Guild Wars 2

I just beat Arah p4 with 3 friends, 2 of them left so we can sell the spots. I was gonna stick around to make sure everything goes smooth. Boss was at 1%, nobody was buying, so we were just standing around. Then, a few people joined, and seconds later, we both get kicked from the dungeon. Once Cursed Shore loads up, I get a prompt to join Arah Explorable. I do, and it turns out it’s a p2 instance and the guy is trying to sell it.

What happened was, someone joined our initial party, and then simply clicked Merge Parties with someone else in LFG. He single-handedly destroyed our instance, and there was absolutely nothing anyone could do.

I personally am never selling another slot on LFG, because this can happen to anyone. I would love it if gw2lfg.com could be revisited just as a tool for dungeon selling, just so I get the option of declining a party invite. Selling an instance feels so incredibly vulnerable right now.

I would only do it again if there was some network of trusted dungeon sellers/buyers, where kitten like this is guaranteed not to happen. Just wanted to let you all know, heads up and watch out.

Don’t sell spots… Simple.

Fortunately devs are aware of this: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/LFG-tool-Group-Merging/first#post3190689

But yeah, in the meantime, it sucks. :\

I’ve even seen people create “destroy instance” LFG topics: they merge their 2 man group with arah sellers to kick the instanceholder so he can’t sell his spots. Pretty kitten move if you ask me.

This has been happening for a while, since 2 patches ago IIRC. Nothing we can do. Not selling spots isn’t an option, just grid your teeth and accept the kick once in a while.

The exact same thing just happened to 3 of us trying to sell Arah path 4. One of us got a whisper from a certain person who is known for destroying instances, but unfortunately I cannot name and shame. They “warned” us that we cannot sell p4 at 15g, I noticed another group was selling at 18g at the time. A few minutes later, someone joined our party, and merged us with another party selling path 2. So our instance was destroyed by some random person, and we could do absolutely nothing about it. We got another whisper saying “I warned you last week that you can only sell at the agreed upon 18gold for path 4 only”. Not only were we not even selling last week, but what the actual kitten is that? So now there’s one person who decides what price we can sell for? And if you don’t comply with the “agreed upon” rate they destroy your instance. Honestly so angry that Anet can allow such a stupid bug to persist for so long. I don’t even think they are doing anything about it. It’s just safer to stick to the LFG website because you are completely vulnerable due to ANYONE being able to destroy the instance YOU created. Please tell me how genius this merge option is.

jportell.2197:

Don’t sell spots… Simple.

There’s still an easily abused bug/flaw in the LFG tool, unrelated to the selling of spots. The same thing can happen to a group where some party members leave for other reasons. You don’t offer a solution, just useless moralizing.

The best thing to do is to have the friends stay and invite one person at a time. If you have 2 or more open spots, they can either use the merge parties or have another friend join to second the kick.

Isabella.5796:

The exact same thing just happened to 3 of us trying to sell Arah path 4. One of us got a whisper from a certain person who is known for destroying instances, but unfortunately I cannot name and shame. They “warned” us that we cannot sell p4 at 15g, I noticed another group was selling at 18g at the time. A few minutes later, someone joined our party, and merged us with another party selling path 2. So our instance was destroyed by some random person, and we could do absolutely nothing about it. We got another whisper saying “I warned you last week that you can only sell at the agreed upon 18gold for path 4 only”. Not only were we not even selling last week, but what the actual kitten is that? So now there’s one person who decides what price we can sell for? And if you don’t comply with the “agreed upon” rate they destroy your instance. Honestly so angry that Anet can allow such a stupid bug to persist for so long. I don’t even think they are doing anything about it. It’s just safer to stick to the LFG website because you are completely vulnerable due to ANYONE being able to destroy the instance YOU created. Please tell me how genius this merge option is.

It’s the seller mafia.

laharl.8435:

Isabella.5796:

The exact same thing just happened to 3 of us trying to sell Arah path 4. One of us got a whisper from a certain person who is known for destroying instances, but unfortunately I cannot name and shame. They “warned” us that we cannot sell p4 at 15g, I noticed another group was selling at 18g at the time. A few minutes later, someone joined our party, and merged us with another party selling path 2. So our instance was destroyed by some random person, and we could do absolutely nothing about it. We got another whisper saying “I warned you last week that you can only sell at the agreed upon 18gold for path 4 only”. Not only were we not even selling last week, but what the actual kitten is that? So now there’s one person who decides what price we can sell for? And if you don’t comply with the “agreed upon” rate they destroy your instance. Honestly so angry that Anet can allow such a stupid bug to persist for so long. I don’t even think they are doing anything about it. It’s just safer to stick to the LFG website because you are completely vulnerable due to ANYONE being able to destroy the instance YOU created. Please tell me how genius this merge option is.

It’s the seller mafia.

LOL

So there’s a price cartel now on selling dungeon runs? I don’t really approve of selling runs in the first place, but that’s a new low. >.>

I don’t even know how it is up to one self-allocated person who can now dictate what price to sell at, and this must apply to everyone, on every EU server at least. Crazy. I reported them for abusing the LFG tool, but 99% sure nothing will ever happen to them. They actually told me that it’s Anet’s fault for allowing such a bug, and I agree and am quite appalled that they can turn such a blind eye to an actual game-breaking bug that can ruin anyone’s dungeon group, but apparently that makes it ok to abuse it as much as possible?

Its incredibly annoying when people undercut you especially when you have half the group filled already. You are essentially forced to keep them waiting for even longer. But destroying peoples instances is just sad. Ive been put off selling for now simply because of how inconsiderate some sellers are. Path 4 is the only path i consider worth selling atm but with the amount of people who undercut you as soon as you post just puts me right off. If lupi skip was fixed id start selling p2 every now and again though, atm the price is just too low because of the exploiters.

Isabella.5796:

The exact same thing just happened to 3 of us trying to sell Arah path 4. One of us got a whisper from a certain person who is known for destroying instances, but unfortunately I cannot name and shame. They “warned” us that we cannot sell p4 at 15g, I noticed another group was selling at 18g at the time. A few minutes later, someone joined our party, and merged us with another party selling path 2. So our instance was destroyed by some random person, and we could do absolutely nothing about it. We got another whisper saying “I warned you last week that you can only sell at the agreed upon 18gold for path 4 only”. Not only were we not even selling last week, but what the actual kitten is that? So now there’s one person who decides what price we can sell for? And if you don’t comply with the “agreed upon” rate they destroy your instance. Honestly so angry that Anet can allow such a stupid bug to persist for so long. I don’t even think they are doing anything about it. It’s just safer to stick to the LFG website because you are completely vulnerable due to ANYONE being able to destroy the instance YOU created. Please tell me how genius this merge option is.

I am not of those that does understand path selling, but this that happened to you is really bad.
Anet should decide really. If they accept dungeon path selling, which seems they do, they should put all the tools in order to prevent this kind of thing.

For those legit dungeon sellers, the community would be much less toxic with three simple things:
- Correct the lfg and group merge
- Correct all the exploits
- 4 votes needed to kick someone

Those of you selling legit paths would be protected and suspicions about abusive kicks and exploits would cease.

Would be even better if they put a way to sell paths in an effective way, like a window where the buyer puts the money in entering the instance and the money is only transferred to the seller if the buyer opens the last chest in the instance.

4 votes needed for a kick seems a bit too much, 3 would be enough or only allow the group leader or the one who started the dungeon to ask for a kick.

I agree with Jerem on this matter : dungeon starter should be the only one to be able to call for a kick.

I’d add that the instance owner should protected from kicks so as not to destroy the instance by mistake. And he should have a prompting message when he tries to quit the group/dc.

Well, I was trying to find a solution to prevent all the multiple complaints about abusive kicks from the PUGs… This would help clean the image of the sellers.

3 votes to kick or instance owner calling for the votes will change nothing in my opinion. I see no reason to not make it a 4 man kick.
Only the pugs joining parties of 4 persons of the same guild might fear getting kicked for selling their spot.

2 votes is ridiculous, 3 is a bit better and would make it logical since it is the majority. Make it 4 and no one will ever complain anymore about abusive kicks.

My opinion only.

But with 4 you cant stop 2 griefers joining. Atleast they wont be able to kick the host anymore but you wont be able to remove them either.

spoj.9672:

But with 4 you cant stop 2 griefers joining. Atleast they wont be able to kick the host anymore but you wont be able to remove them either.

True.
I guess there is no perfect solution but anyways I doubt Anet even considers raising the votes to 3.
I don’t understand why.

That’s pretty sad. lol @ seller mafia…

I agree undercutting isn’t good either, we have always sold at 15g, never use any exploits or skips, we kill every boss as normal, as far as I know we were the only group selling at the time, we weren’t undercutting anyone, but this person decided to ruin our instance anyway. I think I’ll steer away from the LFG tool for now, too risky to try sell.

I have noticed lately that whenever I am in a party of 2 or more, I dont have the option to merge parties. Was it like this before or is this a reaction from Anet so people cannot abuse the “merge parties” instance kick?

not a fan of what happened, but if that stop people to sell instances then i’m happy it happened. ^^

My suggestion to fix this issue would be to implement a party leader mechanism. The person who starts the party would be leader. I’ve listed below how I think it should work.

- the player that starts the party or created the lfg post is party leader
- party leader can pass on the leader role to any member in the party but then loses the role
- only party leader can request a kick that must be seconded but cannot be kicked himself
- only party leader can repost on lfg and remove, merge or disband the group.
- if party leader leaves the role is passed to a selected player or to the person who joined the party first.

In my opinion this would solve all issues presented in this thread as well as kicks when the instance opener dcs or rage quits.

Titanimite.2534:

My suggestion to fix this issue would be to implement a party leader mechanism. The person who starts the party would be leader. I’ve listed below how I think it should work.

- the player that starts the party or created the lfg post is party leader
- party leader can pass on the leader role to any member in the party but then loses the role
- only party leader can request a kick that must be seconded but cannot be kicked himself
- only party leader can repost on lfg and remove, merge or disband the group.
- if party leader leaves the role is passed to a selected player or to the person who joined the party first.

In my opinion this would solve all issues presented in this thread as well as kicks when the instance opener dcs or rage quits.

.. sounds good to me