Guild Wars 2

After the might nerf, would the team wide dps loss from might be bigger than if a warrior did meta build? Considering making a phalanx warrior but not sure if it would be wasted come next patch.

Any input is always appreciated!

I just built one myself actually. I don’t think it would be wasted seeing that they are only taking might back from 35 to 30.

Reason I ask is that before, there was around 3k dps difference, between meta and phalanx, which was offset due to the increase in power for the rest of the team. Since now everyone is losing 125 power, is it a breakeven point?

You will still want 25 might from phalanx or other source

PS war is really really essential in fractals. Sometimes the ele just has to go staff and the loss of might buff for the whole party is detrimental to the group dps.

Gyler.8150:

Reason I ask is that before, there was around 3k dps difference, between meta and phalanx, which was offset due to the increase in power for the rest of the team. Since now everyone is losing 125 power, is it a breakeven point?

Very simplified crappy math. But, if 750 power (the new max stacks) is 25-30% gain in power, that’s potentially like a 6th member by giving it to your 4 teammates right? 3k off of a max DPS warrior of about 12k iirc is only 25%. Giving up the equivalent of a 6th member so you can gain 25% of a member doesn’t seem like it would even out.

I think the normal stance would still hold, PS war is great when your group isn’t maintaining decent might stacks, with my very very kittenty math it would reason to say if you aren’t maintaining at least the majority of the stacks you’d be better off giving might to the group right?

Of course it’d be nice if someone with all the math available chimed in but yeah I can’t see it being a net loss if you’re in a situation where PS made sense before.

Jerus.4350:

Gyler.8150:

Reason I ask is that before, there was around 3k dps difference, between meta and phalanx, which was offset due to the increase in power for the rest of the team. Since now everyone is losing 125 power, is it a breakeven point?

Very simplified crappy math. But, if 750 power (the new max stacks) is 25-30% gain in power, that’s potentially like a 6th member by giving it to your 4 teammates right? 3k off of a max DPS warrior of about 12k iirc is only 25%. Giving up the equivalent of a 6th member so you can gain 25% of a member doesn’t seem like it would even out.

I think the normal stance would still hold, PS war is great when your group isn’t maintaining decent might stacks, with my very very kittenty math it would reason to say if you aren’t maintaining at least the majority of the stacks you’d be better off giving might to the group right?

Of course it’d be nice if someone with all the math available chimed in but yeah I can’t see it being a net loss if you’re in a situation where PS made sense before.

And if you take Empower Allies into consideration, you’re at 900 Power for your entire team. I didn’t do the math, but I’d say if anything, PS is now balanced :P

You boost by about 30% the dps of your teamate with a PS Warrior if nobody is giving might. Overall, that’s a 20% dps boost to the party. Since everyparty do some might anyway, its will still probably be around 10-15% boost in reality. Still worth taking if you group can’t maintain 20 stacks of might or more.

What do you mean “make a phalanx warrior”? You can change your build at any time so there is no need to create an entirely new character that specifically runs this build.

Tree.3916:

What do you mean “make a phalanx warrior”? You can change your build at any time so there is no need to create an entirely new character that specifically runs this build.

Both build use different runes. No everybody want or have the gold for 2 set of armor with different runes.

^ Makes sense.

@OP – Where would you be using this? PvE? WvW?

what? you would have to get 2 armors sets no matter what.

Not unless they wanted to only run PS War exclusively :P

PvE of course, was thinking since i mostly do pug, it might be better to just run strength fulltime instead since i may not be keeping scholar up 100% of the time, and strength is better for solo’s.

Thanks!

Iris Ng.9845:

PS war is really really essential in fractals. Sometimes the ele just has to go staff and the loss of might buff for the whole party is detrimental to the group dps.

Never, at any point ever, is it essential to take a phalanx warrior. It makes things easier and is sometimes better, yes, but essential? Not in the least bit

Purple Miku.7032:

Iris Ng.9845:

PS war is really really essential in fractals. Sometimes the ele just has to go staff and the loss of might buff for the whole party is detrimental to the group dps.

Never, at any point ever, is it essential to take a phalanx warrior. It makes things easier and is sometimes better, yes, but essential? Not in the least bit

Not in the sense that you have to have a PS war every single time to complete a run. But in a sense that if your group cannot have enough might, may as well be prepared to swap to PS. Should I say that trait is essential or must have?

Iris Ng.9845:

Purple Miku.7032:

Iris Ng.9845:

PS war is really really essential in fractals. Sometimes the ele just has to go staff and the loss of might buff for the whole party is detrimental to the group dps.

Never, at any point ever, is it essential to take a phalanx warrior. It makes things easier and is sometimes better, yes, but essential? Not in the least bit

Not in the sense that you have to have a PS war every single time to complete a run. But in a sense that if your group cannot have enough might, may as well be prepared to swap to PS. Should I say that trait is essential or must have?

Well with a more optimal composition a PS is not needed in a lot of scenarios. e.g 2 eles + an engi in fractals can keep up 25 might between them and if something goes wrong its still pretty high, in dungeons you can prestack and burst a lot of fights making phalanx a waste of dps

I just find it ridiculous to glorify PS warrior to the point of referring to it as a necessity for efficiency. Yes it can be very good and it makes it way easier for groups at times, but camping it 24-7 in FotM makes me cringe.

Some of my best and smoothest runs have been without a PS warrior anyways. It’s perfectly fine to go with or without because there’s plenty of ways to outsource might. No need to get snarky.

Purple Miku.7032:

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No need to get snarky.

You misread and misinterpret my post.

IMO go with strength runes because phalanx warrior is essential. I always start as PS and see if the eng or ele will stack. If they do, great go to dps spec. In my experience however, only 1/3 eles in pugs even attempt to stack and even they are not always competent.

Here’s some more math, I’m going to use you number of a 3k loss in dps but you also have to take into account the dps ele gains from camping fire staff which I read somewhere was 1-1.5k. So that’s a 2k dps loss in exchange for max might, EA and 100% banner uptime.

Obviously when you min max on efficiency, PS looses it’s value but the thing about pugs I’ve noticed is it leads to lazy gameplay. I’m sure I can’t be the only one ever to party with that 15k AP ele that can’t be bothered to might stack cause “it’s just a pug”.

Alternatively, you can just go with scholar and throw in a strength sigil on axe so you are still getting might when you swap to axe/mace for vulnerability. With signet or rage, FGJ you’ll still stack close to max might anyway.

Vert.5041:

In my experience however, only 1/3 eles in pugs even attempt to stack and even they are not always competent.

I’m sure I can’t be the only one ever to party with that 15k AP ele that can’t be bothered to might stack cause “it’s just a pug”.

Bit off topic but I just wanted to point out that might stacking is not liked in pugs.
On countless occasions they don’t let the ele stack might or strongly discourage it through their actions. And I am not talking about newish players but players that should know their way around. So being able to go ps really always is a good option to have.

pyrates.5684:

Vert.5041:

In my experience however, only 1/3 eles in pugs even attempt to stack and even they are not always competent.

I’m sure I can’t be the only one ever to party with that 15k AP ele that can’t be bothered to might stack cause “it’s just a pug”.

Bit off topic but I just wanted to point out that might stacking is not liked in pugs.
On countless occasions they don’t let the ele stack might or strongly discourage it through their actions. And I am not talking about newish players but players that should know their way around. So being able to go ps really always is a good option to have.

Although you are right about might stacking not always being facilitated by the group to some extent, there’s always eles I find that will go out of their way to do it. They will yell out pre stack or just start stacking at boss which admittedly is less efficient on things like spider queen but they make the effort at least and I think that just comes with part of taking pride in your role in the team.

The reason I think pugs are often so bad is because of the pug mentality where even vets are sometimes looking to be carried which I hate. But since it is a part of the game you have to deal with it and having 2 guards using empower or a PS warrior make these lazy cu_ _ s more palatable.