Raid suggestion - Full Run and Partial Run

Raid suggestion - Full Run and Partial Run

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Posted by: Agent Noun.7350

Agent Noun.7350

Hey there, GW2 PvE friends! Let me start this off by saying that we obviously have no idea how long raids will take. It’s possible they won’t be very long at all and this suggestion won’t be needed. It’s possible they’ll be super long. We just plain don’t know. So please read my following suggestions with that in mind!

Anyway, let’s assume they’re going to be pretty long. Just for the sake of argument.

What if I want to raid, but I can’t schedule a two-hour block of time?
I don’t know, maybe I have young kids or something. I don’t personally, but some of my guildmates do, so I naturally care about whether they can come raid with me without, y’know, neglecting their kids.

My suggestion? Not an “easy mode” and “hard mode,” but rather Full Run mode and Partial Run mode.

When you first enter a raid, you and your nine other pals get to pick whether you’re in for a full run right now, or whether you want to tackle the raid in chunks.

Full Run Mode
Maybe we can tall it “Marathon Mode?” Who knows. Name doesn’t matter. Here’s how it works: exactly how raids are described right now! Each wing is one continuous dungeon from start to finish, with no loading screens or area transitions (that aren’t normally there—we haven’t seen the raids yet, so maybe there already will be some, I don’t know). You and your party just do the raid, and at the end, you get your reward. Sweet!

Partial Run Mode
Alternative names include “Chapter Mode” or “Mini-Wings” or who knows? I’m clearly bad at naming things! Anyway, how this works is it lets you do a third of the dungeon at a time. You do the first part of the dungeon, ending with the first boss, and then there’s a portal afterwards that takes you outside of the raid. The next time you walk up to the portal, you have the option of starting right where you left off—like a bookmark.

What’s the value of this? Well, let’s imagine that the raid, all told, takes like 90 minutes for a successful run. (Total guess. We don’t know how long it’ll be yet.) But, dang it, you have kids, and you know you’re probably only going to have 30-45 minutes of uninterrupted playtime before you’re going to have to run off to do something else. So you get together nine other likeminded people and do the first third of the dungeon. A couple days later, you and your pals can get together again for another 30 minutes and do the second third. And again for the last part a couple more days later—as you have time! You don’t get the full weekly reward until you down all three bosses, but you also are under no pressure to do it all at once. Cool!

Why is this a good idea?
I think it presents a really good compromise. If you want a long, uninterrupted raid experience, you and your group are free to do it as one dungeon. If you can’t commit to that, you can still raid and still get the same rewards—you’re just going to do it in smaller pieces.

How could it go wrong? Well, it would ask ArenaNet to design the raid in three discrete chunks, I suppose. But I bet they’re doing that already. All this would require is putting a portal after the first and second bosses, where I bet there’s already only one path out of the room. And maybe it’s the kind of thing that wouldn’t work for some raids, and that’s fair. But it’s an option that I think is worth considering!

But hey. Maybe it won’t be necessary and a raid will only take as long as a fractal run does now (for people who already know what they’re doing). That’s also cool! But I thought I’d float this idea just in case it sounds like a good one to some people.

Raid suggestion - Full Run and Partial Run

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Posted by: Rising Dusk.2408

Rising Dusk.2408

That’s how it already is. You will either do one wing or you might do all wings. Anyway, I would expect a well-oiled group to complete a raid wing in about an hour. If you’re wiping horrifically or otherwise just practicing, it will obviously take far longer (up to infinity if you never win).

[VZ] Valor Zeal – Stormbluff Isle – Looking for steady, casual-friendly NA raiders!

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Posted by: Agent Noun.7350

Agent Noun.7350

That’s how it already is. You will either do one wing or you might do all wings. Anyway, I would expect a well-oiled group to complete a raid wing in about an hour. If you’re wiping horrifically or otherwise just practicing, it will obviously take far longer (up to infinity if you never win).

I was under the impression that each wing would be three bosses, with trash/exploration/other stuff in between.

If a well-oiled group can complete a raid wing in about an hour then I think that’s already an excellent time frame and my suggestion above isn’t necessary. So clearly I hope you’re right!

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Posted by: Jerus.4350

Jerus.4350

I really hope there is some way to pause and come back where you left off. Or at the very least that they’re going to completely rework the instance system such that when it bugs or DC’s you, you’re not required to start all over. And of course, like your suggestion so you can do it in chunks throughout the week.

Putting my money on at least a few potential gamewide firsts being blocked by crashes or bugs

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Posted by: Agent Noun.7350

Agent Noun.7350

I really hope there is some way to pause and come back where you left off. Or at the very least that they’re going to completely rework the instance system such that when it bugs or DC’s you, you’re not required to start all over. And of course, like your suggestion so you can do it in chunks throughout the week.

Yeah, I agree. If we assume that a wing will be somewhat long, then having places where you can stop and pick up again later would be crucial.

Part of my suggestion is that it lets you do that on an individual level. If you and your group are doing a partial run, and you complete part 1 and part 2, then later in the week, you could join an entirely different group for part 3 if your original group can’t get back together. The “reset” would be individual, not group-based.

Meanwhile, there would also be an option for people who don’t want to have to go through a loading screen/area transition after each boss and want to do the whole dungeon at once, which I think is definitely valuable and something I’d want to do, too.

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Posted by: Jerus.4350

Jerus.4350

Wouldn’t need that. Just give each trash/event/boss a check box, when it’s finished you get a check in it, if you start the instance the next time it simply doesn’t spawn or start that event and instead begins on the next one.

We had that setup in Everquest actually, though it was a bit different it did allow us to knock out a few bosses each night instead of having to clear it in one shot.

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Posted by: Rising Dusk.2408

Rising Dusk.2408

I was under the impression that each wing would be three bosses, with trash/exploration/other stuff in between.

Each wing will be three encounters, at least one of which is the final boss. I expect that those encounters will vary, and may each have some kind of mini-boss associated with them, though.

[VZ] Valor Zeal – Stormbluff Isle – Looking for steady, casual-friendly NA raiders!

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Posted by: Agent Noun.7350

Agent Noun.7350

I was under the impression that each wing would be three bosses, with trash/exploration/other stuff in between.

Each wing will be three encounters, at least one of which is the final boss. I expect that those encounters will vary, and may each have some kind of mini-boss associated with them, though.

The blog post says three bosses, not three encounters: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/raids-in-guild-wars-2/

Steven Waller

In the first Raid wing, players will face three awesome, diverse, and very challenging bosses as well as an epic event that will leave players literally running for their lives.

But, I mean, that also says nothing about whether there will be any encounters between each boss fight, so I’m not saying you’re wrong.

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Posted by: Rising Dusk.2408

Rising Dusk.2408

The blog post says three bosses, not three encounters: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/raids-in-guild-wars-2/

There will probably be some stuff between each encounter, but when I say encounter I mean that there will be other events that lead up to whatever boss you fight, and it won’t just be “enter arena, fight boss, move on”. Each encounter having a boss is exciting, though.

[VZ] Valor Zeal – Stormbluff Isle – Looking for steady, casual-friendly NA raiders!