Guild Wars 2

Okey I have been starting to farm seriously for my legendary now and started doing dungeons and fotm. While the game itself is just getting better and better the game lfg tool and group function is in my opinion one of the more bad one I’ve seen in mmorpgs.

I don’t have that many friends that play gw2 as much as I do and therefore I need to pug by using lfg tool. Now after a time I really feel it needs to be changes and improvements. Many of the things I will bring up has already been brought up throughout the forum several times. But still, several cons about pugs in gw2 has existed since release and haven’t been fixed yet which in my opinion is really bad.

1. Groupleader leaving resulting in resetting the dungeon. This just needs to be fixed.

2. Merge parties. If I write in lfg-tool ‘’P1+P3 fast run, 5k+ ap’’ (I feel the necessity to make this more clear. If I write ‘’fast run’’ of course I use my zerker for it. It’s not my main choice because I hardly do fast runs anymore, sorry for not being clear about that) I do it because I don’t want an unexperienced player with me and if someone merge my party together with those players. I end up with someone I don’t want to play with hence making the game frustrating for me cause now I need to explain the dungeon run and the time to finish it doubles if I don’t leave that is.

3. Filter in lfg tool. Make a filter in lfg tool where you can enter things such as min-max lvl, times done dungeon/path, minimum AP points etc. etc. Something that makes you end up in parties with players who shares the same experience as you do.

Bottom line is. The game encourages players to get together but as of now pugging and doing dungeons is a wild shot and as a more experienced player I don’t want to be punished and have a bad time just because I don’t have enough friends.

Thank you.

a t s e.9614:

Those are the groups I will never join . AP requirement and nothing else. No wonder you get bads in your group. Brb , gonna zerg living story to get more AP , it will make me better at dungeons.

Are you sure the people that join your group are inexperinced? Just a question what gear and build you are using?

Don’t fixate just on one thing I wrote such as AP. Even your reaction towards people such as me searching for people with high amounts of AP is evidence enough that this game needs something better to qualify an experienced player in respective dungeon.

If a players don’t use my mesmer portal in cof p1 at the part when you need to lit three ’’torches’’ and he/she dies try running through the rocks I’ll take that as inexperienced. If a person holds the hammer in cliffside fractal to 40 ticks I’ll take that as inexperienced. If a person aren’t familiar with the three phases of giganticus lupicus I’ll take that as inexperienced. Note the difference between inexperineced and bad players. Inexperienced I can handle to a certain degree but bad players that’s another topic.

I won’t let you judge me as player cause of my build or gear. I can tell you that I have three 80’s I do dungeons with. All three have different gear and builds. One of them however is a zerker but is not my main choice when I run dungeons.

Imo as 1st Thing that should be immediatly changed is Kicking from party system.
Simply two trolls that make grp that are friends, can kick 3 other to replace them for last bosses in Fractals for daily( to get slacking guild members/friends or other lazy….)
4-5 VOtes to remove is way to go….

This is EXACTLY the reason I don’t join those " 10k AP only" groups . Just look at your post , you said you wanted a fast run but your main choice of gear is not berserker. There is no fast run with cleric gear. I say cleric because anything that is not zerker in pve = cleric aka worthless.

Your post should be appropriate to your own gear\experience. If you do not have an optimal build for dungeons do not write fast run, because its not going to be fast and that would waste time of the people that actually look for speed runs.

If there a thing that should be done , its deleting those worthless achievemnts points from the game because it makes this wierd illusion of being a great player when in reality you just need to press 1111 everytime a new living story patch comes out to get those precious achievements points.

Restricting your group based on AP will only get you AP farmers, and not necessarily skilled dungeon runners. Don’t advertise “speed run” in your posts if you are running a “survivalist” mesmer or whatever.

If this game had some kind of way to inspect gear on other players you would be the one getting booted from parties, and not the lower AP players that happen to know how to speed run dungeons.

Its interesting to see that even players that are far from following the meta still have an elitist behaviour. I’ve seen longbow rangers making groups for AC and kicking other members based on their AP or being below lvl 80. A decent lvl 50 warrior is better to have in the group than the lvl 80 ranger that doesnt bring spotter and frost spirit.

I gear check people regardless. I have them ping or gtfo.

So what does gear check mean in pugs? I’m just curious. Like, gear and trinkets, skills, weapons, utilities?

I’ve only gear checked for agony. Just wondering. ^^

LittleLepton.8915:

So what does gear check mean in pugs? I’m just curious. Like, gear and trinkets, skills, weapons, utilities?

I’ve only gear checked for agony. Just wondering. ^^

In the pugs I’ve been in it always means everything zerk (weapons, armor, trinkets), scholar runes or at the very least ruby orbs and trinkets ascended. Or a combo of assassins and zerk.

They never go as far as first stacking bloodlust then sigil of night though (or in day dungeons, w/e best sigil for that dungeon). At least, not in the ones I join.

Do you want to get good people in LFG? Advertise it this way: path X NO rush (Looking for Good attitude and patient players).

Yes, they will be newbies in the dungeon. And yes, you’ll need to explain. And yes one more time, it will be long and not a rush run. But in exchange you will get a lot of fun, you will complete the dungeon without insults and the most important thing? You will make a bound and friends to team with for next runs or dungeons.

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Way to stereotype experienced players.

In regards to AP requirements:
AP does NOT equal dungeon experience. Everybody that actually IS experienced knows this. It is nonetheless a basic indicator if your fellow player has some experience in the game.

The basic guideline I follow for explanations:
AP < 1k = explain the mechanics unasked
1k < AP < 2k = ask if they want explanations
> 2k = explain if I feel that that (someone in) the group would benefit

Always keep in mind that you can learn from anyone, independent from AP. Quite a few high-AP players like to forget that rule, but I happily remind them.

In regards to LFG tool usage (and I think there has been a post somewhere on this forums in more detail about this):
- Px: Don’t care about level or experience.
- Px, 80: Level 80, don’t care about experience.
- Px, 80, exp: Level 80, know the core dungeon mechanics.
- Px, 80, speedrun: Level 80, know the dungeon in detail, proper equipment (e.g. PVT might improve your survivability, but at the expense of your teammembers).

Note: If I look for a specific class, I will add this in description.

All this doesn’t save you from bad apples, but that’s the risk you take in pugging.
And if I’m in a group with people that obviously lack manners (uncontrolled swearing etc.) or are unwilling to at least listen to suggestions, I leave.

Actually it doesn’t really matter. There is no real way to know based on LFG that you will get good people. Low or High AP doesn’t really since someone could have started the game late but they focus a lot of their time learning and mastering dungeons.

Like even today I saw an LFG post for CoE and it stated dps + experience. However, when I join it was far from that. The group was part premade and those players didn’t know what they were doing and such.

It just shows that you really can’t trust the descriptions for LFG most of the time you see listings asking for high AP, experience, and even things like speed run and some times they aren’t like that some times they are. Usually it is pretty random if you’ll get a good group or not.

Honestly the best way is to just find a guild that has the dungeon style you want (experience speed runs for example) or making friends from some of the good players you see in your PUG runs.

This is how I do it. My advertisement is usually along the lines of:

Zerk Gear + melee only- Scholar preferred -Gear checking- Touring multi dungeons.

I usually have one other person who is a friend in my party and the kicking fest begins. Usually the first 6 or so joins are complete illiterates. We kick those, takes about 3 or so minutes, as we fill fast. They ping, I accept anything that is full zerker base including accessories and full melee weapons ( acceptable ones, eg. axe/mace GS for warrior. Sword/warhorn for ranger.) with either ruby orbs or scholar. I take care when recruiting warriors to make sure they not only ping their GS, but their axe and mace.. Too many times I have seen GS campers.

I only take guardians/necromancers/rangers under exceptional circumstances. The community has proven it self to be completely incapable of running correct builds on these classes the majority of the time. While there is a stigma around bowbear rangers, more often than not the worst players that join are the guardians in their ‘tank/heal gear’ and their AH builds. To avoid this I just run on my own guardian.

I get death threats, I get called all kinds of names, I get whispers and etc from people who couldn’t read the description and were booted. I find this hilarious. Nothing satisfies me more than knowing I kitten e’d off the shoutheal warrior who could have potentially leeched from my party.

I never kick someone once the dungeon has started unless they are particularly awful. It’s always before, I do a very thorough job of weeding out the time wasters so as to prevent such a circumstance from occurring as I dislike wasting people’s time and my own.

So far this has negated many awful runs that I could have had. When I see some of the horrible sets people ping and their nasty attitudes when they are told to read the party description before joining I know I’ve dodged many a monotonous bullet.

I get you guys.
But realy… sometimes you can write things in the grp-Description… and nobody read it anyway…

Normaly I open a PuG, because the chance of beeing kicked is lower. If they do, they did the whole thing for nothing, because it was my instance…
Why I do this? Because I had some runs, where they kicked me at the bossfractal to invite a guildy or someone who pays… no thanks…
The LFG- tool should fix this situation (besides the usual bugs…).

I would make a clear- lineup plan. Say, what you want in YOUR grp: full Zerk, 2 Worriors, 2 Guards, Ele or Ranger. Friendly ppl., gearcheck…. Ask, if your ppl skilled the right things…

And remember… the LFG- tool is in Beta. So we should bring some awsome ideas to the devs… (Besides the limitations as "Language, gear, AR)
How about a “PVE-Ranking?”. (Fractals-Ranking is planned isn`t it?).
How about a player-to-player assessement. (Like SWTOR-WvW).
Perhaps a small DPS/DMG-Tool (with no concrete numbers…). (Bevore everybody starts to yell… i mean something like a green bar… nothing with “Player xy did yy dmg”.)
Perhaps the Player has first to agree to activate this in certain grps.
Or it shows only up, after xx Time or xx Wipes or something like that…

If this doesn`t work there is only one last option: Don`t go with PuG`s.
Even if we have all this options, we can never be shure of the other players. Maybe they have a bad day or a brother with no knowledge of the game is playing.
We could post our asc. bers. gear, but we can not be shure if Worrior XY din`t change to clerics after the first mob.

As a recent boomerang, this is what I’ve learned from the LFG tool:

• Apparently, you need 4k AP to be even considered worthy of their brain time. Most groups expect you to have 8k. Sweet. Only 7k to go to be considered worthy. See you all in 3 years, I guess.
• If you’re not a warrior, you suck. Sometimes, an elementalist is fine, but only for the regen.
• People stack for everything, and don’t even know why. Your average AC run goes like this: All goes fine up to the spider queen. Someone insults everyone else until they stack at the pillar at the bottom of the stairs. The queen is pulled, and then everyone dies. Repeat a few times, and then people leave “beacuse this group sucks”.
• You need to be level 80, experienced, and in full exotic to do AC.
• Ppl typ liek dis, and expect me to understand it. Couple it with lots of insults and constantly repeating “omg”, and I understand even less of what you want from me.
• Anything, anything at all, and you get a kick. Sometimes even for nothing. Just because kitten you.
• You don’t have a name. You have a class. And you will be called “mes”, or “ele”, just to make it very clear that you are worth less than the dirt under their soles to them. Only worthy people have names. You do not.
• If you fall behind, nobody will wait for you. Ever. If they even notice, you will just get insulted, and probably kicked.
• You’ve never done this dungeon before? That’s a kickin’

I feel the need to bring this to the table: players who add requirements to the description when they themselves don’t meet such criteria.

I just….after all this kitten i got from pugs and people who can’t read descriptions, i just don’t pug anymore and ask my guilds/friendlist for dungeons and 2-4 man dungeons.

Sometimes i feel like “carrying” pugs and post in LFG for berserker/assassin gear + melee and for them to ping some of their gear. Usually i have to ask people to link some of their gear 5 times until they either leave or link their PVT/conditon gear, then i tell them to read descriptions properly next time, kick them and cry/rage.

After 2-3 kicked pugs i just give up and we proceed clearing the dungeon like that and invite some friendlies for the final boss.

Ariete.6509:

I feel the need to bring this to the table: players who add requirements to the description when they themselves don’t meet such criteria.

Also, this. So many times i see ranger/necros, as an example, start lfg’s and ask for speedrun/experienced, then i go in there and check them out just for the hell of it. Axebird Bearbows, Staff campers, condiscrubs etc.

No.

swiftpaw.6397:

I gear check people regardless. I have them ping or gtfo.

All I really want is a way to filter out people by gear. For instance, you can’t even join the group unless you have all of a certain gear type and if you change a piece after the fact you immediately get booted by the game.

Unfortunately, I don’t have a good in game friend to help kick and weed people out so I end up running with total randoms all the time. At least I usually know one minute in how people are geared based on how fast/slow the enemies are dying.

After a few bad experience (owner ragequits or me getting kicked for dying), I start to host my own dungeon and set the attitude casual. I’m especially thankful when some experienced guys join my party and show us the rope, but most of the time I only ask a few things of others like to have AR, have some DPS, and know the basic stacking/skipping. To me, the dungeon is fun with good attitude people, rather than with all skilled people. The LFG seems fine as it is, in my opinion.

The only problem I agree with is to grief by kicking the owner instance. If the owner instance cannot be kicked then merging party is ok too.

I also want to add the experienced people I have met are usually in the range of 2k-4k AP or over 10k AP. Last night in CM, I had this warrior who is lvl 80, 1k AP, dressed in drag-looking armor but effectively knows everything inside out and never died once. It’s a funny surprise.

Guys let him play how he wants , cleric mesmers can also look for speed runs , you know that right?

The in game lfg is not very reliable to me, I prefer to use my guild and friends list to get people together for my dungeons.

So basically..in your opinion what should be done is totally kicking new players from any dungeon content and just allow elitist jerks to team up…cool, wish it happened to you when you were new.

swiftpaw.6397:

This is how I do it. My advertisement is usually along the lines of:

Zerk Gear + melee only- Scholar preferred -Gear checking- Touring multi dungeons.

I usually have one other person who is a friend in my party and the kicking fest begins. Usually the first 6 or so joins are complete illiterates. We kick those, takes about 3 or so minutes, as we fill fast. They ping, I accept anything that is full zerker base including accessories and full melee weapons ( acceptable ones, eg. axe/mace GS for warrior. Sword/warhorn for ranger.) with either ruby orbs or scholar. I take care when recruiting warriors to make sure they not only ping their GS, but their axe and mace.. Too many times I have seen GS campers.

I only take guardians/necromancers/rangers under exceptional circumstances. The community has proven it self to be completely incapable of running correct builds on these classes the majority of the time. While there is a stigma around bowbear rangers, more often than not the worst players that join are the guardians in their ‘tank/heal gear’ and their AH builds. To avoid this I just run on my own guardian.

I get death threats, I get called all kinds of names, I get whispers and etc from people who couldn’t read the description and were booted. I find this hilarious. Nothing satisfies me more than knowing I kitten e’d off the shoutheal warrior who could have potentially leeched from my party.

I never kick someone once the dungeon has started unless they are particularly awful. It’s always before, I do a very thorough job of weeding out the time wasters so as to prevent such a circumstance from occurring as I dislike wasting people’s time and my own.

So far this has negated many awful runs that I could have had. When I see some of the horrible sets people ping and their nasty attitudes when they are told to read the party description before joining I know I’ve dodged many a monotonous bullet.

weird with the attitude you portray in your post that your friend list isnt brimming with people who want to play with you. them pugs eh, them pugs.

Well funnily enough I do have a list of good pugs, I was just explaining the method in general. I also play rather sporadically, sometimes at 4am, other times midday. Not everyone is always available. I keep a list of people with labels on them in my friends tab. Usually something like ‘Warrior Dungeon’ or ‘Mesmer Dungeon’ then I just type in the nickname and if I need for eg. a mesmer my whole list comes up. I like to keep adding more good pugs to my collection, I even add a few of the ones that weren’t as good because they show promise and are willing to learn more tactic wise.

Most times I just run with my guild tbh. I pug maybe once a week.

Pip.2094:

So basically..in your opinion what should be done is totally kicking new players from any dungeon content and just allow elitist jerks to team up…cool, wish it happened to you when you were new.

Nope not at all. I’ll explain and then you can read again cause you clearly misunderstood my WoT.

What I want is to give those more experienced player an option to only search for other experienced player and avoid inexperienced players. That doesn’t mean I want them gone from the game. I just want to make it more enjoyable to pug for those who actually know what to do.

Now please quote to me where I said I want newbies eliminated from dungeon content.

swiftpaw.6397:

Well funnily enough I do have a list of good pugs, I was just explaining the method in general. I also play rather sporadically, sometimes at 4am, other times midday. Not everyone is always available. I keep a list of people with labels on them in my friends tab. Usually something like ‘Warrior Dungeon’ or ‘Mesmer Dungeon’ then I just type in the nickname and if I need for eg. a mesmer my whole list comes up. I like to keep adding more good pugs to my collection, I even add a few of the ones that weren’t as good because they show promise and are willing to learn more tactic wise.

Most times I just run with my guild tbh. I pug maybe once a week.

You can label people in your friend tab? I need to do this. I end up not knowing who’s who.

And op, advertising for “fast run” when you’re not even in zerker? C’mon. I joined a “full melee” arah p3 run a while back. Turned out to be a guild group. They safe spotted mage crusher and were fail melee at lupi. You can’t trust the lfg’s you join and you can’t expect people to respect your lfg. You always get people that won’t run zerker themselves but still want speed runs.

laharl.8435:

swiftpaw.6397:

Well funnily enough I do have a list of good pugs, I was just explaining the method in general. I also play rather sporadically, sometimes at 4am, other times midday. Not everyone is always available. I keep a list of people with labels on them in my friends tab. Usually something like ‘Warrior Dungeon’ or ‘Mesmer Dungeon’ then I just type in the nickname and if I need for eg. a mesmer my whole list comes up. I like to keep adding more good pugs to my collection, I even add a few of the ones that weren’t as good because they show promise and are willing to learn more tactic wise.

Most times I just run with my guild tbh. I pug maybe once a week.

You can label people in your friend tab? I need to do this. I end up not knowing who’s who.

And op, advertising for “fast run” when you’re not even in zerker? C’mon. I joined a “full melee” arah p3 run a while back. Turned out to be a guild group. They safe spotted mage crusher and were fail melee at lupi. You can’t trust the lfg’s you join and you can’t expect people to respect your lfg. You always get people that won’t run zerker themselves but still want speed runs.

Yep, just right click their name and then select ‘Set Nickname’ on your list. Every time you type in that nickname it will come up with all the people you assigned that nickname. I do the same for people on my block list so that I know when the arah kickers are online and active.

Selecting by AP for exemple…..ahahhahaha just a joke ! I have 3100 AP but i run fractal lvl 49 with no problem as an ele. So why only 3100 ap ? Because I just like fractal and McM…….Having only zerk for Cita p1 ? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOl so easy that any kind of stuff is enought. All this things are just stupid and that is not fun nor game, just let these people where they are…….

Machupo.1095:

Selecting by AP for exemple…..ahahhahaha just a joke ! I have 3100 AP but i run fractal lvl 49 with no problem as an ele. So why only 3100 ap ? Because I just like fractal and McM…….Having only zerk for Cita p1 ? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOl so easy that any kind of stuff is enought. All this things are just stupid and that is not fun nor game, just let these people where they are…….

just because it’s easy means you can do things as inefficiently as you can? looks like a pretty sound method of thinking to me.

and I’m guessing you have no problem running fotm 49 as ele because you’re in full tanky gear and get carried by your party.

I’d like to chime in on this topic and don’t want to quote everyone so i’ll just keep it general. Im not trying to start up and argument or take sides but if I can I’d like to give my opinion.

The OP mentions not using zerker gear always and wants to go fast through dungeons. Others comment saying that he’s contradicting himself. I don’t think he is. I myself am sort of alone in the game, no friends in the game and guild is fairly inactive currently so I pug 40, 30, 20, 10 fractals daily and about 6-7 of the faster dungeon paths daily. I still have the 0/0/30/30/10 AH guardian build but I did switch to knights/zerk gear (mostly zerk). I find there is a difference with “speed run” and “quick or fast” run. I used to do speed runs with warior (6minuts CoF path 1) now im content with fast runs of about 10-15 mintues.

Doing a fractal 30+, 40+ in about an hour and 15minutes is ok for me. But the same thing in nearly 2 hours is a problem expecially when your armor is all broken cause you the last one standing often. I just think that a lot of people are probably in the middle ground in which they know the paths well (maybe now all the exploits), know where to run, which areas to skip, don’t die..etc BUT they don’t run full zerk everything and kill lupi in 1 minute…

So I think theres a disconnect among players. although when some writes “know the fights”, I read into that as, I don’t have to tell you everything and you wont die everytime but we can take a couple of extra minutes to kill it .. NOT, zerk it in 2 minutes.. This is just my opinion.

BUT, to clarify, please don’t run clerics gear or PVT gear in a fast CoF run or others like it. Actually, don’t run those in any dungeon… IMO… I don’t know all the classes well enough but for a guardian if you can go full zerk, Great, but if you can’t at least go with things that help your team and still deal damage.. again, IMO.

I would love to do more dugeons and Arah daily but unfortunately I don’t have full zerker and I don’t wanna run with groups that take 2 hours.. so im stuck between a rock and a hard place. Funny enough the other day I ran arah p3 with a group that asked for full zerk, when I told them my gear the hesitated but took me cuase they were stuck for. I lied when I told them I knew how to melee lupi but Im experienced with im and in dungeons. We did it fairly quickly, no one died, I rezed a few of them, they even told me “good job man” since they new each other and didn’t know me. But I don’t have full zerker so most groups don’t let me in and the ones that do don’t melee him.. Too bad for me I guess.

PS.. I would switch to more damage if I new the group and had2-3 attempts at it to get the hang of it.

I think the bottom line is that a lot of people expect a kind of experience out of a random group that they will likely only get from a static organized group. Actually, how about you try to get a static group instead of trolling the LFG tool and looking down on newbies simply for being newbies?

mkaito.6981:

trolling the LFG tool

What?

deSade.9437:

mkaito.6981:

trolling the LFG tool

What?

trolling the lfg tool?
Oh I know what he means, like when those bowbears and AH guard leeches join speedclear parties and waste everyone’s time.

swiftpaw.6397:

deSade.9437:

mkaito.6981:

trolling the LFG tool

What?

trolling the lfg tool?
Oh I know what he means, like when those bowbears and AH guard leeches join speedclear parties and waste everyone’s time.

Or when you set expectations such as 8k+ AP and ascended/zerker for even the easiest dungeons. Sure, it’s your party and you’re entitled to set whatever expectations you want to set. For all I care, you can ask for only people who drive Mercedes newer than 2008, and kick anyone who drives BMW. That doesn’t make it any less ridiculous, though.

When I join a party and get asked to ping my gear, I assume they are just looking for an excuse to boot me, and if it’s not my gear, it will be my build, or my character model. I just leave immediately, so they can continue to search for their ideal player.

mkaito.6981:

swiftpaw.6397:

deSade.9437:

mkaito.6981:

trolling the LFG tool

What?

trolling the lfg tool?
Oh I know what he means, like when those bowbears and AH guard leeches join speedclear parties and waste everyone’s time.

Or when you set expectations such as 8k+ AP and ascended/zerker for even the easiest dungeons. Sure, it’s your party and you’re entitled to set whatever expectations you want to set. For all I care, you can ask for only people who drive Mercedes newer than 2008, and kick anyone who drives BMW. That doesn’t make it any less ridiculous, though.

When I join a party and get asked to ping my gear, I assume they are just looking for an excuse to boot me, and if it’s not my gear, it will be my build, or my character model. I just leave immediately, so they can continue to search for their ideal player.

This does not constitute ‘trolling the LFG’.

Trolling the lfg is when you join a party and try to disband it because you don’t like their description.

Trolling the lfg is joining parties without reading the description then getting upset and throwing a hissy fit because you expect people to roll over and just take you because you clicked ‘join’ without reading.

There is nothing ridiculous about stating what you want in the lfg description. If you don’t like it, that doesn’t automatically = trolling.

And.. please, get me a screenshot of someone kicking you simply for your character model, I literally lol’d.

I actually have seen someone be kicked for their model.

Was many months ago. A couple people from the same guild was mocking someones char calling it ugly, and they removed him.

People really are this pathetic, but It’s few and far between thankfully.

mkaito.6981:

swiftpaw.6397:

deSade.9437:

mkaito.6981:

trolling the LFG tool

What?

trolling the lfg tool?
Oh I know what he means, like when those bowbears and AH guard leeches join speedclear parties and waste everyone’s time.

Or when you set expectations such as 8k+ AP and ascended/zerker for even the easiest dungeons. Sure, it’s your party and you’re entitled to set whatever expectations you want to set. For all I care, you can ask for only people who drive Mercedes newer than 2008, and kick anyone who drives BMW. That doesn’t make it any less ridiculous, though.

When I join a party and get asked to ping my gear, I assume they are just looking for an excuse to boot me, and if it’s not my gear, it will be my build, or my character model. I just leave immediately, so they can continue to search for their ideal player.

The stupidity of this post is astounding. People ask for DPS gear because they want a clean and efficient run. They don’t want people running trash builds to slow down their run. Your outrage at people asking for DPS gear in easy dungeons is also rather counter-intuitive, since it would be more logical that people would run more tanky gear/builds in harder encounters and run more risky but powerful builds in easy encounters.

Whenever I see PUGs react to my ping requests with “but its just DUNGEONNAME”, I am always mystified as to what makes them think that running an easy dungeon gives one the right to be a useless burden on their team.

guanlongwucaii.3162:

Whenever I see PUGs react to my ping requests with “but its just DUNGEONNAME”, I am always mystified as to what makes them think that running an easy dungeon gives one the right to be a useless burden on their team.

Very simple. They actually think they’re helping and nothing will convince them of the contrary. They completed the dungeon, right? Then everything is fineeeeee!

inb4 a swarm of players who consider completing CoF p1 in under 20-25 mins as an achievement.

guanlongwucaii.3162:

mkaito.6981:

swiftpaw.6397:

deSade.9437:

mkaito.6981:

trolling the LFG tool

What?

trolling the lfg tool?
Oh I know what he means, like when those bowbears and AH guard leeches join speedclear parties and waste everyone’s time.

Or when you set expectations such as 8k+ AP and ascended/zerker for even the easiest dungeons. Sure, it’s your party and you’re entitled to set whatever expectations you want to set. For all I care, you can ask for only people who drive Mercedes newer than 2008, and kick anyone who drives BMW. That doesn’t make it any less ridiculous, though.

When I join a party and get asked to ping my gear, I assume they are just looking for an excuse to boot me, and if it’s not my gear, it will be my build, or my character model. I just leave immediately, so they can continue to search for their ideal player.

The stupidity of this post is astounding. People ask for DPS gear because they want a clean and efficient run. They don’t want people running trash builds to slow down their run. Your outrage at people asking for DPS gear in easy dungeons is also rather counter-intuitive, since it would be more logical that people would run more tanky gear/builds in harder encounters and run more risky but powerful builds in easy encounters.

Whenever I see PUGs react to my ping requests with “but its just DUNGEONNAME”, I am always mystified as to what makes them think that running an easy dungeon gives one the right to be a useless burden on their team.

I’m sorry to have robbed you of a few precious braincells with my astounding lack of intelligence. I would give them back, but mine are inferior, so you’ll have to live with it, I’m afraid.

I’m not going to pretend I never die or know every encounter, or that I’m never tired and never screw up, but I do my homework, run a good build with good gear, and do my best to progress the instances I join in the best way possible. I just don’t want to put up with your bullkitten when your precious “smooth run” is delayed by 5 seconds because someone stepped on a bug. Stuck up elitists who would rather spend half an hour inspecting gear and kicking people for a perfect group than spend 2 more minutes in a dungeon because someone is missing a piece in his berserker set are in no way better than the staff guardian everyone loves to bash on.

And I don’t “react” to people asking me to ping my gear. I just wish them a merry day and go back to looking for groups.

There is actually something more about using berserker gear. Most dungeon paths can be completed with way less than 5 people(except CoE lasers and the like) but it’s slower and more important than this, people who can survive in full dps gear are obviously better than people running magi or apothecary or whatever crap some run.

No. There is a substantial difference between a group where everyone is running proper DPS gear and a group where there are people running crap gear. It is not a difference of “just 5s”. It is very noticeable when people are running tank gear, especially in dungeons like AC where bosses take <10s in good parties.

If you dislike gear-ping “speedrun” PUGs then feel free not to join them. But don’t come on the forums and whine about them. These people also have the right to form their own parties. You sound like you’re resentful after getting kicked by a gear-ping PUG.

It’s as if I joined a group that insisted on killing everything yet asked them to skip certain mobs, got kicked and came on here to complain about how these “stuck non-skipping elitists would rather take an hour to finish a dungeon rather than skip some trash mobs”. Not the best analogy, but I’ve made my point.

guanlongwucaii.3162:

You sound like you’re resentful after getting kicked by a gear-ping PUG.

I have yet to be kicked because of gear ping. For one, I do run full zerker in PUGs. And for another, I leave because I don’t like the atmosphere gear-pingers bring to a group. And I don’t whine, I just leave. I’m not whining here either. I’m just curious about the mindset behind these groups, but all I’ve gotten so far is circlejerking.

Without combat parsing, all we can do is best-case math and subjective feeling-based analysis. Is that really enough to simply discard 90% of builds and gear?

robertul.3679:

There is actually something more about using berserker gear. Most dungeon paths can be completed with way less than 5 people(except CoE lasers and the like) but it’s slower

I have no idea where you are going with this. Berserker’s gear is good because dungeons can be completed with less than five people? How does one thing lead to another?

robertul.3679:

people who can survive in full dps gear are obviously better than people running magi or apothecary or whatever crap some run.

I thought the fact that gear does jack kitten about your survival, aside from agony resistance, was well known and generally accepted to be true.

I can see why knight’s and soldier’s would be frowned upon, but why would you reject, for example, rabid or assassin’s gear?

swiftpaw.6397:

This is how I do it. My advertisement is usually along the lines of:

Zerk Gear + melee only- Scholar preferred -Gear checking- Touring multi dungeons.

…

Sometimes I wish I was on NA just to see this happen. Swiftpaw in action at party-making must be epic

Fror.2163:

swiftpaw.6397:

This is how I do it. My advertisement is usually along the lines of:

Zerk Gear + melee only- Scholar preferred -Gear checking- Touring multi dungeons.

…

Sometimes I wish I was on NA just to see this happen. Swiftpaw in action at party-making must be epic

Card used to make the best one. R.I.P. CoF P1

mkaito.6981:

robertul.3679:

There is actually something more about using berserker gear. Most dungeon paths can be completed with way less than 5 people(except CoE lasers and the like) but it’s slower

I have no idea where you are going with this. Berserker’s gear is good because dungeons can be completed with less than five people? How does one thing lead to another?

robertul.3679:

people who can survive in full dps gear are obviously better than people running magi or apothecary or whatever crap some run.

I thought the fact that gear does jack kitten about your survival, aside from agony resistance, was well known and generally accepted to be true.

I can see why knight’s and soldier’s would be frowned upon, but why would you reject, for example, rabid or assassin’s gear?

Most people consider “zerk” or DPS gear to include both berserker and assassin gear. Rabid gear is inferior because it’s a condition spec gear. Condition specs are inferior in most dungeon scenarios because bossfights tend to end very quickly (condi specs do more DoT than burst) and because conditions are very easy to overwrite in party scenarios. There is also the fact that more than one condition spec is a complete deadweight in a party and that condition specs don’t really speed up normal dungeon runs

Fror.2163:

swiftpaw.6397:

This is how I do it. My advertisement is usually along the lines of:

Zerk Gear + melee only- Scholar preferred -Gear checking- Touring multi dungeons.

…

Sometimes I wish I was on NA just to see this happen. Swiftpaw in action at party-making must be epic

I take no prisoners.

mkaito.6981:

swiftpaw.6397:

deSade.9437:

mkaito.6981:

trolling the LFG tool

What?

trolling the lfg tool?
Oh I know what he means, like when those bowbears and AH guard leeches join speedclear parties and waste everyone’s time.

Or when you set expectations such as 8k+ AP and ascended/zerker for even the easiest dungeons. Sure, it’s your party and you’re entitled to set whatever expectations you want to set. For all I care, you can ask for only people who drive Mercedes newer than 2008, and kick anyone who drives BMW. That doesn’t make it any less ridiculous, though.

When I join a party and get asked to ping my gear, I assume they are just looking for an excuse to boot me, and if it’s not my gear, it will be my build, or my character model. I just leave immediately, so they can continue to search for their ideal player.

That’s some next level paranoia right there. When you’re asked to ping your gear, every thought runs through your head except the obvious one.

Just so you know, they are just looking for fast, easy runs, none of your above nonsense. Sure, there are some jerks out there, but most are just regular people wanting fun, easy dungeons.