Guild Wars 2

I was wondering if it could be done. Having a second button under the enter x raid button which will be the cleared isntance so everyone easily can join at what ever time they feel like it. This is imho a good mid solution since i dont really agree with another solution that would prob take resources and dev time off of buildimg the actual raids.

I don’t see any reason why that couldn’t be done. It’s really no different than someone opening up a completed instance and then posting it on LFG. This could also encourage all lore/story elements to exist outside of the actual boss encounters unless in a cutscene.

Ayrilana.1396:

I don’t see any reason why that couldn’t be done. It’s really no different than someone opening up a completed instance and then posting it on LFG. This could also encourage all lore/story elements to exist outside of the actual boss encounters unless in a cutscene.

cutscenes are also able to be viewed in cleared instances

zealex.9410:

Ayrilana.1396:

I don’t see any reason why that couldn’t be done. It’s really no different than someone opening up a completed instance and then posting it on LFG. This could also encourage all lore/story elements to exist outside of the actual boss encounters unless in a cutscene.

cutscenes are also able to be viewed in cleared instances

Yep. I just added that to make sure they continue to be done that way and to include anything else that may not be included in them at this time.

Ayrilana.1396:

zealex.9410:

Ayrilana.1396:

I don’t see any reason why that couldn’t be done. It’s really no different than someone opening up a completed instance and then posting it on LFG. This could also encourage all lore/story elements to exist outside of the actual boss encounters unless in a cutscene.

cutscenes are also able to be viewed in cleared instances

Yep. I just added that to make sure they continue to be done that way and to include anything else that may not be included in them at this time.

Ah ok cool. ^^

I think it’s a great idea for the first 3 wings — those have all been out for a while, so there’s no reason to ‘hide’ or gate the sections. As stated above, anyone can get in now by paying an opener; seems like an unnecessary step for players.

(For new wings as they come out, I would be okay if they asked us to go through the wing in the designed order.)

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

I think it’s a great idea for the first 3 wings — those have all been out for a while, so there’s no reason to ‘hide’ or gate the sections. As stated above, anyone can get in now by paying an opener; seems like an unnecessary step for players.

(For new wings as they come out, I would be okay if they asked us to go through the wing in the designed order.)

im not sure tho that might trigger some ppl.

zealex.9410:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

I think it’s a great idea for the first 3 wings — those have all been out for a while, so there’s no reason to ‘hide’ or gate the sections. As stated above, anyone can get in now by paying an opener; seems like an unnecessary step for players.

(For new wings as they come out, I would be okay if they asked us to go through the wing in the designed order.)

im not sure tho that might trigger some ppl.

ANet giving 2g for dailies triggered people too
Hard to figure out what pleases some folks, if anything.

Anyhow, I like your suggestion.

Ye i still remember ppl calling out that 2g per day would break the market. But i kinda like the idea of a small time gate on each new wing it makes more ppl wonna try the actual thing. But not to long like 2 days tops id say since wold forst clears dont take that much.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

zealex.9410:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

I think it’s a great idea for the first 3 wings — those have all been out for a while, so there’s no reason to ‘hide’ or gate the sections. As stated above, anyone can get in now by paying an opener; seems like an unnecessary step for players.

(For new wings as they come out, I would be okay if they asked us to go through the wing in the designed order.)

im not sure tho that might trigger some ppl.

ANet giving 2g for dailies triggered people too
Hard to figure out what pleases some folks, if anything.

Anyhow, I like your suggestion.

I wish y’all wouldn’t use “trigger” that way. It’s pretty horrible for people who actually suffered trauma. (Also, “triggers” for PTSD after real trauma can be pretty … unlikely, such as a guy I know who is literally triggered by pictures of kittens because … well, add an abusive parent, and fill in the rest from your imagination. It’s probably less awful than the truth.)

Anyway… 2g a day will have contributed to moving up the prices of everything in the game, because it increases the amount of money floating around, so TP costs and so forth will have moved up some.

It’s the nature of the beast: because people have more money, they pay slightly higher prices on “buy it now”, or offer slightly higher on buy orders to get their needs met first, and then the next person along lists at or close to the current price, not the previously slightly lower price.

Economically, it’s probably not that much of a big thing, though, because unlike AB multi-loot with the 5x to 10x the expected reward, it’s a relatively small contribution to player wealth compared to normal play. If they simply added one more world boss it would have moved income roughly the same amount.

SlippyCheeze.5483:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

zealex.9410:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

I think it’s a great idea for the first 3 wings — those have all been out for a while, so there’s no reason to ‘hide’ or gate the sections. As stated above, anyone can get in now by paying an opener; seems like an unnecessary step for players.

(For new wings as they come out, I would be okay if they asked us to go through the wing in the designed order.)

im not sure tho that might trigger some ppl.

ANet giving 2g for dailies triggered people too
Hard to figure out what pleases some folks, if anything.

Anyhow, I like your suggestion.

I wish y’all wouldn’t use “trigger” that way. It’s pretty horrible for people who actually suffered trauma. (Also, “triggers” for PTSD after real trauma can be pretty … unlikely, such as a guy I know who is literally triggered by pictures of kittens because … well, add an abusive parent, and fill in the rest from your imagination. It’s probably less awful than the truth.)

I’ll reconsider my use of it.

However, I think that colloquial cat is long out of the back bag. “Trigger” first got overused by people who had less serious issues than PTSD and it’s been a meme for ages. That is, even you convince me to stop using it ironically, there are still millions of others out there who won’t even realize that there’s an issue.

edit: typo

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

I think it’s a great idea for the first 3 wings — those have all been out for a while, so there’s no reason to ‘hide’ or gate the sections. As stated above, anyone can get in now by paying an opener; seems like an unnecessary step for players.

(For new wings as they come out, I would be okay if they asked us to go through the wing in the designed order.)

Like you said yourself though, people can get into any instance they want by paying an opener. It doesn’t matter if it is W1 or BotP. So if this were to happen I don’t see any real reason to exclude new raids as they are released.

OriOri.8724:

Like you said yourself though, people can get into any instance they want by paying an opener. It doesn’t matter if it is W1 or BotP. So if this were to happen I don’t see any real reason to exclude new raids as they are released.

Any reason would be real enough if the developers decide it so.
Personally don’t see why it cant be anything from 1 week to 1 month to whenever the next wing is released. It really depends how much value they want to give to raids being completed as intended vs those who want just the story bits right then. Especially with a workaround in place anyway, the time in between barely matters other than by design.

I don’t think opening a cleared instance without having killed everything is a good approach. My suggestion is to allow players who have already beaten a boss to reopen up to that boss whenever they want during that week only assuming they’ve killed the earlier bosses. This is important to maintain the progression of the wing and encourage players to do the bosses in order. Example:

• You’ve cleared W3
  • You can open Escort, KC, Twisted Castle, Xera, Cleared Instance
• You’ve beaten Cairn and nothing else in W4
  • You can open Cairn and Mursaat Overseer only
• You’ve beaten Mursaat Overseer and nothing else in W4
  • You can open Cairn only

That’s fair, too, Rising Dusk. Mostly, the idea is to reduce or eliminate the need for gate monkeys ‘openers’.

Rising Dusk.2408:

I don’t think opening a cleared instance without having killed everything is a good approach. My suggestion is to allow players who have already beaten a boss to reopen up to that boss whenever they want during that week only assuming they’ve killed the earlier bosses. This is important to maintain the progression of the wing and encourage players to do the bosses in order. Example:

I think the idea is mostly so that players who do not want to do the raid can enter a “cleared” instance so that they can explore story aspects. People open finished instances for people to explore regardless. So why not let there be a button for it. At least thats the argumentation. Ofcourse having completed it and being able to open could easily be seen as an earned privilege as well.

But other than that.
Personally I never liked the weekly reset and needing to do the bosses in order every single week just to encourage people to do them in order. It’s something that feels incredibly forced to redo previously beaten bosses. I rather save that kill indefinitely and being able to select each boss with your proposed system.

I realize that that is opening the bosses up for picking the easiest ones and not caring about harder ones. And it might run into fractal-like practices of just doing 1 fractal to farm it. But im not sure if that trumps the ability to open up raids as something you can work on over the stretch of a longer than a week period especially with a weekly reset. I think that this favourism might happen anyway as people simply look for people who can open raids at a desired point, rather than to be stuck with a half-limiting system that just hinders people in their preferred enjoyment. Ofcourse also that entirely breaks up the raid instances as more people are able to pick and choose.

I’m mostly questioning the added value of doing the bosses in order. Why do people need to be encouraged to do them in order? It could be another layer of challenge I suppose, but it’s more a time constraint and weekly hindrance than a challenge the way I see it.

Rising Dusk.2408:

I don’t think opening a cleared instance without having killed everything is a good approach. My suggestion is to allow players who have already beaten a boss to reopen up to that boss whenever they want during that week only assuming they’ve killed the earlier bosses. This is important to maintain the progression of the wing and encourage players to do the bosses in order. Example:

• You’ve cleared W3
  • You can open Escort, KC, Twisted Castle, Xera, Cleared Instance
• You’ve beaten Cairn and nothing else in W4
  • You can open Cairn and Mursaat Overseer only
• You’ve beaten Mursaat Overseer and nothing else in W4
  • You can open Cairn only

I think its too much of a hassle. Ppl can already open the instance on the boss they have yet to kill for that week without the need to do the ones they killed.
Also i dont see a reason to reopen bosses after you already did them. Don’t forget this feature if for lore fans who dont clear raids and just want to get to exploit the instance collect the notes read the lore see the cutscens.

In the end some mercenaries cleared ot before you, you just join to invastigate afterwards

OriOri.8724:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

I think it’s a great idea for the first 3 wings — those have all been out for a while, so there’s no reason to ‘hide’ or gate the sections. As stated above, anyone can get in now by paying an opener; seems like an unnecessary step for players.

(For new wings as they come out, I would be okay if they asked us to go through the wing in the designed order.)

Like you said yourself though, people can get into any instance they want by paying an opener. It doesn’t matter if it is W1 or BotP. So if this were to happen I don’t see any real reason to exclude new raids as they are released.

It creates more value in clearing the raids when they come out. Suddenly clearimg the raid holds greater importance since now ppl cant join for a period before that happens. This can create a feel of engagement to the bigger parts of the community makimg the first clear race all the more exiting, fun for alot more ppl.

FrizzFreston.5290:

I’m mostly questioning the added value of doing the bosses in order. Why do people need to be encouraged to do them in order? It could be another layer of challenge I suppose, but it’s more a time constraint and weekly hindrance than a challenge the way I see it.

The reason—whether or not you agree that it matters—is because the raids have narratives that tell stories. I get that it can feel like a hassle, but having this progression actually creates more compelling content both for new players encountering the content for the first time and for veterans who like to see progress made over the course of a week. Raids have this narrative by conscious decision on the part of ANet, and while the encounters could theoretically be designed like Fractals (ie. no raid wings at all and only singular bosses), they specifically decided against that and that decision inhibits them yanking everything apart now.

zealex.9410:

Also i dont see a reason to reopen bosses after you already did them.

Because you want to reopen them for guildies to get kills, to practice, or just to have fun.

Rising Dusk.2408:

FrizzFreston.5290:

I’m mostly questioning the added value of doing the bosses in order. Why do people need to be encouraged to do them in order? It could be another layer of challenge I suppose, but it’s more a time constraint and weekly hindrance than a challenge the way I see it.

The reason—whether or not you agree that it matters—is because the raids have narratives that tell stories. I get that it can feel like a hassle, but having this progression actually creates more compelling content both for new players encountering the content for the first time and for veterans who like to see progress made over the course of a week. Raids have this narrative by conscious decision on the part of ANet, and while the encounters could theoretically be designed like Fractals (ie. no raid wings at all and only singular bosses), they specifically decided against that and that decision inhibits them yanking everything apart now.

Yeah, I mostly realised that as I wrote my post. Still does make me wonder about people opening up instances at specific progress stages at all. As people look for openers just to pick and choose regardless of following story. I do understand that the game is designed to have the raid done chronologically, so I guess limiting the option to ignore that and are able to open it for others is why it is in place as it is.

Still would love to save progress longer than a week, though it would just be part of how far can you get in one wing per playthrough, and progress saving is just a nice feature.

Rising Dusk.2408:

FrizzFreston.5290:

I’m mostly questioning the added value of doing the bosses in order. Why do people need to be encouraged to do them in order? It could be another layer of challenge I suppose, but it’s more a time constraint and weekly hindrance than a challenge the way I see it.

The reason—whether or not you agree that it matters—is because the raids have narratives that tell stories. I get that it can feel like a hassle, but having this progression actually creates more compelling content both for new players encountering the content for the first time and for veterans who like to see progress made over the course of a week. Raids have this narrative by conscious decision on the part of ANet, and while the encounters could theoretically be designed like Fractals (ie. no raid wings at all and only singular bosses), they specifically decided against that and that decision inhibits them yanking everything apart now.

zealex.9410:

Also i dont see a reason to reopen bosses after you already did them.

Because you want to reopen them for guildies to get kills, to practice, or just to have fun.

so lets say if someone who hasnt cleared the raid they will want to go in and experience the lore. They go in open the first boss experience the pre fight dialogue then go out and open the instance with the first biss being dead so they move on to boss 2?

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

SlippyCheeze.5483:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

zealex.9410:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

I think it’s a great idea for the first 3 wings — those have all been out for a while, so there’s no reason to ‘hide’ or gate the sections. As stated above, anyone can get in now by paying an opener; seems like an unnecessary step for players.

(For new wings as they come out, I would be okay if they asked us to go through the wing in the designed order.)

im not sure tho that might trigger some ppl.

ANet giving 2g for dailies triggered people too
Hard to figure out what pleases some folks, if anything.

Anyhow, I like your suggestion.

I wish y’all wouldn’t use “trigger” that way. It’s pretty horrible for people who actually suffered trauma. (Also, “triggers” for PTSD after real trauma can be pretty … unlikely, such as a guy I know who is literally triggered by pictures of kittens because … well, add an abusive parent, and fill in the rest from your imagination. It’s probably less awful than the truth.)

I’ll reconsider my use of it.

However, I think that colloquial cat is long out of the back. “Trigger” first got overused by people who had less serious issues than PTSD and it’s been a meme for ages. That is, even you convince me to stop using it ironically, there are still millions of others out there who won’t even realize that there’s an issue.

I know right. That would be like me getting offended by people bragging they can function on two hours of sleep because I have narcolepsy and get less than 15 minutes of deep sleep a night.

On a related note, could we get the option to open a clean instance? It’s rather annoying hosting raids and finding someone who hasn’t opened during the week. Just make it so you can’t get rewards from that boss again like it already does.

Chase.8415:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

SlippyCheeze.5483:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

zealex.9410:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

I think it’s a great idea for the first 3 wings — those have all been out for a while, so there’s no reason to ‘hide’ or gate the sections. As stated above, anyone can get in now by paying an opener; seems like an unnecessary step for players.

(For new wings as they come out, I would be okay if they asked us to go through the wing in the designed order.)

im not sure tho that might trigger some ppl.

ANet giving 2g for dailies triggered people too
Hard to figure out what pleases some folks, if anything.

Anyhow, I like your suggestion.

I wish y’all wouldn’t use “trigger” that way. It’s pretty horrible for people who actually suffered trauma. (Also, “triggers” for PTSD after real trauma can be pretty … unlikely, such as a guy I know who is literally triggered by pictures of kittens because … well, add an abusive parent, and fill in the rest from your imagination. It’s probably less awful than the truth.)

I’ll reconsider my use of it.

However, I think that colloquial cat is long out of the back. “Trigger” first got overused by people who had less serious issues than PTSD and it’s been a meme for ages. That is, even you convince me to stop using it ironically, there are still millions of others out there who won’t even realize that there’s an issue.

I know right. That would be like me getting offended by people bragging they can function on two hours of sleep because I have narcolepsy and get less than 15 minutes of deep sleep a night.

More akin to getting upset when they looked at you, and said “meh, narcolepsy is just a made up ‘disease’ invented by lazy people”, if you want to use that as an analogy. (Which, for the record, does happen, and is equally awful.)

Anyway, it’s partly the difference between asking someone who you hang out with regularly about it, as opposed to some random stranger on the street who you see once, in this context.

PS: if folks on the other side were using it for frivolous issues, I’d ask the same thing of them, for the same reasons. So it’s just the tactics for stopping misuse of the term that we disagree on here.