Guild Wars 2

Note: In no way am i saying the other dps classes were horrible players or shaming them. We all did amazing and still beat Xera easily with time to spare. This group was made mostly of some people I raid with frequently and I think 1 or 2 pugs

All I can say is….as a Necromancer main, who rarely gets to use Necro in raids anymore due to the number of nerfs, changes, and salt from commanders….it felt really good to see myself as the top DPS player by a good margin.

We had the 5 people die right at the end as they were badly delayed on the 2nd port to the tower, someone didn’t rotate on the buttons right, so when they came back after destroying the shard, they ate Xera’s Deadly Attack almost right away.

tl;dr – Some necros can actually be really good players, don’t always shame them right away, maybe give them a chance and if its bad, then feel free to let them know that you’d prefer a different class.

(What am I saying, nobody is this nice in raids LUL)

Full Padl

We usually take a necromancer on Xera recently, mostly to epi shards. Last time we even took two just to be safe in case the epis get eaten by adds. You just don’t need the optimal dps, and you often can’t get it anyway. So go with what you’re good at and find something that works well for the team.

Feanor.2358:

We usually take a necromancer on Xera recently, mostly to epi shards. Last time we even took two just to be safe in case the epis get eaten by adds. You just don’t need the optimal dps, and you often can’t get it anyway. So go with what you’re good at and find something that works well for the team.

it’s better if reaper epis the adds so xera gets bonus stacks of bleed/burn. its better if shards are overloaded by eles etc. epidemic is too valuable to waste it on shards.

Good for you OP, I recently did a cm 100 where a thief was trashing the necros. All the necros out dpsed the thief. People are ignorant, and need to run dps meters so they can accurately kitten situations.

edit: kitten is apparently a dirty word for evaluate.

No class is bad some classes are jsut not optimal for the top guilds that speed clear. Now ppl take that not optimal and translate it to “kittening useless”. Its human nature what can you do :/ Whats funny to me is that the majority of the raid groups just want a smooth clear and nothing more and they thing if you pick a rev or a necro you wont get 1.

I was kicked from cm100 because i was necro… lol
they have probably never see this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUmoTaluw0Q&feature=youtu.be
And some people continu to kick necro because they think player are not goo enought…

well to be honest i wouldnt want staff minionmancer either

sure , but its a solo , and with only 1 finger.
Imagine all possilbilities with 2 hand and meta-build
the problem mentionned here is people who say "necro are not skilled lol , kick "
or “necro have not enought dps lol , kick”
but these 2 point are absolutly wrong.

i agree, but this solo isn’t a strong argument for these. It shows you can cheese on necro to the point of killing mai with 1 finger.
for the “necro is good for speedclear” argument you need to show speedclear videos to these people who don’t believe. but i wouldn’t bother with that, just do your thing

Zem.4139:

I was kicked from cm100 because i was necro… lol
they have probably never see this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUmoTaluw0Q&feature=youtu.be
And some people continu to kick necro because they think player are not goo enought…

Apparently you have never done 100 CM, because if you had, you would realize theres a dps check, and having epi wont help you at all.

So yes, mathematically, no this build isn’t good enough.

The problem isnt necro’s, the problem is most of the bad players playing them. Necro already has low damage, but you still got people running death magic and camping scepter.

There is no reason i should be doing double to triple other necro’s dps in t4 fractals, with more survivability JUST by taking parasitic contagion.

@OP: That being said. Are you sure the other dps numbers weren’t lowered by shard clearing and getting ported? Because from those numbers it doesn’t look like you got sent to tower, or spent time going to clear shards. That being said they are still decent for a pug especially considering that garbage buff uptime. What were your PS’s smoking?

People rather have trash elementalist than exceptional players. Shame on them.

It may be because I jungle between bronze and low silver, but I have no trouble using my necro. Works pretty well, although it really shines in a 2+ fight, it’s difficult to use properly when I’m alone

FrostDraco.8306 , ive done cm100 , everyday as daily.
But i’ve stop cause most of people can’t done it…. im every time last alive (and when im in group , im not death magic or blood magic , just full dps ) , dying to try to rez them , can take 20-25min with good ppl as daily , like 2h30 with some other…
So i’ve stop CM100.
But i will probably solo the first boss from cm100 , probably….with 1finger….maybe
I need a new video for my channel :p

Sublimatio.6981:

Feanor.2358:

We usually take a necromancer on Xera recently, mostly to epi shards. Last time we even took two just to be safe in case the epis get eaten by adds. You just don’t need the optimal dps, and you often can’t get it anyway. So go with what you’re good at and find something that works well for the team.

it’s better if reaper epis the adds so xera gets bonus stacks of bleed/burn. its better if shards are overloaded by eles etc. epidemic is too valuable to waste it on shards.

Meh, it works for us.

Zem.4139:

I was kicked from cm100 because i was necro… lol
they have probably never see this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUmoTaluw0Q&feature=youtu.be
And some people continu to kick necro because they think player are not goo enought…

In CM 100 some people (correctly) want a proper power comp, because it is the most efficient way to do this fractal. If the LFG said they wanted 2x power dps, chrono, druid and a ps, you really have nothing to complain about.

I can understand the frustration to be judged by the class you pick rather than your own performance. Kind of why I am a big fan of damage meters.
However, there are good necromancers and there are bad necromancers. The same rules apply to all of the classes. You will easily meet just as many if not more necromancers who do give the class a bad name. The majority of pug necromancers in Fractals for one.

Necromancers can not compete with the top damage dealers in the current META if it comes to raw damage numbers in a perfect scenario. Comparing exceptional players to bad players, watching numbers of suboptimal groups or those not using META strategies doesn’t change that fact.
But don’t get me wrong. People who wouldn’t take an exceptional necromancer over a bad thief are silly and just making it harder on themselves.
Besides, most groups do better with a safer approach rather than the hardcore speed clear setup. Use whatever works for you in your own groups. Build your strategy around a necromancer and utilize their strengths, an important part of having a static.
My own static runs a very tanky setup. A revenant, a dragon hunter, a Minstrel chrono, a Magi druid for might, power PS and some other stuff not exactly in the META. Why you might ask? People are too lazy to swap, they do prefer certain builds and most aren’t interested in trying to match up to record speedclears. We still clear everything in less than two hours. Usually takes around 1h 45-50mins.
However, this only proves that about anything can work if you have good players and a certain degree of group efficiency. We would have better times if we used different builds in our setup.

Just don’t expect pugs to understand. Most people without a static at any point of their raiding career have very little experience. Doesn’t apply to all of them, I know.
But most go by what all of the guides say, they have to go by what they know and all they know are pug strategies. They have no way of knowing the worth of a player they, well, do not know. They will take whatever is supposed to be better on paper and quite often do not even understand the lines written on said paper. Nothing new.

class discrimination in a nutshell

Zem.4139:

FrostDraco.8306 , ive done cm100 , everyday as daily.
But i’ve stop cause most of people can’t done it…. im every time last alive (and when im in group , im not death magic or blood magic , just full dps ) , dying to try to rez them , can take 20-25min with good ppl as daily , like 2h30 with some other…
So i’ve stop CM100.
But i will probably solo the first boss from cm100 , probably….with 1finger….maybe
I need a new video for my channel :p

Mama is an easy solo. The problem isn’t Mama, it’s Saix.

I dunno why a lot of people like to whine about necro that it’s a horrible class and doesn’t bring anything to the table. It’s just as good as any other class.

And you can sustain yourself pretty well compared to other classes, maybe that’s why some people only want eles, druids and chrono’s by their side because they can’t actually play so well themselves and they need the support.

I was one of the highest DPS at Cairn a few days ago too, viper build is still really good damage.

Sun Lian.4075:

And you can sustain yourself pretty well compared to other classes, maybe that’s why some people only want eles, druids and chrono’s by their side because they can’t actually play so well themselves and they need the support.

Errr… Support or not, if you can’t play well you’d better pick a necro, not an ele. That’s why 4N1D comp exists. Ele takes more effort to both stay alive and deal decent damage. The reason why people only want this comp for fractals is, when you do play it on a decent level it’s much more efficient and faster than the necro comp. It’s not that you can’t deal decent damage in the long run on a necro. It’s that in fractals you can often burst everything down fast enough so a necro becomes less efficient simply because he doesn’t have time to ramp his damage up.

Feanor.2358:

Sun Lian.4075:

And you can sustain yourself pretty well compared to other classes, maybe that’s why some people only want eles, druids and chrono’s by their side because they can’t actually play so well themselves and they need the support.

Errr… Support or not, if you can’t play well you’d better pick a necro, not an ele. That’s why 4N1D comp exists. Ele takes more effort to both stay alive and deal decent damage. The reason why people only want this comp for fractals is, when you do play it on a decent level it’s much more efficient and faster than the necro comp. It’s not that you can’t deal decent damage in the long run on a necro. It’s that in fractals you can often burst everything down fast enough so a necro becomes less efficient simply because he doesn’t have time to ramp his damage up.

But every class needs to ramp up damage atleast somewhat.. nobody does 25-30k DPS instantly.
And I do believe classes like ele need to pause their DPS rotation more because generally they just die faster, I don’t think in a long run there is that much difference.
Plus, if there’s adds Epidemic can be a huge DPS increase, if you’re condi build.

The ramp up is generally faster on power builds. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t mind a necro in the party, provided he can deal with his echo on the Saix phase. But from a min-maxing perspective, for fractals it’s better to have an ele. Also, from the same perspective, you won’t be dying at all, anywhere.

FrostDraco.8306:

Zem.4139:

I was kicked from cm100 because i was necro… lol
they have probably never see this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUmoTaluw0Q&feature=youtu.be
And some people continu to kick necro because they think player are not goo enought…

Apparently you have never done 100 CM, because if you had, you would realize theres a dps check, and having epi wont help you at all.

So yes, mathematically, no this build isn’t good enough.

The problem isnt necro’s, the problem is most of the bad players playing them. Necro already has low damage, but you still got people running death magic and camping scepter.

There is no reason i should be doing double to triple other necro’s dps in t4 fractals, with more survivability JUST by taking parasitic contagion.

@OP: That being said. Are you sure the other dps numbers weren’t lowered by shard clearing and getting ported? Because from those numbers it doesn’t look like you got sent to tower, or spent time going to clear shards. That being said they are still decent for a pug especially considering that garbage buff uptime. What were your PS’s smoking?

I did get ported during the 1st tower. You’ll see ~5min mark my dps drops, that is because I was ported to a tower. If you view the full Padl you can actually see during phase 2 where my dps dropped below other players because of that as well. 2nd Tower I didn’t get ported so my dps kept climbing the rest of the fight. As for shard clearing, I was the only person shard clearing with epi. The other dps were focusing on aoe with adds and dpsing Xera. (Tho there was a point an ele did go out to clear a shard that didn’t get hit by epi, but other than that there wasn’t really any other clearing). Also I agree on the buff uptime…I have no idea what happened but I know after the 50% phase is where everything started going really bad with the buffs and such.