would he be able to solo a version that is substantially harder than the normal version? That doesn’t make any logical sense
so does my point tho unlike the normal 100, 100 cm is easier with less ppl and even easier solo it will just take longer the normal 100 doesnt get any easier the less ppl you do it with. 2 manning it means that he generaly get the idea and the flow of the first encounter with that being said it should take some tries before he can solo it ofc just to nail down the timings and the strats he should follow but should find it easier to solo rather than 5 man pug it since other may kitten you up.
if yo can 2 man the normal you should be able to 5 man the cm even with pugs or even solo the first boss and ask fr mindless dps for the next 2.
If he can’t solo normal what would lead you to believe he would be able to solo the first boss in the CM?
because the thing that the 1st and last boss in cm have in common is that both fight are REALLY solo friendly since with all the bullkitten going on and mechanics that increase the number of players there are, being alone makes it easier to observe the situation and play accordingly but even if you can solo being able to 2 man the normal mode make you qualified to be able to play cm in a 5 man group, pugs or not.
My point remains that if he cannot solo the normal version why would he be able to solo a version that is substantially harder than the normal version? That doesn’t make any logical sense
so does my point tho unlike the normal 100, 100 cm is easier with less ppl and even easier solo it will just take longer the normal 100 doesnt get any easier the less ppl you do it with. 2 manning it means that he generaly get the idea and the flow of the first encounter with that being said it should take some tries before he can solo it ofc just to nail down the timings and the strats he should follow but should find it easier to solo rather than 5 man pug it since other may kitten you up.
That’s not how difficulty works. Even with only 1 person in the CM, it will still be more difficult than the regular scale 100 fractal. If you cannot solo the regular scale 100 boss you cannot solo content that is more difficult.
This isn’t rocket science here, its basic deduction. If you can’t solo something at level X difficulty, then you definitely cannot solo something at level X + 1 difficulty
if yo can 2 man the normal you should be able to 5 man the cm even with pugs or even solo the first boss and ask fr mindless dps for the next 2.
If he can’t solo normal what would lead you to believe he would be able to solo the first boss in the CM?
“if”.
OP didn’t say he can’t solo the 1st boss on normal mode. So he can believe it because OP never stated this possible fact.
OP stated that he can 2 man the scale 100 fractal to give an indication of his skill level. If he could solo it he would have mentioned that instead.
I have nothing against OP nor his skill in fractals. But its just illogical to tell someone to “just solo” content that they are clearly having trouble with
if yo can 2 man the normal you should be able to 5 man the cm even with pugs or even solo the first boss and ask fr mindless dps for the next 2.
If he can’t solo normal what would lead you to believe he would be able to solo the first boss in the CM?
“if”.
OP didn’t say he can’t solo the 1st boss on normal mode. So he can believe it because OP never stated this possible fact.
OP stated that he can 2 man the scale 100 fractal to give an indication of his skill level. If he could solo it he would have mentioned that instead.
I have nothing against OP nor his skill in fractals. But its just illogical to tell someone to “just solo” content that they are clearly having trouble with
when did i tell him to solo it? wow i just implied that if he is able to live in a low man scenario and given the fact that cm bosses become eaasier the lower the number of ppl in the group is then he might even be able to solo the first boss let allow pug 5 man it.
