Guild Wars 2

I did a level 50 fractal with some friends today, and 4/5 of us got NOTHING from the end chest. NOTHING. A relic and empyreal shards. The fifth got an infused celestial ring. Whoop dee doo.

I’m not trying to come off like I’m demanding a precursor for every single drop I get. Please don’t misunderstand that. But for me, fractals are my end game. I run at LEAST a 50 every day, and I’ve gotten absolutely nothing more times than I can count. To get nothing is like a slap in the face. What the hell did I make this ascended armor for? What was the point of spending all that money?

While fractals are not personally difficult for my friends and I, they are certainly more difficult than your average dungeon. And my friends and I spent all that time for nothing. I would be happier with a crappy ring that I’m just going to sell to a vendor than with NOTHING. I get better kitten from Ascalonian Catacombs than I do from a level 50 fractal.

I’ve about had it with running 50s. It’s just not even worth it anymore. And since fractals are my endgame, if I stop running 50s then I might as well just stop playing and wait for the expac. :/

Why are you so mad? Whether you get a ring, infused ring, frac wep, asc box or nothing, it’s all based on rng. No one who does fractals do them for the rewards, so if you don’t like doing 50’s then find something else to do. Just a heads up, if you’re depending on the expansion pack for more end game content, you’re probably going to be severely disappointed.

A relic and shards are not exactly nothing. Moreover, like Anet likes to say, the journey itself should be rewarding, not what’s after it.

stephoa.7082:

Why are you so mad? Whether you get a ring, infused ring, frac wep, asc box or nothing, it’s all based on rng. No one who does fractals do them for the rewards, so if you don’t like doing 50’s then find something else to do. Just a heads up, if you’re depending on the expansion pack for more end game content, you’re probably going to be severely disappointed.

I don’t do them for the rewards. I do them because they are challenging and I enjoy doing them with my guildies. But when I get nothing to show for it, it makes me sour.

rotten.9753:

A relic and shards are not exactly nothing. Moreover, like Anet likes to say, the journey itself should be rewarding, not what’s after it.

I have a full stack of pristine relics in my bank. I have 3000 regular relics in my wallet (I’d have a lot more if I didn’t need skill points recently). I don’t use the shards for anything. So yeah, it’s nothing to me.

rotten.9753:

A relic and shards are not exactly nothing. Moreover, like Anet likes to say, the journey itself should be rewarding, not what’s after it.

That doesn’t matter.

It’s undeniable that the reward system in place for fotm is and has been utter crap for pretty much forever – worse since the fractal patch yet we haven’t had the issue addressed.

It’s pathetic to leave your playerbase waiting around this long with such an embarrassingly awful system like that in place.

Some of us really like fractals just because we find them enjoyable to do but it doesn’t make it any less insulting to get nothing as your daily reward.

I’ve had it happen to me dozens and dozens of times as well and while I’m obviously used to it, it still makes me shake my head with disappointment. Same with getting duplicate skins.

Purple Miku.7032:

rotten.9753:

A relic and shards are not exactly nothing. Moreover, like Anet likes to say, the journey itself should be rewarding, not what’s after it.

That doesn’t matter.

It’s undeniable that the reward system in place for fotm is and has been utter crap for pretty much forever – worse since the fractal patch yet we haven’t had the issue addressed.

It’s pathetic to leave your playerbase waiting around this long with such an embarrassingly awful system like that in place.

Some of us really like fractals just because we find them enjoyable to do but it doesn’t make it any less insulting to get nothing as your daily reward.

I’ve had it happen to me dozens and dozens of times as well and while I’m obviously used to it, it still makes me shake my head with disappointment. Same with getting duplicate skins.

Thanks for being sympathetic. Sometimes I find that the forums are just full to the brim with negative people who want to shoot every kitten thing down. I’m glad that I’m not alone in how ridiculously annoying this is.

Purple Miku.7032:

That doesn’t matter.

It’s undeniable that the reward system in place for fotm is and has been utter crap for pretty much forever – worse since the fractal patch yet we haven’t had the issue addressed.

It’s pathetic to leave your playerbase waiting around this long with such an embarrassingly awful system like that in place.

Some of us really like fractals just because we find them enjoyable to do but it doesn’t make it any less insulting to get nothing as your daily reward.

I’ve had it happen to me dozens and dozens of times as well and while I’m obviously used to it, it still makes me shake my head with disappointment. Same with getting duplicate skins.

Should have added /s at the end.

Why? Theres no sarcasm involved. The rewards in fractals are completely awful.

Yesterday in fotm 50 i got:

No rare, no exotic, only one glacial core at the end. And…….a stupid ring that i got more then 20 times….probably the worst loot ever.

At least, no spoon is a good thing i think.

I feel the same as OP.

I myself really enjoy running high lvl fractals with in-game friends/pugs and run it daily.

Regular dungeons do not have any ‘ramp-up’ involved, you get the WP to the dungeon, run it and receive guaranteed currency to purchase dungeon specific armor/weapons. Do that a couple of times and you have your desired skin.

For fractals, to be eligible for ‘fotm lvl 50 rewards’, you at least must’ve done fractals 50 times. Also, you must invest into ascended armor/trinkets/weapon to survive unavoidable Agony. The amount of effort involved is different, but I’m fine with it since it is my choice to run fractals.

Now, what rewards are there at the end, considering the effort involved? Besides ridiculous RNG, there are the guaranteed Fractal Relics. It even has a spot in the wallet between all other account bound currencies.

What am I doing with relics? Nothing since the end of 2013.
Sitting at 35,000 relics, 3x stacks of pristine and a couple of fully upgraded backpieces (pre wardrobe)/ 40 fractal bags etc. If I know I could purchase i.e. fractal specific skins/tonics (just like in other 5 man content) with relics , EVEN after getting nothing at the RNG game, I would feel more satisfied and rewarded for the effort.

spoj.9672:

Why? Theres no sarcasm involved. The rewards in fractals are completely awful.

I think rotten meant that he/she was being sarcastic about the “journey being the reward”

They’d have to update some numbers in a config file somewhere to fix this. One (maybe two) hours discussion with the economist and a designer, and 10 minutes to update the drop rates / rewards.

I just hope that our specialist wasn’t told to send his reports into no-reply@arenanet.com.

yos.1846:

I feel the same as OP.

I myself really enjoy running high lvl fractals with in-game friends/pugs and run it daily.

Regular dungeons do not have any ‘ramp-up’ involved, you get the WP to the dungeon, run it and receive guaranteed currency to purchase dungeon specific armor/weapons. Do that a couple of times and you have your desired skin.

For fractals, to be eligible for ‘fotm lvl 50 rewards’, you at least must’ve done fractals 50 times. Also, you must invest into ascended armor/trinkets/weapon to survive unavoidable Agony. The amount of effort involved is different, but I’m fine with it since it is my choice to run fractals.

Now, what rewards are there at the end, considering the effort involved? Besides ridiculous RNG, there are the guaranteed Fractal Relics. It even has a spot in the wallet between all other account bound currencies.

What am I doing with relics? Nothing since the end of 2013.
Sitting at 35,000 relics, 3x stacks of pristine and a couple of fully upgraded backpieces (pre wardrobe)/ 40 fractal bags etc. If I know I could purchase i.e. fractal specific skins/tonics (just like in other 5 man content) with relics , EVEN after getting nothing at the RNG game, I would feel more satisfied and rewarded for the effort.

I’ll admit that I like there to be some RNG in the game. I like getting lucky, I am okay feeling envious of that buddy-o-mine who always gets the skin…

And yet I completely agree with what you are saying here. There needs to be something at the end. Just having a fractal set like they have dungeon sets would at least give something to make players want to spend relics. If nothing else salvaging or throwing into the forge. It wouldn’t even have to be an armor set, just a weapon set. Or maybe even a new weapon set twice a year. Right now they’re coming up with a new weapon set every two weeks for the gem store (I’m not complaining about them putting weapons in the gem store, just mentioning a time frame of what they’re putting out). Keep the fractal skins as exclusive and always account bound, but give something that could be bought with relics and then sold on the TP, or salvaged, or tossed into the forge. Something tangible.

I just can’t see this breaking the economy. Take a look at Silverwastes and what they’ve dumped into the economy there. Mats, items, ascended armor and trinkets… all on about a one hour timer. The big chest isn’t even limited to once a day, and there’s also the endlessly spawning bandit chests.

I thought it had been confirmed already that 50s has the worst loot table aside from the 1 to 9 bracket.

IllegalChocolate.6938:

I thought it had been confirmed already that 50s has the worst loot table aside from the 1 to 9 bracket.

It was bugged when it was confirmed. Actually right now if you check any spreadsheets they seem to be kind of… even. Now everything is equally crappy.

I like the fact that FoTM rewards are very different from dungeon rewards. For a new player, FoTM rewards are amazing since they will give them bag slots, ascended trinkets and fractal skins. The problem is that veteran players already have most of these and getting rewarded with something we already have is almost the same as getting nothing. I think a cool reward could be the ability to get those +stat/ar infusions but make them account bound and make it so equipment pieces just feeds on them when we apply it so we don’t need to constantly MF them. For example let’s say my helm has a +1power, if I feed it 2 +1powers it becomes +2power, and if I feed it 4 +1powers it then becomes +3 and so forth.

EcoRI.9273:

I like the fact that FoTM rewards are very different from dungeon rewards. For a new player, FoTM rewards are amazing since they will give them bag slots, ascended trinkets and fractal skins. The problem is that veteran players already have most of these and getting rewarded with something we already have is almost the same as getting nothing. I think a cool reward could be the ability to get those +stat/ar infusions but make them account bound and make it so equipment pieces just feeds on them when we apply it so we don’t need to constantly MF them. For example let’s say my helm has a +1power, if I feed it 2 +1powers it becomes +2power, and if I feed it 4 +1powers it then becomes +3 and so forth.

The stat infusions idea is something I suggested at least 5 times, once even over a year ago. Barely anybody had anything to reply with and nobody seemed to care.

With that in mind, +11111111111. I obviously fullheartedly agree with that. :P

The reward drop rate is substantially high when you play in a full guild group. I know that my guild always has at least two skins or two boxes per run. It was so profitable yhat sometimes i would not mind a long kitten 90 min fractal run to get something. To add insult to injury, the worst the run, the better the loot. I see 2-3 tonics dropped to guildmates already and they are the kind of phiw that do all sorts of faux-pas in fractals. So I don’t usually play with the guild on 40+.