Guild Wars 2

Just wondering, are dungeons supposed to be very difficult if you are sub level 80?

As your stats are not optimized, they can be difficult. However, they are possible. I recommend doing story modes with pugs or guildies, or explorable modes with guildies or teachers (see the dungeon mentor thread). Sometimes a sub 80 will make the run take a little longer, but many people are willing to take you anyway

Edit: also remember to check the dungeon level to be sure you are at or above it’s recommended level.

There’s a number of factors which play into this:

1. Is your gear level appropriate? Often while levelling up, players neglect to upgrade their gear to keep pace with their levels. (I’m guilty of this myself when I was hoarding every last silver I got.) Level scaling takes your gear bonuses into account, so if you’re not using appropriate gear, you’re actually operating at a considerable handicap.

2. Sub-level 80’s tend to not have a complete suite of skills, multiple weapons and/or multiple armor sets, which means they’re less flexible. It’s quite common for experienced dungeon veterans to swap out skills, weapons or even armor sets for different sections of a dungeon. Lower level players usually don’t have these options, although it’s generally not a huge issue provided their build is versatile enough to deal with varying situations.

3. Dungeons are a considerable step up in difficulty from open world PvE. For many players, dungeons are the first time they’re confronting Elites and Champions, which can be a rude shock in terms of how much damage they deal. You adapt after a while, but yes, dungeons are not like what you’re used to if you haven’t done them before.

All that said, don’t let that discourage you from trying dungeons. Dungeons are advertised for a certain level range and up, and if you meet that criteria, you’re entitled to give it a go. Avoid groups that are advertising for experienced/speed clears/zerkers only etc., since these guys usually want experienced teammates who can blow through a dungeon quickly, but even “newbie” groups are likely to get an experienced player or two who’s willing to lead you through the dungeon if you speak up.

If you haven’t done any dungeons at all, you might also want to try doing low-level Fractals first. These are kind of in-between open world and dungeons in terms of difficulty, and they serve as a good place for you to cut your teeth.

The only problem I could think of is if this sub-level is your first character and you haven’t learnt all the important skills yet, you are more likely not to have enough reflex against all the big damage hits. It could result in a few frustrating wipes.

On the other hand, if you have run that dungeon a hundred times and this sub-level is your alt, most people knowing that you’re experienced will not mind it.

P.S. I know of someone who brought his level 6 warrior to Arah and did fine

If I had to restart the game, I’d start doing dungeons when at 80 and with decent gear. With kittenty downscaled stats and how it works with gear (which is most likely subpar when levelling) I didn’t find it pleasant to run dungeons as a lowbie.

With a low lvl group some common tactics such as stacking become much more difficult. Once i was in a group with 3 lowbies in AC, we simply couldn’t survive in the stack against the spider queen.

Guardians and warriors have an easier time when they are low lvl, but engs thieves eles etc are really squishy.

And before lvl 80 your character usually doesnt have an effective build yet, a lvl 80 mesmer or engineer is totally different from a lvl 40.

Casmurro, clearly, your group has done it wrong. Do you want to learn the right way? Dungeon mentors are here to help.

BTW, my AC group today has a level-32 guardian and a 64 engi. We did fine, except for when skipping gravelings to the boss.

The GW2 dungeons are difficult if you’re not familiar with tactics or not used to dungeon fighting. Most players have always run through dungeons with common knowledge tactics and assume that the dungeons are simple, but it is only the tactics that make it so. Experienced players can get through the dungeons fine using characters that are on level with only masterwork gear.

I also failed the stack on my lowbie (~35ish ele) and a full lowbie party except 1 engi. all of the people were running random non-meta builds so poor DPS even for lowbies prevented us from beating the spider queen. We just ranged her in the open and succeeded.

However, I don’t see any problem with being unable to do a stack if your DPS is low.

^ Like the above, if the stack method isn’t working, just fight her in the fountain room and range her down while avoiding her attacks. It’s not hard to avoid her AoE’s (although the gargoyle heads can get rather annoying). It’s just that this method is slower than the stack method, so it’s not as preferred.

I’m probably wrong. I forget that my ele does almost all the damage anyways. And she’s 80. That’s no good.

In before the stacking, my guild still use the open room, but have to clear the gargoyles first.

The only way i could’ve survived in that stack would be if i used the build from this vídeo:

In a low lvl group of non-heavy armor players just that web atack that causes immobilizes can down the squishiest members immediatly, so a support build with healing shouts and runes of soldier would help the group.

I know that that kind of warrior build is weak in a lvl 80 group, but with low lvl groups it really makes a difference. If you go to AC with a lvl 35 engineer with armor with power+precision stats you will be downed with the most basic auto-atacks from the mobs.

I learned from a transylvanian youtuber that those tactics are exploiting and are ruining the game. I will just ignore that advice and start running healing shouts for now on, i dont want gw2 to die because of such exploits!

Firstly, they are not exploits. Those skills have been used since release as intended.

Secondly, corner and FGS walk hands in hands. I could not have used FGS, I still finish the fight fast with Lightning Hammer.

Thirdly, it’s OK to play what is best for you. However, if I were you, I would try everything myself with a rational mind.

Fourthly, I’m offering my advice with a sincere intention to help but I feel uncomfortable with the tone of your accusation. If you are here to troll like your ‘transylvanian youtuber’, then that is it for me. Goodnight, Sir.

Iris Ng.9845:

Firstly, they are not exploits. Those skills have been used since release as intended.

Secondly, corner and FGS walk hands in hands. I could not have used FGS, I still finish the fight fast with Lightning Hammer.

Thirdly, it’s OK to play what is best for you. However, if I were you, I would try everything myself with a rational mind.

Fourthly, I’m offering my advice with a sincere intention to help but I feel uncomfortable with the tone of your accusation. If you are here to troll like your ‘transylvanian youtuber’, then that is it for me. Goodnight, Sir.

Sarcasm… And we all know who the “transylvanian youtuber” is. He’s very fond of hour-long explanations on bad builds.

guanlongwucaii.3162:

Iris Ng.9845:

Firstly, they are not exploits. Those skills have been used since release as intended.

Secondly, corner and FGS walk hands in hands. I could not have used FGS, I still finish the fight fast with Lightning Hammer.

Thirdly, it’s OK to play what is best for you. However, if I were you, I would try everything myself with a rational mind.

Fourthly, I’m offering my advice with a sincere intention to help but I feel uncomfortable with the tone of your accusation. If you are here to troll like your ‘transylvanian youtuber’, then that is it for me. Goodnight, Sir.

Sarcasm… And we all know who the “transylvanian youtuber” is. He’s very fond of hour-long explanations on bad builds.

I love how he says “meta builds” like it’s something dirty or repulsive.

I know who the “transylvanian youtuber” is. I just didn’t know that was sarcasm. I… I… didn’t act myself at all

Iris Ng.9845:

I know who the “transylvanian youtuber” is. I just didn’t know that was sarcasm. I… I… didn’t act myself at all

pat pat

Do you ever go to bed?

Yeah, it was pretty late last night :\

Iris Ng.9845:

Yeah, it was pretty late last night :\

I slept after my unintelligible comment on the ele drama thread which I typed on my phone in bed. Lol. I need to let this stuff go, sometimes I think.

Also, OP sorry for derailing your thread.

I don’t see any reason not to do story modes, at least, while leveling. That’s my opinion though,