Guild Wars 2

I usually read in the pvp forums how new players get trashtalked for making a mistake or entering soloque immediately when you’re a beginner, I’m a 100% against this since everyone started some where, also that’s why there is a matchmaking system, so new players don’t get put up with more experienced ones.

However.. It seems like pve is no different. I’ve been playing Gw2 since beta we1. Always enjoyed pvp more then pve since I like the idea of being competitive and beating other players with no gear advantage, purely skill. Now, the past few days I’ve been trying out pve, obviously I tried to find party’s to try out a dungeon.. I’m a level 80 elementalist with full exotic gear and ascended trinkets, just this past hour. every time I asked people to willingly explain me the dungeon they kicked me.

I actually have plently of experience on how to play my character I’m just asking for some information how the dungeon is and what I can expect. All it takes is like 5 minutes of explaining and I’m on my way.

It’s honestly no surprise why new players on gw2 just turn the game down and try something else with a community like this. Maybe I’ve been unlucky, I’ll try out some more parties and see how it goes. If it doesn’t work out, oh well, back to some pvp action I guess.

What if … you youtubed a run through? Or joined a teaching run? Or newbies only?

I don’t mind explaining to people, just don’t be a newbie and join an experienced only run.

Like mahariel said before, watch a youtube video before and dont join groups that are locking for “fast run, experienced, zerk only”, if you dont fulfill those requirements.
There are a many groups in the lfg tool that dont have any requirements, so just join these groups or start your own lfg “all classes welcome, relaxed run, first time” or sth like this.

I don’t mind explaining runs.. So long as the individual runs the correct gear and traits. This can be setup in one sitting.

If you are after a decent guide on how to play your class in dungeons check out DeKeyz Ele guide. http://youtu.be/iAdPo-taEUQ

There are plenty of people willing to help teach runs, including filthy scumbag elitists such as myself however it’s best to avoid joining any old run and instead make your own specifying your situation.

Back when I was pugging new paths, I always joined groups that said " SE p1 " or something— no speed run, no zerker, etc. groups like this were always willing to explain the run to me when I asked. I had literally zero kicks over several months. Your mileage may vary, but the advice everyone else is giving is very helpful as well.

If you have a good attitude and the correct gear/spec, I’m willing to help. Lack of either severely reduces my willingness to spend time on the individual.

i never get kicked, the trick is to never join zerker, rush, experienced or speed runs

Bsgapollo.5364:

I usually read in the pvp forums how new players get trashtalked for making a mistake or entering soloque immediately when you’re a beginner, I’m a 100% against this since everyone started some where, also that’s why there is a matchmaking system, so new players don’t get put up with more experienced ones.

However.. It seems like pve is no different. I’ve been playing Gw2 since beta we1. Always enjoyed pvp more then pve since I like the idea of being competitive and beating other players with no gear advantage, purely skill. Now, the past few days I’ve been trying out pve, obviously I tried to find party’s to try out a dungeon.. I’m a level 80 elementalist with full exotic gear and ascended trinkets, just this past hour. every time I asked people to willingly explain me the dungeon they kicked me.

I actually have plently of experience on how to play my character I’m just asking for some information how the dungeon is and what I can expect. All it takes is like 5 minutes of explaining and I’m on my way.

It’s honestly no surprise why new players on gw2 just turn the game down and try something else with a community like this. Maybe I’ve been unlucky, I’ll try out some more parties and see how it goes. If it doesn’t work out, oh well, back to some pvp action I guess.

Depending on the dungeon, I dont mind explaining things to people who want it. My main area though is fractals and thats where I know my stuff but I would be more than happy helping out with the others if I know it.

Oh as for reqirements.. Im VERY elitlest about them..

• must be atlest the level reqirement
• willing to learn
• no trolling and / or flaming basicly all that bad stuff

Sarah

Yeah the dungeon running community isn’t too generous. One of the root problems is that experienced players can skip something in 30 seconds whilst a new player will wipe a few times and take 5 minutes to get through, which is 10 times as long. The time ratios are not in favor of the beginners at all.

The solutions are well known. Make your own groups. Join a guild and run dungeons with them. Tell people from the start so the group knows what you can do.

Its true. Lot of dungeon groups lack skill, run bad builds and have an elitist attitude. Its specially worse on holidays or times of the day where you have less adults playing.

It will be easier for you to just watch a guide then join a group that doesnt ask for experienced/speed run. I think the only dungeon where people hate new players is arah, not many people are skilled enough to run it even though they claim that they are experienced, and as a new player you will have a lot of difficult with skipping, Lupicus tells and stuff.

As some posters have mentioned earlier, the best solution is to create an LFG of your own and specify your situation there. There is also walkthroughs on YT to watch if you want to “get a feel” for what you’ll be facing/doing in X Dungeon Path.

Personally, I do my best to help any “green apples” when I’ve the time, but if my advice is ignored and there’s a language barrier there isn’t really much I can do to help.

Elrey.5472:

i never get kicked, the trick is to never join zerker, rush, experienced or speed runs

^

For me, when starting a new dungeon I will get together a guild group that’s willing to teach me. Once I know the dungeon, I then start PUGing, but usually advertise that newbies are welcome. (Or at least, I mention at the start that if people are new, just speak up so I can explain what to do.)

sigh yea its starting to seem like a huge surge of elitists are around

thank god i tend to make elitists kitten ed by just how i act =p they get kitten ed at me just for being non serious bout the dungeon run or saying that the thing that according to them “never works” works for me the last few times i’ve done it.

though unfortently nothing we do pvp or pve wise will ever get rid of those elitists that feel their time is more valuble then anything else.

Yeh.. so much for those self entitled types who make their own groups and specify what they want in them =p I join them and tell them to do things my way because their way is rediculous and doesn’t work with my pvt gear. Always in such a rush with their glass gear, always dieing and doing no dps on the floor. I always tell them to just spread out and ranged spiderqueen, stacking never works and gets everyone killed, same with lupicus. Also I don’t want to be forced to exploit. They need to understand that when i’m doing cm im not interested in using cheap mechanics like reflects, I want to take my time and rely on my playstyle and skill.

I always work toward maximum effectiveness in my own playstyle. It doesnt mather if i play a longbow/cat pet ranger because i play so well those guys have to deal with it (also because i never run something that doesnt actualy work). You must run a good build within your own ability. I run rangers in fractals? So what? If you dont want to play with rangers or necro because youve got prejugies you can get out and go look somewhere else because ill always have at least 1 to 2 other guy i trust are skilled and that know i pull my share with me who will be more then happy to pull the kick trigger for a jerk or a guy who mess around and dont want to learn (we are open minded it doesnt mean we tolerate people who just wanna do whataver they want i dont care what build you run long as you run the dungeon right or are willing to admit you dont know it that way we can explain it to you).
See ive done several zerker only run as a ranger already and I never had this kind of ’’problem’’. Call me lame for it but im not imposing anything on you if you want to run with full warrior, you can always take the door out.

Bsgapollo.5364:

I usually read in the pvp forums how new players get trashtalked for making a mistake or entering soloque immediately when you’re a beginner, I’m a 100% against this since everyone started some where, also that’s why there is a matchmaking system, so new players don’t get put up with more experienced ones.

However.. It seems like pve is no different. I’ve been playing Gw2 since beta we1. Always enjoyed pvp more then pve since I like the idea of being competitive and beating other players with no gear advantage, purely skill. Now, the past few days I’ve been trying out pve, obviously I tried to find party’s to try out a dungeon.. I’m a level 80 elementalist with full exotic gear and ascended trinkets, just this past hour. every time I asked people to willingly explain me the dungeon they kicked me.

I actually have plently of experience on how to play my character I’m just asking for some information how the dungeon is and what I can expect. All it takes is like 5 minutes of explaining and I’m on my way.

It’s honestly no surprise why new players on gw2 just turn the game down and try something else with a community like this. Maybe I’ve been unlucky, I’ll try out some more parties and see how it goes. If it doesn’t work out, oh well, back to some pvp action I guess.

Hey! I’m sorry to hear that you’ve been running into these elitist parties. As far as dungeons go don’t be afraid to just go in and give it a shot. There are only a few instances where some areas need explaining. The rest just involves avoiding AoE rings and attacks. A tactic people like to use is stacking against an object or wall to keep mobs together and area heals easier to maintain. So when you see a group together just stack with them. With decent groups you’ll find that most dungeons are actually quite easy which make them a good source of income for most people.
Finally, I will gladly show you the paths if you want a go at them. I do a set of various paths daily so feel free to add me and message my character Clawfire when you see me online!

Many “Zerker Only” groups don’t even know what “Zerker Only” means.
I have seen cleric staff spammers, shout warriors, bearbows and condi necros in “Zerker Only”. When I comment about it after the run,the party leader would be completely bamboozeled, because he thought player X was zerker.

Bunmaster.9734:

Many “Zerker Only” groups don’t even know what “Zerker Only” means.
I have seen cleric staff spammers, shout warriors, bearbows and condi necros in “Zerker Only”. When I comment about it after the run,the party leader would be completely bamboozeled, because he thought player X was zerker.

Gear checks help you find the ones trying to sneak by.

All i have to say is dont judge to quick. Sometimes i feel like a nice guy and wana help and other times i dont. like last night i proved to some pugs that you can melee alphard. i told them before hand so i dont get kicked. i meleed while they all ranged. im not trying to say i caried them because im sure they could of done it eventually. all i did was show them something.

I did a p3 noob run after and there was a DnT player that was explaining everything.

So dont judge to quick. sometimes exp ppl will be willing to help and sometimes not.

Oh? Was you in MY noob run?

Are you in DnT, Iris? O.o

Oh, I’m a noob that got taught by the DnT! It was path 3, last night for sure!

Only Laharl has that godly patience. After playing the game this long.

J Eberle.9312:

Yeh.. so much for those self entitled types who make their own groups and specify what they want in them =p I join them and tell them to do things my way because their way is rediculous and doesn’t work with my pvt gear. Always in such a rush with their glass gear, always dieing and doing no dps on the floor. I always tell them to just spread out and ranged spiderqueen, stacking never works and gets everyone killed, same with lupicus. Also I don’t want to be forced to exploit. They need to understand that when i’m doing cm im not interested in using cheap mechanics like reflects, I want to take my time and rely on my playstyle and skill.

J Eberle.9312:

Also I don’t want to be forced to exploit. They need to understand that when i’m doing cm im not interested in using cheap mechanics like reflects, I want to take my time and rely on my playstyle and skill.

J Eberle.9312:

cheap mechanics like reflects, I want to take my time and rely on my playstyle and skill.

J Eberle.9312:

playstyle and skill.

O_O

Tree.3916:

O_O

I had to.

The opportunity arose and by golly I took it.

I’m glad you did. Was perfect.

I joined someone else group, so i didn’t feel like hijacking it. Plus sometimes it is fun, since it adds spice to the dungeons with elements of unknown quality and quantity.

Yeah, I myself is a new tribulation mode of Arah (-__-")

SkyChef.5432:

Only Laharl has that godly patience. After playing the game this long.

Haha, taking new people is pretty fun for me. Guild runs are awesome and all, but lupi always dies in under a minute and there’s never a danger of dying. With new people I’m at risk of dying and I can’t control lupi. Just makes the fight a little more interesting.

If they’re eager to learn it makes it all worth it.

If you get ignorant ****s who just want you to get your “elitism” or whatever moronic name they give your better skill done with then it’s infuriating.

The bad apples in PvE can be avoided, in PvP they can’t.

Dungeons sadly is the only area in PVE, I’ve run into players being jerks. Normally players are very helpful in the open world and during group events.

Sola.7250:

Dungeons sadly is the only area in PVE, I’ve run into players being jerks. Normally players are very helpful in the open world and during group events.

Really? Champion train people…. Now they are mean.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Sola.7250:

Dungeons sadly is the only area in PVE, I’ve run into players being jerks. Normally players are very helpful in the open world and during group events.

Really? Champion train people…. Now they are mean.

Also when people were having issues with Tequatl, people could be very mean. There will always be people that are stressed when things don’t go well, some of those people handle stress with hostility.

mahariel.4981:

What if … you youtubed a run through? Or joined a teaching run? Or newbies only?

I don’t mind explaining to people, just don’t be a newbie and join an experienced only run.

experienced runs mean if things don’t go perfectly right everyone quits. Or kicks people randomly that is about it.

laharl.8435:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Sola.7250:

Dungeons sadly is the only area in PVE, I’ve run into players being jerks. Normally players are very helpful in the open world and during group events.

Really? Champion train people…. Now they are mean.

Also when people were having issues with Tequatl, people could be very mean. There will always be people that are stressed when things don’t go well, some of those people handle stress with hostility.

I definitely handle my stress with hostility. Ask every person in my failed Arah p4 run I had before finally getting it for the first time. I’m so glad I can’t be reported or banned from mumble.

The only bad player is the player that dont want to learn. Anyone with the potential to improve actualy is worth taking, someone who refuse to listen ignore advice or wont at least back up his point with fact and explain why he do it other then ‘’i play how i want’’ is better off out of the party cooling off and meditating on his current gaming issue. Its ok if you dont know just tell us so that we can explain it to you and be willing to learn… you may not retain everything we teach you but improving is better then staying in the same state you are right now and do the same mistake over and over again. Sometime the guys knows exactly what hes doing and sometimes its just because hes clueless as to what to do and would glady take some help if someone answered him.

Even if the guy is a bear bow ranger the simple fact he switched his bear for a defrent pet or that he use something else then Longbow attack at the end of the dungeon is already a improvement, heck if its actualy his first time and he now knows all the boss and can do them on his own its a wonderfull improvement.
People who dont have the patience to endure those kind of player should stay away from pug or just make sure they are very specific in their description. I see bearbow rangers everyday i dont make a fuss out of it as long as the dungeon gets done.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Sola.7250:

Dungeons sadly is the only area in PVE, I’ve run into players being jerks. Normally players are very helpful in the open world and during group events.

Really? Champion train people…. Now they are mean.

There are jerks who kill the boss before the people who do pre-quest arrive. Happens every time.

Iris Ng.9845:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Sola.7250:

Dungeons sadly is the only area in PVE, I’ve run into players being jerks. Normally players are very helpful in the open world and during group events.

Really? Champion train people…. Now they are mean.

There are jerks who kill the boss before the people who do pre-quest arrive. Happens every time.

Hey! :’( I try my best to include everyone
I also try keep the map chat up to date to where the train is starting a loop.

Sarah

Sarahfull.4930:

Iris Ng.9845:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Sola.7250:

Dungeons sadly is the only area in PVE, I’ve run into players being jerks. Normally players are very helpful in the open world and during group events.

Really? Champion train people…. Now they are mean.

There are jerks who kill the world boss before the people who do pre-quest arrive. Happens every time.

Hey! :’( I try my best to include everyone
I also try keep the map chat up to date to where the train is starting a loop.

Sarah

Nah, I didn’t mean everyone. Where I usually go, the commander kindly goes doing the pre-quest for the dredge boss, while everyone would just wait at the spawn place until the pre-people arrive to attack the boss. Yet, there are always some jerks who just want to get his share quick, and rob others of their deserve rewards.

This community is really ridiculous.

I solo 3 maps on fractal scale 10 and end up with Mai Trin. I practice it enough to solo it quite reliably. Then I invite pugs to give them free daily. We go in and most of them die within 30 seconds. Eventually they all end up dead (facetanking) and Mai is about at 60%. Someone tells me to wipe and then they kick me because I didn’t respond. Oh, and it was all my fault because I went in first before others.

And I thought I was doing them favor as they were carried and also were able to watch how it should be done.

Now when anyone complains about getting kicked by “elitists” you can use this story.

Wethospu.6437:

This community is getting ridiculous.

I solo 3 maps on fractal scale 10 and end up with Mai Trin. I practice it enough to solo it quite reliably. Then I invite pugs to give them free daily. We go in and most of them day within 30 seconds. Eventually they all end up dead (facetanking) and Mai is about at 60%. Someone tells me to wipe and then they kick me because I didn’t respond.

What a shame

Wethospu.6437:

This community is really ridiculous.

I solo 3 maps on fractal scale 10 and end up with Mai Trin. I practice it enough to solo it quite reliably. Then I invite pugs to give them free daily. We go in and most of them die within 30 seconds. Eventually they all end up dead (facetanking) and Mai is about at 60%. Someone tells me to wipe and then they kick me because I didn’t respond. Oh, and it was all my fault because I went in first before others.

And I thought I was doing them favor as they were carried and also were able to watch how it should be done.

Now when anyone complains about getting kicked by “elitists” you can use this story.

I feel upset for you, because I hate Mai Trin and even more the fact that ignorant noobs is griefing the ones who do them favor.

Weth, that is awful. Poor you.

Wethospu.6437:

This community is really ridiculous.

I solo 3 maps on fractal scale 10 and end up with Mai Trin. I practice it enough to solo it quite reliably. Then I invite pugs to give them free daily. We go in and most of them die within 30 seconds. Eventually they all end up dead (facetanking) and Mai is about at 60%. Someone tells me to wipe and then they kick me because I didn’t respond. Oh, and it was all my fault because I went in first before others.

And I thought I was doing them favor as they were carried and also were able to watch how it should be done.

Now when anyone complains about getting kicked by “elitists” you can use this story.

Amazing…

Bsgapollo.5364:

I usually read in the pvp forums how new players get trashtalked for making a mistake or entering soloque immediately when you’re a beginner, I’m a 100% against this since everyone started some where, also that’s why there is a matchmaking system, so new players don’t get put up with more experienced ones.

However.. It seems like pve is no different. I’ve been playing Gw2 since beta we1. Always enjoyed pvp more then pve since I like the idea of being competitive and beating other players with no gear advantage, purely skill. Now, the past few days I’ve been trying out pve, obviously I tried to find party’s to try out a dungeon.. I’m a level 80 elementalist with full exotic gear and ascended trinkets, just this past hour. every time I asked people to willingly explain me the dungeon they kicked me.

I actually have plently of experience on how to play my character I’m just asking for some information how the dungeon is and what I can expect. All it takes is like 5 minutes of explaining and I’m on my way.

It’s honestly no surprise why new players on gw2 just turn the game down and try something else with a community like this. Maybe I’ve been unlucky, I’ll try out some more parties and see how it goes. If it doesn’t work out, oh well, back to some pvp action I guess.

Here’s some really good advice:

Join a guild to learn the mechanics of runnings dungeons; join PUGs to run those dungeons when guildmates aren’t around.

I’m fine with inexperienced people in my group for dungeons. I can be very patient, unless I’m having a bad day in real life or whatnot. I’ve even had someone ask me how old I am because I was being patient with the group. However, there are some people that I can’t stand in dungeons.
Once in CM we were dying from all the riflemen and we had a guardian in the party. I asked that pug if he could put on wall of reflection because I happened to be on my necro (I usually go with my mesmer or guardian, but I saw that we had a guardian and I had an itch to play my necro that day). Not only did he not do it, he told me it’s not part of his build as a dps guardian, and he didn’t even bother spending the skillpoints for that skill.
Also, a lot of the times pugs just don’t tell you they’re new to this have no idea what they’re doing, that’s also what annoys me. I like to melee Lupi because I feel it’s safer for me. I’ve had countless pugs just follow me into melee, not knowing anything, and get kicked (by Lupi)/killed by swarms/have grubs spawned on them. Then I have to tell them to reset, and sometimes they don’t do it, and once I had to kill Lupi with 4 stacks and I was the last one standing when he fell.
So, moral of the story is, there are still people who are willing to help. But sometimes I’m really discouraged by people who can’t open their minds just a sliver to other people’s suggestions, and people who don’t tell you that they’re inexperienced and they end up making everything harder than it has to be.

^ Lol, that sounds very familiar. I had a similar experience where the guardian refuses to use Wall of Reflection when we asked for it. It’s partially the reason I don’t do CM anymore on a full lfg party. The dungeon requires a mesmer/thief + guardian for a fast run, and I can’t expect pugs to listen when it’s a known trend that people refuses to listen.

The DPS guardian bit cracked me up too, since I had a guardian use that same line of reasoning, too. Reflecting damage is a part of maximizing DPS as it mitigates damage while dealing extra damage. Thankfully by ignoring CM, I’ve not had problems with any more selfish guardians who pull off such wack arguments.

idk, I used to not do CM, but I’m doing it much more often now. I bring my own guardian and do all the critical reflect stuff myself. I don’t trust pug guardians because they are usually using trash builds like cleric staff or meh stuff like the old strife build, or the new nemesis build. That and I pop survival skills for the trash runs when we dont have a stealth class. Or we just kill the last room because its like 20 extra seconds. Of course I’ve been using the 80s only tag and that keeps the disasters to a minimum. I still run generic Path 1,2,3 occasionally, but only when i have time to deal with the pug rollete’s bad spins.

CM2 with pugs would take pretty long with the bomb bit.