Power builds?
Power builds are already “viable” — they just aren’t as efficient as condi builds right now.
In fractals, it shouldn’t matter — if you’re getting kicked, it’s easy enough to start your own group or join another who realizes that knowing the mechanics is far more important.
In raids, it’s trickier — there’s good reason for PUG commanders to prefer condi builds for many encounters. Still, if you’re keen on power, start your own group or see if you can find a static, where it won’t matter as much.
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I know, but I don’t think it’s a good idea to start my own group for Raids, since I never did one because people don’t want power builds…
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power builds already meta at several bosses, and fully competitive at others. If you want to play the dps role in a serious way you should have good builds for each boss. I.E. you should have a condi class and a power class.
VG: power builds are good bc vg’s toughness is very low. Condi viable too though.
Sloth: power builds are good bc sloth clenses conditions every break bar. condi viable too.
KC: power builds win easy. Condi can probably work, but they are extremely disadvantaged.
Xera: power builds common, many people still play fresh air staff there.
edit: also obviously power is better/competitive at trio and escort too.
Hmm, didn’t know that. I think i’ll go back and main my Ele again, since it has kitten dps as power. Thanks =]
Why should power builds ever be viable when you can go power and condi? Its not condi builds. HoT created this PvE where you always get the best of both worlds. Its the same thing in WvW, when HoT introduced unbalancing and OP gear combos thats bunker and damage.
I miss the old days where we had to think “hmmm… I want to go condi but then I have to choose between toughness or vitality… or be hybrid and weaker at both. Oh the choices!”
Now its just lolololoviperinpvelololololtrailbazerinwvwlololololol.
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Why should power builds ever be viable when you can go power and condi?
Since you missed the memo, nearly all condition builds in the current meta deal less than 10% of their damage as power damage (Engineer being a notable exception due to particularly high coefficients). Viper’s gear has garbage critical hit chance even fully buffed and no ferocity, so its power damage contribution is incredibly low. Viper’s isn’t even optimized for condition damage classes, quite frankly; we’d need a ++Condition Damage, +Precision, +Expertise stat combination for that.
@OP: Power builds are still just fine on a number of bosses, quite frankly. I run my S/W Tempest in a number of bosses due to its strong cleave, high burst, and the low armor on some bosses making it relatively stronger compared to condition damage builds.
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reaper gets 100%+ crit so direct dmg is more significant there as well
I know, but I don’t think it’s a good idea to start my own group for Raids, since I never did one because people don’t want power builds…
Sounds to me you are getting kicked, because you are not experienced at all and probably you try to join experienced groups, which are looking for another experienced people. I doubt the problem is, because you run power build. Whenever I join a group with my power tempest I dont kicked, because I am experienced and I meet and in some cases overextend the grp requirements, my dps is on par with most condi build and many times even outright out dps’ing them.
While its true most people prefer condi nowadays, because generally its easier to play and leaves more space for error and quick recovery, if you know your job (boss mechanics, task, rotation), nobody will kick you for playing power build.
From a speedclear perspective, power is preferred on a bunch of bosses(at least when it comes to tempest). This is based on a faster burst as well as utility, as a fair bunch of condi dps builds lack in cleave and cc department meaning that it’s rarely optimal to have most of your dps as condi.
Condi dps optimal: sabetha, matthias, cairn, mursaat
Power dps is optimal on pretty much everything else assuming speedclear strats and skilled player. As the average player is about as skilled as a potato however, it may be that there is a shift in what’s better(looking at you 0 cc trash dps no updraft ppl) but that really isn’t different to before.
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“looking at you 0 cc trash dps no updraft ppl”
Wow, don’t you think that you are a little bit harsh here? I mean, those guys are still getting bosses down and sometimes there’s only a little piece of dps missing so you delay cc just this little bit.
But speaking of “trash” on ppl that clear raid bosses is exactly the kind of childish behaviour we don’t need in this game.
Took me 3 runs of the dungeon to get the bug.
From a speedclear perspective, power is preferred on a bunch of bosses(at least when it comes to tempest). This is based on a faster burst as well as utility, as a fair bunch of condi dps builds lack in cleave and cc department meaning that it’s rarely optimal to have most of your dps as condi.
Condi dps optimal: sabetha, matthias, cairn, mursaat
Power dps is optimal on pretty much everything else assuming speedclear strats and skilled player. As the average player is about as skilled as a potato however, it may be that there is a shift in what’s better(looking at you 0 cc trash dps no updraft ppl) but that really isn’t different to before.
and yet cPS outperforms on just about every raid boss except for KC.
As far as tempest, yes you are correct because their power and condi build are similar in optimal output. Looking at current quantify benchamrks shows a bigger gap for most other classes dps wise though: http://qtfy.eu/benchmarks/
Thus your analysis of power beating condi is not necessarily accurate, especially on those classes where condi beats power by over 5k or even 10 top dps (basically every classes besides tempest and Dragonhunter).
From a speedclear perspective, power is preferred on a bunch of bosses(at least when it comes to tempest). This is based on a faster burst as well as utility, as a fair bunch of condi dps builds lack in cleave and cc department meaning that it’s rarely optimal to have most of your dps as condi.
Condi dps optimal: sabetha, matthias, cairn, mursaat
Power dps is optimal on pretty much everything else assuming speedclear strats and skilled player. As the average player is about as skilled as a potato however, it may be that there is a shift in what’s better(looking at you 0 cc trash dps no updraft ppl) but that really isn’t different to before.and yet cPS outperforms on just about every raid boss except for KC.
As far as tempest, yes you are correct because their power and condi build are similar in optimal output. Looking at current quantify benchamrks shows a bigger gap for most other classes dps wise though: http://qtfy.eu/benchmarks/
Thus your analysis of power beating condi is not necessarily accurate, especially on those classes where condi beats power by over 5k or even 10 top dps (basically every classes besides tempest and Dragonhunter).
It out performs on KC now as well, assuming you dont need the extra CC.
“looking at you 0 cc trash dps no updraft ppl”
Wow, don’t you think that you are a little bit harsh here? I mean, those guys are still getting bosses down and sometimes there’s only a little piece of dps missing so you delay cc just this little bit.
But speaking of “trash” on ppl that clear raid bosses is exactly the kind of childish behaviour we don’t need in this game.
Delaying a bit is one thing, no cc at all is another. The point is that such groups would benefit far more from condi dps than power. Nothing more, nothing less.
My post was strictly about dps role, not ps warriors(although I’d still think power ps can pull ahead on kc, assuming impact gs and a decent enough player) or druids as those have had a stronger condi build for months.
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reaper gets 100%+ crit so direct dmg is more significant there as well
still that translates to weak dmg output