Guild Wars 2

But,

I only have 500 AP in my Eu Account,

uh huh
uh huh
uh huh

You’re not gonna let me play with Lupi anymore?

Let the show begin!

Sad Tas.2509:

jesus christ, achievement points mean you have PLAYED THE GAME, and there is a better chance of you knowing how to go through content than not. Its not a set in stone rule, but generally the more achievement points the better/more experience the player is at PVE CONTENT

Poor Jesus !!!
I play ele, full ascended, did around 500 fractal (i’m lvl 50), nearly all the dungeons, and I have 3900 AP ! Why ? I play nearly only fractal and WvW, not event. AP does’nt give much informations……

Machupo.1095:

Sad Tas.2509:

jesus christ, achievement points mean you have PLAYED THE GAME, and there is a better chance of you knowing how to go through content than not. Its not a set in stone rule, but generally the more achievement points the better/more experience the player is at PVE CONTENT

Poor Jesus !!!
I play ele, full ascended, did around 500 fractal (i’m lvl 50), nearly all the dungeons, and I have 3900 AP ! Why ? I play nearly only fractal and WvW, not event. AP does’nt give much informations……

and I understand that, just like with everything there are outliers. I never said that its the be all end all of rules, but its a good measuring stick for weeding out people who dont know what they are doing

Anierna.6918:

Saint, Clumsy, we don’t pug anymore. I haven’t had to in about a month. So this is all academic. Just saying.

How come? Don’t you remember that pug?

Ok, stack here and DO NOT warhorn 5!
Warrior warhorns 5…

10 minutes and 3 warhorn 5’s later it managed to pass trough with GS1…

Oh, wait, that wasnt a pug!!! #nokick please xD

Anyway, i fell asleep last night and now (logging now!) i have to run EVERYTHING with pugs. It’s gonna be awesome, im gonna get my minibear and my longbow and still do more DPS than all the rangers in my party =)

If some1 wants to run dungeons with the WORST warrior you’ve ever seen (still better than what you pug, id been led to believe) just pm me!

Sad Tas.2509:

I never said that its the be all end all of rules, but its a good measuring stick for weeding out people who dont know what they are doing

I understood well you didn’t say AP was the only good measure but for me it’s not even a good one as you said. Better let the person prove his skills and at last kiking if it is really impossible to play with . So often I see people laughing at me at the start of lvl 49 or 50 “hey guys, look this ele he won’t stay long alive !!!”. Fun is what this game should give us first and I read a lot of commentary saying that gw2 is too easy (that is true) so having someone not very good in the team should sometimes bring more challenge.

Running CoF 2 right now (waiting for magmacite).

We got a ranger (875 AP) that blindly copied a build and doesnt know what to do, but does as told and wears full zerk + ranger runes, sword/wh and has frost spirit and spotter, using sword+wh.

So, the BEST RANGER EVER ive seen on a pug has 875 ap!

Just two stories I’ve encountered through the times I’ve played:

A time ago when we were doing CoF story with 3 of my friends for the first time, we LFG stating it was an unexperienced run, and a 15k AP thief joined. What happens is he is the only one constantly dying and finally at one boss that has a aoe around him which we were avoiding as anyone with a logical sense and normal reaction (can’t remember exactly what), he dies again meleeing it and then types something in the lines of “wtf can’t you even take some kittening fire” blaming us. Yeah, it was not a speedrun but it went easily after we got rid of him.

Then last week or so when I was running through hotw p1 as usual, a 900 AP warrior (or was it a guard?), equipped with at least one legendary joined my group and we had a perfect and smooth run.

I’ve never looked at the achievement points seriously, but I have lately started running dungeons only with guildies or friends since I’ve noticed a lot of players who are unable to play zerkers properly, come in, do no good, keep dying and eventually leave (I don’t kick people for dying). Please don’t fill up these forums with posts saying people should run zerkers without mentioning to them you need to know perfectly how to use that build, it doesn’t forgive your mistakes at all. I’m sick of dragging these guys through dungeons, they’re less of a help in a dungeon than first timers (that I gladly help and explain the run through).

Wharrgarbl.9263:

Dont remind me of that CM. It’s quite painful when I tell someone not to do something 3 times and he does it anyway everytime. Anyway, I forgive you, Alex – I assume you were, once again, under the influence of … something, and thus not responsible for your actions.

On another note, your sig… You know how much Id freak out if you actually played any of those builds, but others might not realize you’re joking. So please change it, or at least link it to this post so the joke is more apparent.

Btw is there an actual unicorn build? Please say yes.

Wharrgarbl.9263:

We got a ranger (875 AP) that blindly copied a build and doesnt know what to do, but does as told and wears full zerk + ranger runes, sword/wh and has frost spirit and spotter, using sword+wh.

So, the BEST RANGER EVER ive seen on a pug has 875 ap!

Zoii only had 900 AP, and that was one of the best Ele trials Ive done. Low AP players performing well must be the new trend. I sure hope so.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Btw is there an actual unicorn build? Please say yes.

Sorry to dissapoint, but I’m 90% sure he made that up just to troll me. lol

I’m pretty sure there is, but I thought it was an old outdated one from like ’12 when the game first came out.

Anierna.6918:

Sorry to dissapoint, but I’m 90% sure he made that up just to troll me. lol

Pfff!!! Lies!!!
I ran the Jumping Rainbow Unicorn Troll build for the longest of times in spvp!

So glad I put pony bow on my thief.

I prefer a group of 20k+ AP players tbh. 5k is nothing.

There is a ‘Phoenix build’ in the ele forum, if anyone is interested. I’m looking forward to a ‘Dragon build’ and a ‘Tiger build’ as well

Crouching tiger, hidden dragon, bold elitist, stubborn fashion victim.
/laughs maniacally while stomping Scarlet
I feel so guilty for not doing fracs and dungeons yesterday.

I’ve had 14k AP guardians using cleric gear in dungeon groups, AP means nothing and if people kick you for joining a group which is 5k+ they deserve a kick in the kitten

Of all the requirements, I find “pink dyes only” to be the most effective. Why? Because I did it and I got good players with a lot of sense of humour, and we had tons of fun.
See? I’ve just made a statistic.
I guess that’s how logic works here.

None of you guys will be able to top this trash pug team I had months ago.

Once at the end of a TA fwd run when I was ~2k AP, I joined a pug group with literally every other person besides me having more than 10k AP. Two of them were warriors, one was a guardian, the other was a mesmer. The mesmer had ~11k AP, one of the warriors had ~10k AP, one of the warriors had ~12k AP, and the guard had ~14k AP.

ALL of them were ranging the nightmare tree from a distance.

Both warriors were using rifles with dolyak signets. One of the warriors put down a banner of discipline, and I saw a banner of tactics and a banner of defense as I laid there dead from trying to melee by myself and getting owned by the mortar turrets.

NONE OF THEM USED NOURISHMENTS EITHER.

I would say a new player with low AP who is willing to listen is a much better party member than a stacked AP player who thinks they know what they’re doing but don’t and won’t listen.

By taking only 5k+, you will never party with these players.

Fror.2163:

Most of the 12k+ AP guards I played with were cleric staff guards. Doesn’t this say all?

What’s wrong with cleric stats for a guardian staff? I’m using it to buff myself and by the way heal if it’s in a combat.

Psychol.5783:

Fror.2163:

Most of the 12k+ AP guards I played with were cleric staff guards. Doesn’t this say all?

What’s wrong with cleric stats for a guardian staff? I’m using it to buff myself and by the way heal if it’s in a combat.

Because it’s bad, because healing in this game is bad, because there is no real healing class /skills in the game. Your teammates don’t need you to heal, they need you to DPS so that the mob dies faster— they can take care of their own healing.

Ruruuiye.8912:

Recently I’ve been seeing a lot of these crop up in addition to the usual “zerkers only” “heavies only”, “no necros” and “no rangers or necros” requirements. I’m interested in various opinions on this. In particular, is this actually a useful metric? Like, will it actually result in a better success rate and save time despite shrinking the pool of players available to you?

Personally, I don’t have 5k+ AP so I don’t jump into those groups but I also don’t particularly anticipate myself being remarkably better at the game when I inevitably reach 5k (and magically qualify for my first dungeon run). Just like I’m not exactly in a different league to back when I had 3k, at least in dungeons. This makes sense, since completing dungeons doesn’t directly give you any AP, AFAIK, beyond the first time you do them all.

I have just under 15k AP; I don’t think it’s a good measure of competence. I think I can usually hold my own fine, but the best folks I’ve seen in dungeons weren’t the ones with the highest AP. Beyond 2k it tells very little, IMO.

Getting high AP scores involves grinding — and playing the game over a long period of time (I played since release). The latter gives you a chance to become competent, but doesn’t guarantee it. Willingness to do the former part — rewarding but boring/easy/repetitive tasks — should correlate inversely with competence.

(I stopped trying to grind AP a while back — when I realized I wasn’t having any fun with it, and it certainly wasn’t making me a better player. I’m still in the top 1k in the US, but eventually I’ll finish falling off that list.)

I should also admit — I do sometimes use staff in dungeons on my guard (esp TA) — but just for tagging trash/building bloodlust. For DPS I use different weapons… and I don’t have any clerics gear, just zerker/celestial (trinkets + weapons/armor). Take that however you will…

I see a lot of people in this thread trying to come up with examples . Those examples, such as the few people who don’t do LS, are exceptions. Every rule has exceptions.

The bottom line is that 9 out of 10 times groups who advertize with specific requirements will have a better experience than those groups who leave the advertisement open for discussion.

It’s a simple but effective filter that weeds out those players that could potentially delay or prevent the dungeon from finishing. Will it always work? Of course not. Will it increase the chance for a smooth run? From my experience, definitely.

The question is where to put the threshold. Personally I believe 5k is too excessive. However, 90% of the time I can see a huge difference between a team with an average of 3k achievement points and 1k achievement points.

I like to have a majority of experienced players in my party because it saves me from having a headache. I could put “Experienced Only” in my title but there’s always those people who are analphabetic and refuse to read. That is why I can understand why people ask for achievement points as a threshold because there is no other easy way to put the player to the test.

Noah.4756:

I see a lot of people in this thread trying to come up with examples . Those examples, such as the few people who don’t do LS, are exceptions. Every rule has exceptions.

The bottom line is that 9 out of 10 times groups who advertize with specific requirements will have a better experience than those groups who leave the advertisement open for discussion.

It’s a simple but effective filter that weeds out those players that could potentially delay or prevent the dungeon from finishing. Will it always work? Of course not. Will it increase the chance for a smooth run? From my experience, definitely.

The question is where to put the threshold. Personally I believe 5k is too excessive. However, 90% of the time I can see a huge difference between a team with an average of 3k achievement points and 1k achievement points.

I like to have a majority of experienced players in my party because it saves me from having a headache. I could put “Experienced Only” in my title but there’s always those people who are analphabetic and refuse to read. That is why I can understand why people ask for achievement points as a threshold because there is no other easy way to put the player to the test.

Logic, sir. You have it. How does it feel like?

Noah.4756:

The bottom line is that 9 out of 10 times groups who advertize with specific requirements will have a better experience than those groups who leave the advertisement open for discussion.

It’s a simple but effective filter that weeds out those players that could potentially delay or prevent the dungeon from finishing. Will it always work? Of course not. Will it increase the chance for a smooth run? From my experience, definitely.

It’true that specific requirements can help however we often see
- “zerk only” hum not sure it will be a proof of skill
- “AP>5k” same thing
- “exp” ahhhh the best requirement, means nothing because we can see it even for those looking for lvl1 fractal !!!!!
- for fun “lvl 49 , AP>5k need opener” : in my case I just say "sry i’m lvl 50 but only 4k !!!!!! seems I can ’t come !!!!

Want a real requirement ? : “master your class/skills”.
Unfortunately many people think that running meta build and zerk will ensure a good run. Maybe with easy dungeons or low lvl fractal but not for the others. A skilled person is what we need even with a diiferent build.
I remember a lvl49 fractal with a “meta requirement”. I was ele 0/30/20/0/20, boon duration ans especially stab. A guardian told me " hey i said meta and you give me stab, you’re not meta !!!!" I answered : “I give you regen, stab , speed , protection fury and 10 stack of might and I do more DPS than you, do you give me more than I give to you ?!!!!!!!” . He didn’t know what to answer…….

Machupo.1095:

I do more DPS than you

If that guardian was running meta, then no. Hell, no. Maybe when you can FGS things against a wall but I highly doubt that you had much opportunities to do that in a FOTM 49 pug out of all things.

He didn’t know what to answer…….

Probably didn’t want to argue with ignorance. Putting an actual effort into an argument with people like you is a waste of time. I would also be silent if I did just a random pug and didn’t care (which 99% of the time I pug anyhow, I don’t really try to filter pugs, often feels like a waste of time seeing the kind of zerkers I’ve seen in FOTM pugs), or just start a votekick and block you if you tried to whisper and the run was advertised as meta. Bottom line is that I’m not going to break a sweat convincing people who already made up their mind to PlayHowTheyWant.

Anyway, I’ve seen so many “melee only” pugs in arah where they almost all died on lupi during phase 2 except for one party member most of the time that I really don’t bother putting such requirements or zerk only requirement in my own LFGs. The fact is that most players are really bad and gear checking, AP checking, requiring specific tactics will not change that fact. Zerk only might work to get a decent AC or CoF pug but it completely breaks down on more serious content unless they’re carried by a mesmer (arah) or a seriously good guardian (fractals) because most zerkers pugs are far, far, far from being capable of handling a run the way a speedrun guild usually would.

Nikaido.3457:

Machupo.1095:

I do more DPS than you

If that guardian was running meta, then no. Hell, no. Maybe when you can FGS things against a wall but I highly doubt that you had much opportunities to do that in a FOTM 49 pug out of all things.

He didn’t know what to answer…….

Probably didn’t want to argue with ignorance. Putting an actual effort into an argument with people like you is a waste of time. I would also be silent if I did just a random pug and didn’t care (which 99% of the time I pug anyhow, I don’t really try to filter pugs, often feels like a waste of time seeing the kind of zerkers I’ve seen in FOTM pugs), or just start a votekick and block you if you tried to whisper and the run was advertised as meta. Bottom line is that I’m not going to break a sweat convincing people who already made up their mind to PlayHowTheyWant.

Agreed.

Nikaido.3457:

Machupo.1095:

I do more DPS than you

If that guardian was running meta, then no. Hell, no. Maybe when you can FGS things against a wall but I highly doubt that you had much opportunities to do that in a FOTM 49 pug out of all things.

On a complete run of fractal I would be interested to see how many hits points made a guardian and an ele, how many mobs were killed !!! Damages with frost bow or FGS with ele zerk, 15 to 24 might stacks, fury and so one are just so hudge especially on groups of mobs, and it can be done it quite often. With S/D and better D/D ele sustains the comparaison with guardian because ele D/D constantly do at least average good dps. True that I don’t see big numbers like 20k, but I prefer the high frequency of 5-8k hit points !!!

Machupo.1095:

Nikaido.3457:

Machupo.1095:

I do more DPS than you

If that guardian was running meta, then no. Hell, no. Maybe when you can FGS things against a wall but I highly doubt that you had much opportunities to do that in a FOTM 49 pug out of all things.

On a complete run of fractal I would be interested to see how many hits points made a guardian and an ele, how many mobs were killed !!! Damages with frost bow or FGS with ele zerk, 15 to 24 might stacks, fury and so one are just so hudge especially on groups of mobs, and it can be done it quite often. With S/D and better D/D ele sustains the comparaison with guardian because ele D/D constantly do at least average good dps. True that I don’t see big numbers like 20k, but I prefer the high frequency of 5-8k hit points !!!

the traitsets you provided is not “zerk” so you’re comparing apples to oranges.
also d/d, what the kitten.

24 might stacks on a build like yours is like putting lipstick on a pig. And FGS without a wall to rush on or a large hitbox, in a pug that isn’t going to kill fast (and thus make stuff like blinkfgs kinda useless) is a bad weapon. The fact that you’re even mentioning FGS while talking about fractal 49 pugs.. I’d love to hear about which bosses you corner stacked with your fgs there. I’m sure you did a lot of fgs good on archdiviner and grawl.
You don’t seem to have much in the way of damage modifiers traits so like I said, you’re trying to compare a ricer tuned smart car to a ferrari. Your build has no damage, giving it 25 might stacks and fury will not make you comparable to a guardian that actually has a damage build no matter how you slice it.

I’ll stop here because any more time given to you is time purely wasted. The fact that you mentions “20k” as a big number or imply that guardians don’t have sustain.. the high frequency of 5 to 8K? you should take a look at sword auto it will be enlightening.

maxinion.8396:

Psychol.5783:

Fror.2163:

Most of the 12k+ AP guards I played with were cleric staff guards. Doesn’t this say all?

What’s wrong with cleric stats for a guardian staff? I’m using it to buff myself and by the way heal if it’s in a combat.

Because it’s bad, because healing in this game is bad, because there is no real healing class /skills in the game. Your teammates don’t need you to heal, they need you to DPS so that the mob dies faster— they can take care of their own healing.

If I’m using staff only for buff power then it doesn’t matter if I have power healing or crit dmg.

Psychol.5783:

maxinion.8396:

Psychol.5783:

Fror.2163:

Most of the 12k+ AP guards I played with were cleric staff guards. Doesn’t this say all?

What’s wrong with cleric stats for a guardian staff? I’m using it to buff myself and by the way heal if it’s in a combat.

Because it’s bad, because healing in this game is bad, because there is no real healing class /skills in the game. Your teammates don’t need you to heal, they need you to DPS so that the mob dies faster— they can take care of their own healing.

If I’m using staff only for buff power then it doesn’t matter if I have power healing or crit dmg.

That’s a poor use of your second weapon, to be honest…. But to each his/her own, btw.

Nikaido.3457:

24 might stacks on a build like yours is like putting lipstick on a pig. And FGS without a wall to rush on or a large hitbox, in a pug that isn’t going to kill fast (and thus make stuff like blinkfgs kinda useless) is a bad weapon. The fact that you’re even mentioning FGS while talking about fractal 49 pugs… I’d love to hear about which bosses you corner stacked with your fgs there. I’m sure you did a lot of fgs good on archdiviner and grawl.
You don’t seem to have much in the way of damage modifiers traits so like I said, you’re trying to compare a ricer tuned smart car to a ferrari. Your build has no damage, giving it 25 might stacks and fury will not make you comparable to a guardian that actually has a damage build no matter how you slice it.

I’ll stop here because any more time given to you is time purely wasted. The fact that you mentions “20k” as a big number or imply that guardians don’t have sustain.. the high frequency of 5 to 8K? you should take a look at sword auto it will be enlightening.

As smexy as ever!

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Psychol.5783:

maxinion.8396:

Psychol.5783:

Fror.2163:

Most of the 12k+ AP guards I played with were cleric staff guards. Doesn’t this say all?

What’s wrong with cleric stats for a guardian staff? I’m using it to buff myself and by the way heal if it’s in a combat.

Because it’s bad, because healing in this game is bad, because there is no real healing class /skills in the game. Your teammates don’t need you to heal, they need you to DPS so that the mob dies faster— they can take care of their own healing.

If I’m using staff only for buff power then it doesn’t matter if I have power healing or crit dmg.

That’s a poor use of your second weapon, to be honest…. But to each his/her own, btw.

If I have to use ranged weapon for damage then I’m taking scepter, staff is only for buff for meele only fights and during WvW but in WvW I don’t care about dmg because it’s a random carnage anyway without a guild.

Joined a TA up PuG.

I saw a 14k AP ranger and thought “Cool, I bet he brings spotter, spirit and plays melee only!”

Haha, no. Legendary longbow with bear only.

Bears are op.

Nikaido.3457:

I’ll stop here because any more time given to you is time purely wasted.

Really ? I can say that it was a great discovery for me, as a master of elementalist you opened my eyes on THE only way an elementalist can do good DPS : FGS on a wall. That will really change my gameplay and I thank you sooo much.
Sincerely.

PS : I must remember now to specify on LFG : “taking only ele with FGS on wall”

Machupo.1095:

Nikaido.3457:

I’ll stop here because any more time given to you is time purely wasted.

Really ? I can say that it was a great discovery for me, as a master of elementalist you opened my eyes on THE only way an elementalist can do good DPS : FGS on a wall. That will really change my gameplay and I thank you sooo much.
Sincerely.

PS : I must remember now to specify on LFG : “taking only ele with FGS on wall”

Which isnt true once again.
You’ve proven his point.
You’re twisting words around but you seem to forget the bigger picture
but ofcourse that only counts if you know what the bigger picture looks like.

Cries Of Sorrow.5864:

Which isnt true once again.

Oups, seems that I shouldn’t play only FGS ? Arggg I’m lost again !
True that I will have to stop wasting my time….
Have fun guys !

Such ignorance.

Machupo.1095:

Cries Of Sorrow.5864:

Which isnt true once again.

Oups, seems that I shouldn’t play only FGS ? Arggg I’m lost again !
True that I will have to stop wasting my time….
Have fun guys !

you probably dont realize you’re not the one whos wasting time, you’re the one being incredibly ignorant
WE as in Nikaido and I are wasting time on YOU.
anyways have fun i’m done.

Tldr: FGS without a wall is kitten dps. Use hammer.

maxinion.8396:

Tldr: FGS without a wall is kitten dps. Use hammer.

No. Summon FGS for the thief (he can blink rush 3 times), use 5 with your own FGS, then summon ice bow, use 4, then summon hammer.

you don’t need a thief in most dungeons though, especially in casual runs for dungeons where stealth isn’t really needed.

Check your Hall of Monuments privilege.

Anierna.6918:

Wharrgarbl.9263:

Dont remind me of that CM. It’s quite painful when I tell someone not to do something 3 times and he does it anyway everytime. Anyway, I forgive you, Alex – I assume you were, once again, under the influence of … something, and thus not responsible for your actions.

On another note, your sig… You know how much Id freak out if you actually played any of those builds, but others might not realize you’re joking. So please change it, or at least link it to this post so the joke is more apparent.

Haha time to post cleric builds to troll Ani.

Yep. Great stuff as usual.

Anierna.6918:

maxinion.8396:

Tldr: FGS without a wall is kitten dps. Use hammer.

No. Summon FGS for the thief (he can blink rush 3 times), use 5 with your own FGS, then summon ice bow, use 4, then summon hammer.

Sure, if you’re going to do the blink trick it’s also fine (but assuming people know how to do the blink trick is a bit much, especially as the discussion is about PUGs).