Guild Wars 2

Hello,

paying 5g for a spot at maw at level 10+ fractals, once a day. 12g for Level 10 + Level 20 (when my mes reached that reward level).
Thanks.

Man, too bad you’re on EU server… I’d run the kitten out of you.

Why? <—————————————————————

Because after doing a fractal run i always feel like quitting the game.

Dub.1273:

Because after doing a fractal run i always feel like quitting the game.

Try pugging a daily 10 or 26, something that should take 30 minutes turns into 2 hours. Anet completely ruined fractals with their update allowing anyone to join any level.

I did level 28 last night and we got Grawl as the third and I was so excited it was a nice quick one and I look down in the chat and see “aww noo!” “Are you a good healer guard?”

How much would you pay for a slot at the end of a 48 run?
I’m wondering if those are worth selling mhm.

Haha, I sometimes just wait for that “LF1M at 3rd fractal”

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Dub.1273:

Because after doing a fractal run i always feel like quitting the game.

Try pugging a daily 10 or 26, something that should take 30 minutes turns into 2 hours. Anet completely ruined fractals with their update allowing anyone to join any level.

I did level 28 last night and we got Grawl as the third and I was so excited it was a nice quick one and I look down in the chat and see “aww noo!” “Are you a good healer guard?”

Daily 10 yes, but @26, people knows the fight. Maybe I’m just lucky.

Afya.5842:

Haha, I sometimes just wait for that “LF1M at 3rd fractal”

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Dub.1273:

Because after doing a fractal run i always feel like quitting the game.

Try pugging a daily 10 or 26, something that should take 30 minutes turns into 2 hours. Anet completely ruined fractals with their update allowing anyone to join any level.

I did level 28 last night and we got Grawl as the third and I was so excited it was a nice quick one and I look down in the chat and see “aww noo!” “Are you a good healer guard?”

Daily 10 yes, but @26, people knows the fight. Maybe I’m just lucky.

There is a difference between your average person “knowing the fights” and your above average person knowing the fights. Someone you might look at as good others might sill consider garbage.

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Afya.5842:

Haha, I sometimes just wait for that “LF1M at 3rd fractal”

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Dub.1273:

Because after doing a fractal run i always feel like quitting the game.

Try pugging a daily 10 or 26, something that should take 30 minutes turns into 2 hours. Anet completely ruined fractals with their update allowing anyone to join any level.

I did level 28 last night and we got Grawl as the third and I was so excited it was a nice quick one and I look down in the chat and see “aww noo!” “Are you a good healer guard?”

Daily 10 yes, but @26, people knows the fight. Maybe I’m just lucky.

There is a difference between your average person “knowing the fights” and your above average person knowing the fights. Someone you might look at as good others might sill consider garbage.

True but then those above average person simply shouldn’t expect pug to act like organised group in the first place. I’ve yet to be in a 2hrs 26fotm and I pug almost everyday. From my experience, 1hr run is about average for pug group.

Nikaido.3457:

Afya.5842:

Daily 10 yes, but @26, people knows the fight. Maybe I’m just lucky.

Even at 48 I stumbled upon people who have no idea how to dodge the agony from the Mining Suit or people who take every single arrow from the grawl. I used to be lucky because almost all of my first 48 pug runs were really above average but the last few times I’ve pugged fotm before making the decision of not running fotm much anymore I’ve constantly seen terrible pugs after terrible pugs. Now I only run FOTM with guildies/friendlist and only if I have no other choice (as in, if all the people around me are busy doing something/want to run fotm then sure I’d rather do fotm than pug another dungeon). I won’t run FOTM if I can help it though. Sick of the bad reward. I won’t run it with a partial guild/partial pug group either now. Not worth it.

Well that sucks.
But at least you didn’t bring the same expectation from guildies run into pug. I just hope my luck will continue.

Nikaido.3457:

Afya.5842:

Daily 10 yes, but @26, people knows the fight. Maybe I’m just lucky.

Even at 48 I stumbled upon people who have no idea how to dodge the agony from the Mining Suit or people who take every single arrow from the grawl. I used to be lucky because almost all of my first 48 pug runs were really above average but the last few times I’ve pugged fotm before making the decision of not running fotm much anymore I’ve constantly seen terrible pugs after terrible pugs. Now I only run FOTM with guildies/friendlist and only if I have no other choice (as in, if all the people around me are busy doing something/want to run fotm then sure I’d rather do fotm than pug another dungeon). I won’t run FOTM if I can help it though. Sick of the bad reward. I won’t run it with a partial guild/partial pug group either now. Not worth it.

same deal for me, then every so often I get a whisper ‘fotm 48?’

and I say ‘no, pls dont make me go back there, you cant make me go back there, I’m getting facial spasms… my eye twitches…’
And then they say ‘Geared team, all friends of mine, quick run, promise!’
and then my OCD kicks in.. And I have to do it, I have to jump in that fotm 48 with the ‘friend’ and the super amazing geared team he has presented before me like an offering.

5 minutes in… Mesmer is in full clerics gear for god know what reason..
10 minutes in.. Other guardian hasn’t touched his virtues once and is running two ranged sets.
20 mins in… someone is using hounds of Balthazar..
30 mins in.. Warrior is boasting about how he has almost 30k health.
40 mins in… I’m kiting grawl shaman around while the idiots try to res someone who’s died on one of the lava pools and isn’t regenning. Other guardian isn’t using reflects or shouts… I see a sword of justice bouncing around somewhere and he’s got his tome of wrath out, there’s no feedback either.
50 mins in.. mesmer finally remembers he has timewarp on his bar.. uses it when its not needed.
60 mins in.. it’s dredge fractal.. they bust out their magic find sets and start pinging their drops like they’re smart motherkitteners. Slowly the team inches its way to the end, after dieing repeatedly.

Run ends after 2 hours or so.. I have lost my sanity and have carpel tunnel from pushing my guardian to the limit to keep kittens alive. Tell myself never again. Next day someone asks me again. I cry.

I’ll pay for each pristine fractal relic i get, no matter if level 10 or 48. Level 48 currently fives me Level 12 reward, therefore i’d just pay same there until i reached 40’s (which is probably never going to happen).

swiftpaw.6397:

60 mins in.. it’s dredge fractal.. they bust out their magic find sets and start pinging their drops like they’re smart motherkitteners

My favourite.

Whenever I get dredge/ascalon/cliffside I try not to pay attention to the party UI or gears on teammate, because seeing the luck sigil/mf food, or how those guys switch from t3 cultural to crafted armors/glowing swords to dull blades makes me want to do nothing than autoattack.

So, noone here doing fractals on a daily basis and willing to sell his spot?

Dub.1273:

So, noone here doing fractals on a daily basis and willing to sell his spot?

I’m running t3 (lvl 30) and t4 (lvl 40) many times everyday… you can have it.. I’ll send you a message if you are not in arah

Jesus christ on a cracker… I’m never PUGing Fractals again…

I made a team with 1 guildie and 3 PUGs… They wanted to start at Ascalon. We didn’t get the chance to open, someone else did…

We do ascalon okay-ish, but one of the pugs is a condescending prick trying to pretend he knows everything and is bossing us around…

Then we get dredge.. He didn’t want us to kite on side (o_O) but after 1 fail we pulled it off. Then he kept condescending to us at bomb event cause I wanted to kill at the back, but he wanted to stealth. Although, the stealth kitten went relatively smooth..

Then we get to the general, jesus… They wanted to stand on some kind of beams and melee him there. I told them it was a freaking weak tactic. And when we got up there, the Strazars kept focussing me down, so I went down and started fighting with my guildie. So we wiped, because everyone kept getting focused down. So I said that after the wipe, we weren’t going to act like a bunch of girls and actually fight him legit because it is a million times faster… He tried to kick my guildie, we kicked him and destroyed the instance..

I regret nothing.

Nik, I don’t understand how you could PUG fractals… Like what the hell… Never again…

I want to formally apologize for acting like a kitten to people that PUG fractals… I had no idea how bad your lives are. I feel sorry for you guys… So, so sorry…

I must be lucky then, from my experience, bad pugs rarely come my way. And ive gotten over 40 pristine fractals from running lvl 10+ and 20+ daily. Funny thing though my Fractal run yesterday(Lvl 28), I got a group of friends (I can tell, they kept on calling each other by first name) and we got Aquatic Fractal. Everything went well till the final boss, I noticed everyone just kept swimming around and avoiding the cages. I informed them that you need to lure the Jellyfish to one of the active cages, they said “Oh really? We always just kited him to death” >.<

swiftpaw.6397:

same deal for me, then every so often I get a whisper ‘fotm 48?’

and I say ‘no, pls dont make me go back there, you cant make me go back there, I’m getting facial spasms… my eye twitches…’
And then they say ‘Geared team, all friends of mine, quick run, promise!’
and then my OCD kicks in.. And I have to do it, I have to jump in that fotm 48 with the ‘friend’ and the super amazing geared team he has presented before me like an offering.

5 minutes in… Mesmer is in full clerics gear for god know what reason..
10 minutes in.. Other guardian hasn’t touched his virtues once and is running two ranged sets.
20 mins in… someone is using hounds of Balthazar..
30 mins in.. Warrior is boasting about how he has almost 30k health.
40 mins in… I’m kiting grawl shaman around while the idiots try to res someone who’s died on one of the lava pools and isn’t regenning. Other guardian isn’t using reflects or shouts… I see a sword of justice bouncing around somewhere and he’s got his tome of wrath out, there’s no feedback either.
50 mins in.. mesmer finally remembers he has timewarp on his bar.. uses it when its not needed.
60 mins in.. it’s dredge fractal.. they bust out their magic find sets and start pinging their drops like they’re smart motherkitteners. Slowly the team inches its way to the end, after dieing repeatedly.

Run ends after 2 hours or so.. I have lost my sanity and have carpel tunnel from pushing my guardian to the limit to keep kittens alive. Tell myself never again. Next day someone asks me again. I cry.

I feel you. And the worst thing is everyone is relying on the guards, honestly I dont understand those groups with 2 guards mandatory, one of my smoothest runs lately was 1 warr / 2 rangers / 1 nec / 1guard (after plenty guards left when they saw our composition lol). I just want to cry when I see people getting hit by every second arrow by shaman on 48. Actually this game is all about dodging and every class can do that.

Almdudler.8621:

I feel you. And the worst thing is everyone is relying on the guards, honestly I dont understand those groups with 2 guards mandatory, one of my smoothest runs lately was 1 warr / 2 rangers / 1 nec / 1guard (after plenty guards left when they saw our composition lol). I just want to cry when I see people getting hit by every second arrow by shaman on 48. Actually this game is all about dodging and every class can do that.

I find it easier when it’s just me guarding too, it means I don’t have to rely on some idiot who cant play his class and is a dead weight. When it’s a bad guardian it feels like a 4 man team, so I’d prefer just me + 4 high deeps. By the time i’ve run through all my cool downs the kitten is dead and we are moving on, vs hoping the guy uses his after mine in a fight that takes longer due to his lesser damage. This is pretty much the case in all dungeons outide of fotm, and in most of them guard not even needed at all with a decent team, so when there’re more than one I get irksome.

I honestly don’t get it how you can run Arah like 10 times a day with bosses who can barely touch you. And then one fractal run is end of the world.

I have no problems with most other dungeons, even SE is okay regarding gameplay (just those NONONO screams kitten my head) but fractals are just boring. Boss fights simply take too long and are no fun. Dredge takes too long. Spamp is boring as hell, even akitten ranging belka is more fun. Ice takes too long. Cliffside takes too long, archdiviner is probably the boss i’d fight last in this game duo to his invulnerability phases.
And another thing is that pugs are terribad, i found myself solo/duo’ing the last fractal runs i’ve done.

So: Weth, my glamorous idol, can you please sell me some spots at maw?

Nikaido.3457:

dps guardian still has better dps than a lot of classes in this game, mesmer included.

It always depends, but in general I would definitly not say that .

Nikaido.3457:

“This game is all about dodging” you can’t constantly avoid the immobilize in arah p3 from the hunter while meleeing crusher and also avoiding his attacks. You put up a wall of reflection and suddenly you negate any potential immobilize. The war don’t need condition removal, stun breakers or anything even remotely defensive because the guards helps some and also gives regeneration. (And yes, I know frenzy is a stun breaker but we use it for dps we don’t keep it out of cooldown just for the sake of breaking stun.)

ofc there are always examples, but cmon in fact if you cant dodge, you wont make a great career.

I see you use the words “we” “ours” so I guess youre playing with a premade group/guild? Well I dont do that alot and in pugs you never know if the warriors already have removals, and stuff. Neither I know when I play warrior, how good is this guard? Will he remove my conditions? So obviously I cant go 100% pure zerk dps.

Its just my experience that Ive done often alot better with one guard than with two, I think its because there are alot guards who just go full-tank and spam staff and dont know how to support their team correctly while dealing some damage themselves, which is in fact -as you said too- not needed twice in a group. If it comes to pro-premade groups, its of course a different view.

Why would you want to pay for Fractal runs just for pristine relics? Get your rings with laurels and save yourself even having to think about it.

Not doing daily because of: boring things like gatherer.

Nikaido.3457:

You can’t really talk unless you’ve tried and seen for yourself these classes in full zerk build. Guardian has far better dps than mesmer overall in dungeons when built as full zerker with damage traits.

Ok maybe youre right, I never tried full zerk on guardian because it will become very useless as soon the group needs some support and I am the only guard (as I said I mostly pug). Do you have any numbers how high a zerk guard hits average? Just out of curiosity.

About 2-3 times as hard as a knights guardian with AH. My whirling wrath tends to go over 15k on fights like lupicus. Also with berserker equip you will deliver the exactly same amount of support, if not more due to increased damage.

I run with Nik often, so I can talk out of exp…

I usually run Sword/Fc and Hammer. My hammer #2 can hit over 10k, sword #1 usually hits for 2-2-4k, but it goes higher than that as well. #3 can hit up to 7-8k quite easily. Hammer autoattack hits 4k-4k-6k usually, but it’s slower and I’ve seen up to 6-6-8k on auto.

I don’t run GS often on my guard unless I need to pull stuff together.

Nikaido.3457:

swiftpaw.6397:

Almdudler.8621:

I feel you. And the worst thing is everyone is relying on the guards, honestly I dont understand those groups with 2 guards mandatory, one of my smoothest runs lately was 1 warr / 2 rangers / 1 nec / 1guard (after plenty guards left when they saw our composition lol). I just want to cry when I see people getting hit by every second arrow by shaman on 48. Actually this game is all about dodging and every class can do that.

I find it easier when it’s just me guarding too, it means I don’t have to rely on some idiot who cant play his class and is a dead weight. When it’s a bad guardian it feels like a 4 man team, so I’d prefer just me + 4 high deeps. By the time i’ve run through all my cool downs the kitten is dead and we are moving on, vs hoping the guy uses his after mine in a fight that takes longer due to his lesser damage. This is pretty much the case in all dungeons outide of fotm, and in most of them guard not even needed at all with a decent team, so when there’re more than one I get irksome.

Having a second guardian makes meleeing things like mossman perfectly safe and a dps guardian still has better dps than a lot of classes in this game, mesmer included. My most common group set up these days when I can get it that way is 2/guard/3war, with one of the guard in full zerk.
Outside of fotm we run full DPS guard, only one in the group, but in full dps and it does fine and probably far better than any class you’d bring apart from warrior. It allows stuff like doing 100 blades against the destroyer in CoE path 3 without having to move out of the AoE and interrupt the attack (aegis). Group stability so that none the war take stun breakers.

If you don’t take a guardian, warriors will have to waste a utility slot for something like shake it off or balanced stance. Our warriors run banner/frenzy/FGJ and for the third warrior OMM/frenzy/FGJ, no defensive utility. And the warrior trait empowered benefits from the boons given by the guard, whenever it’s safe to just spam them instead of keeping them for a specific use I do during the fight to bring the war dps to the maximum.

“This game is all about dodging” you can’t constantly avoid the immobilize in arah p3 from the hunter while meleeing crusher and also avoiding his attacks. You put up a wall of reflection and suddenly you negate any potential immobilize. The war don’t need condition removal, stun breakers or anything even remotely defensive because the guards helps some and also gives regeneration. (And yes, I know frenzy is a stun breaker but we use it for dps we don’t keep it out of cooldown just for the sake of breaking stun.)

If you run without a guard your warriors will not maximize their dps. They’ll also be more affected by chipping/unavoidable damage and it’ll bring the strength of Scholar Runes down. Aegis/regen/perma prot are good for that.

Guardian or mes is good for CoE yea, clearly you need mes for some parts but people can swap. not a big difference in time but for destroyer i perfer a mes. if your mesmer is good enough he should be rupting the first two dragon teeth cast, making dodging irrelvant because destroyer wont drop the first two. by the third he should be dead if its a 1 shot. if your mesmer misses surely a warrior can mace #5 since they should be running a/m- with GS anyway. I found 1 shots and entire dungeon smooth with guard or mesmer. i can see both ways although im mostly used to mes since he can rupt the wolves leap in begginging, has feedback for first pull etc, robot, TW is nice, portal for p2’s skip trash to the plant boss part etc.

Dub.1273:

Because after doing a fractal run i always feel like quitting the game.

DING DING DING, we have a winner! Now we know exactly what’s wrong with gw2 pve!

Well Ive got plenty time and could use money Ill see if I can get you some nice relics in the nearby future.

Of course Nikaido, it def makes my life easier with a second guardian that knows what to do, but when they don’t, when they are complete idiots that don’t even know what a bloody aegis is, I’d rather not have them at all. Biggest problem for me atm is I’m comming across more and more of these clueless guardians who don’t cooperate and if you suggest to them (politely) to use their virtues or use SOA/WOR in time, they either get kitten ed off at me or they ignore me -.- and at 48.. it’s frustrating as hell.

Oh and just the other day I had a coe run, u know, the 3 war, 1 mes, 1 guard type. I went on my war. The guardian that came was running scepter shield and never swapped sets, he didn’t touch his virtues, and he provided no condi removal, no aegises. In his case, I would have preferred another warrior.

Don’t get me wrong, I love when I get a good guardian in the group, I just hate with a passion when I get a really bad one, and I’m tired of people thinking just because they have any old guardian, it’s gonna be an easy run, when in fact alot of these guards are awful -.-

Nikaido.3457:

swiftpaw.6397:

Oh and just the other day I had a coe run, u know, the 3 war, 1 mes, 1 guard type. I went on my war. The guardian that came was running scepter shield and never swapped sets, he didn’t touch his virtues, and he provided no condi removal, no aegises. In his case, I would have preferred another warrior.

This doesn’t really make any sense outside of CoF because I’ve seen warriors that would make your skin crawl just about as much as that scepter guardian when it comes to pugging dungeons like CoE. That’s why I almost never pug something like that now and will almost only do guild runs.

Look at this screenshot :
http://i.imgur.com/MtbsNZi.jpg

This was my last pugged CoE (names censored). I don’t think I need to put it in words for you to understand exactly what went wrong. I had never seen a group with such a low level of dps. I was cursing myself for choosing to pug on my mesmer, because even with the right build and in full berserker I could barely make a worthwhile contribution compared to my zerk warrior or zerk guardian. It took forever to kill the destroyer in path 3, and not because anyone missed a jump but because the dps was that bad, despite the group having 3 warriors, but all three warriors were of the worst kind.
Needless to say, after the first trash fight I didn’t even bother switching feedback to nullfield. This group had so much “support” that you could kill mob from boredom.

The most obvious one is the guy with sword axe. Did he use Axe 5 ? Yes, yes he did. And he was condition built.

Do I prefer another warrior ? I prefer not pugging altogether. I want at least one person I know in the group, that gives me the assurance that I can, and will, kick anyone who doesn’t even remotely perform decently. I didn’t say perfectly, but decently.

Warriors with guardian envy syndrome are much worse than guardians.

yeh Ive seen bad warriors too… thing is, when pugging, warriors have one job, dps, and most pugs can achieve that to an acceptable degree. Which I think is why COF P1 farm is so popular, it’s easy and brainless. With guardian.. for some.. reason.. so many of them are just not playing the class correctly, and in that case I’d prefer they just got on their warrior and do the mindless dps role. I prefer not pugging, but when I do, I’d rather just take my guard than let someone else do it. Like I said, you are correct, a good guardian is more important than a good mesmer or good warrior, however, I feel that a bad guardian is not worth taking at all.

And good god.. That screenshot is ghastly.

GMT+1
If you prepare a party yourself i can give you my spot for free on the weekend at a reasonable time when we get to maw ._.

I PUG SE, TA and COE occasionally and I’d be a rich man if anyone ever took my bets on whether or not guardians we pick up do any party condition removal or utility at all. I think a majority of players can play an acceptable warrior. It’s a minority that understands how to play a decent guardian. I pretty much won’t play my warrior or mesmer at all unless there’s a proven guardian in the party, cause typically they’re just random-kitten builds with no focus on group utility whatsoever.

So much thread derail.

haviz.1340:

So much thread derail.

shhhh, dont tell them now, this way I can keep all the money.

After getting to fotm 50 on my main, I would like to get an alt there as well. I offered people to pay for it like you, but I suppose my offer was too low since no one bit. In any event, I am on a US server and if anyone wants to make 10g per day invite me to your fotm 48 daily on Maw.

What level is your alt?

4 manning <40’s okay, 4manning 48, I’d rather not.

Especially since I got to level my warrior through 20’s anyway.

My alt is 33 or 34. I’m not asking you to 4 man. Run it with 5 people, one person drops party, invites me and then whoever drops can get paid. If you drop you get the gold or you can work out a split with whoever drops. I don’t care about the details haha.

I’ll ask around to see if I can find people that are willing to do it. I’ll contact you in game in case I can get it set up.

I take it you’re a US player though, so our play times might not overlap.

you can t play with us players if you are eu if i remember correctly…
or does guesting works?

Even there latence is gonna be horrible.

I’m on a US server because most of my GW1 friends were US players and I rarely play during the day anyway, so me playing at night doesn’t really stop me from playing with my US buddies. But if Nike mainly plays night time as well, there is no way I can see him online.

And, latency is fine. By now I’m quite used to playing at 6-15 FPS, although the low FPS is mainly due to my laptop being a heap of kitten.

And that’s why I play fotm10-12 mostly I’m too young to commit suicide over strangers in a videogame.

marnick.4305:

And that’s why I play fotm10-12 mostly I’m too young to commit suicide over strangers in a videogame.

With a regular team, I had a much, much easier time on a 48 than PUGing a 10 from the LFG website. Our team composition was ranger, ranger, guardian, thief, and warrior. Don’t tell me rangers can’t FOTM. We basically had permanent uptime of reflection between the rangers Whirling Defense and guardian Wall of Reflection and just kicked the crap out of dungeon bosses. Our warrior had 20 AR but it was cool helping him on agony because he held his own. We finished in just over one hour.