Guild Wars 2

MadOtaku.8532:

To be fair Anet charged money for the betas, since there hasn’t been many of them and they also had little content to test having bugs that make what little content we have to test unable to be played is quite the stumble. Some people don’t have all weekend to play yet they paid money to play it, so many people have good reason to be annoyed simply passing it off as its a beta these things happen is kinda lacking.

At this rate 23rd – 23rd nov will be a month long beta. That is a standard I will be expecting. (if you fudge up Halloween well….

Faith….

They charged a price for the expansion itself the beta was just a perk that came with it. Beta testing is testing to make sure things are working. We’ve obviously shown some things are not working and they are working to fix it before the expansion goes live.

Any update? hoping to get at least one raid test in before this ends.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Any update? hoping to get at least one raid test in before this ends.

Same here, team rdy to go, waiting for raids to open up somewhere in the next 2 days, if not, plz considder extending the beta

#BelieveInTheRaidTeam
#NoPressure
#CookiesSlashCoffeeAlwaysAvailable
#HaveSomeRest
#StillBelieve

Vizaerios.1765:

MadOtaku.8532:

To be fair Anet charged money for the betas, since there hasn’t been many of them and they also had little content to test having bugs that make what little content we have to test unable to be played is quite the stumble. Some people don’t have all weekend to play yet they paid money to play it, so many people have good reason to be annoyed simply passing it off as its a beta these things happen is kinda lacking.

At this rate 23rd – 23rd nov will be a month long beta. That is a standard I will be expecting. (if you fudge up Halloween well….

Faith….

They charged a price for the expansion itself the beta was just a perk that came with it. Beta testing is testing to make sure things are working. We’ve obviously shown some things are not working and they are working to fix it before the expansion goes live.

How is it an extra feature it was without a doubt the main feature for my purchase and i am pretty positive many others as well. Can you really tell me you would have pre paid if beta wasn’t included and was just random or a portal drop still. So many people pre paid for the beta.

MadOtaku.8532:

How is it an extra feature it was without a doubt the main feature for my purchase and i am pretty positive many others as well. Can you really tell me you would have pre paid if beta wasn’t included and was just random or a portal drop still. So many people pre paid for the beta.

Cost of prepurchase, with beta access: $50
Cost of HoT post release, no beta access: $50

Amount paid for beta access: $0.

QED

That said, it will be a bummer if we don’t get another crack at raids before launch. But before we start crying “foul!”, let’s see how the rest of the weekend goes, and whether they allow more beta time if they can’t get things fixed this weekend.

dlonie.6547:

MadOtaku.8532:

How is it an extra feature it was without a doubt the main feature for my purchase and i am pretty positive many others as well. Can you really tell me you would have pre paid if beta wasn’t included and was just random or a portal drop still. So many people pre paid for the beta.

Cost of prepurchase, with beta access: $50
Cost of HoT post release, no beta access: $50

Amount paid for beta access: $0.

QED

Cost of expack wont be $50 for long after launch, business is quite simple if you can charge more you do it, the beta is more and if it didn’t come into consideration on the cost of the expack someone needs to loose their job. Especially since the items included in the pre purchase were not even shown, many people buy things when its max price and pay more because of hype. If Anet didn’t make money from pre purchase they wouldn’t bother to do it, no company would.

MadOtaku.8532:

Vizaerios.1765:

MadOtaku.8532:

To be fair Anet charged money for the betas, since there hasn’t been many of them and they also had little content to test having bugs that make what little content we have to test unable to be played is quite the stumble. Some people don’t have all weekend to play yet they paid money to play it, so many people have good reason to be annoyed simply passing it off as its a beta these things happen is kinda lacking.

At this rate 23rd – 23rd nov will be a month long beta. That is a standard I will be expecting. (if you fudge up Halloween well….

Faith….

They charged a price for the expansion itself the beta was just a perk that came with it. Beta testing is testing to make sure things are working. We’ve obviously shown some things are not working and they are working to fix it before the expansion goes live.

How is it an extra feature it was without a doubt the main feature for my purchase and i am pretty positive many others as well. Can you really tell me you would have pre paid if beta wasn’t included and was just random or a portal drop still. So many people pre paid for the beta.

The beta is included. You can literally play it right now. You are not being denied anything.

Since quoting is a bad idea, and I hate for everything I typed to be lost, adding back for reference.

MMO’s are big monstrosities. It’s their nature.

No, a CS student is the last thing you want in there, and this is indication.

Just think of how the system works and how it is wanted to work. Just take chat: They could have had chat mostly handled by the map server, but they wanted players to communicate in a lot of ways. It is handled separately from the map server, while the map has to be able to communicate with the chat server. You have mapchat, teamchat (at least in pvp/wvw), whispers, hmm am I missing something? Oh right, Squadchat…

Now, parties, they said days ago that squad and party is going to be exclusive with the enhanced ui because squad subgroups. No I don’t like or agree with this in general (and don’t get me started on the party dots changing color depending on what guild you are in, and then not even being consistent on if it does change color for everyone but that’s a different situation so back to point)

So… since squad was getting changed, and squad touches multiple servers and is touched by multiple servers, umm how could it not affect many things if it failed to work the way it did work in the Dev test environment? They can simulate what effect it will have all they want, but Live servers are going to react differently, especially with how many players there are, doing so many different things.

Please keep in mind, we are not just talking about one application with multiple processes interacting. This is not just your client having a bad day. This is a multi-server (multiple hardware server systems as well as a lot of applications all running, talking to each other, and central servers including the login server, main databases, etc) situation, with each part doing a lot of things.

I would be shocked if something that touches and is touched by most aspects of the entire game did not break something when it freaked out. Wouldn’t you be shocked if a beta for something that changes so much worked perfectly the first time it was thrown to at least tens of thousands of users?

MadOtaku.8532:

Vizaerios.1765:

MadOtaku.8532:

To be fair Anet charged money for the betas, since there hasn’t been many of them and they also had little content to test having bugs that make what little content we have to test unable to be played is quite the stumble. Some people don’t have all weekend to play yet they paid money to play it, so many people have good reason to be annoyed simply passing it off as its a beta these things happen is kinda lacking.

At this rate 23rd – 23rd nov will be a month long beta. That is a standard I will be expecting. (if you fudge up Halloween well….

Faith….

They charged a price for the expansion itself the beta was just a perk that came with it. Beta testing is testing to make sure things are working. We’ve obviously shown some things are not working and they are working to fix it before the expansion goes live.

How is it an extra feature it was without a doubt the main feature for my purchase and i am pretty positive many others as well. Can you really tell me you would have pre paid if beta wasn’t included and was just random or a portal drop still. So many people pre paid for the beta.

That may be why you purchased, but the beta access is a side benefit, not what was sold. What was sold was Heart of Thorns. What you still have is Heart of Thorns. That said, they want raids tested before release, because they have mor ework that needs to be done on them, and they know it. They NEED it tested on live with lots of people. They are very likely to do a raid stress test if it can’t be launched this weekend.

as for it not being 50 long after launch, it is most likely going to be $50 til after new years. It is doubtful, although possible, for it to drop for christmas, but based on #‘s that must be sold at $50 before new years… I wouldn’t hold my breath. Either way, you’ll have HoT access from release through the price drop. That is the cost of ‘early adoption’.

Fizz.8763:

MadOtaku.8532:

Vizaerios.1765:

MadOtaku.8532:

To be fair Anet charged money for the betas, since there hasn’t been many of them and they also had little content to test having bugs that make what little content we have to test unable to be played is quite the stumble. Some people don’t have all weekend to play yet they paid money to play it, so many people have good reason to be annoyed simply passing it off as its a beta these things happen is kinda lacking.

At this rate 23rd – 23rd nov will be a month long beta. That is a standard I will be expecting. (if you fudge up Halloween well….

Faith….

They charged a price for the expansion itself the beta was just a perk that came with it. Beta testing is testing to make sure things are working. We’ve obviously shown some things are not working and they are working to fix it before the expansion goes live.

How is it an extra feature it was without a doubt the main feature for my purchase and i am pretty positive many others as well. Can you really tell me you would have pre paid if beta wasn’t included and was just random or a portal drop still. So many people pre paid for the beta.

The beta is included. You can literally play it right now. You are not being denied anything.

Do you think it was a coincidence Colin told everyone that its only the part of the first map in betas after the main force pre purchased. So with the beta test as it is which is only testing specialisations and UI so far what little content we have being bugged is yanno, I’m not saying its unforgivable or anything just that if they cant avoid these kinds of bugs now when the expack launches well it just wont be playable never mind bugs.

Alpha has bugs, beta has bugs, live will have bugs.

Relax and have fun, that’s why we play GW2

I guess I can move on with my life then. I was so eagerly waiting for the fix that I was keeping tabs on the forums today while at work.

But yeah hopefully we get to test it b4 release for some proper feedback.

Regina Buenaobra.6193:

Hey everyone, I have an update regarding the availability of raids.

Due to the issues we experienced yesterday with the Enhance Squad UI and with further internal discussion, we have made the very difficult decision to keep raids turned off for the remainder of the beta weekend.

We are continuing to investigate the issues and also looking into options that would allow us to get more testing on these features before we release.

We thank you for your patience and understanding.

honestly speaking, why does this not surprise me?

ayy lmao

Thanks for letting us know, and I look forward to hearing more about the next test time. At least you guys got a ton of feedback (bickering? lol) about the Red/Blue/Green guardians!

Time to get off this forum before the tears of the people who are surprised that a beta had bugs drowns us all.

Regina Buenaobra.6193:

Hey everyone, I have an update regarding the availability of raids.

Due to the issues we experienced yesterday with the Enhance Squad UI and with further internal discussion, we have made the very difficult decision to keep raids turned off for the remainder of the beta weekend.

We are continuing to investigate the issues and also looking into options that would allow us to get more testing on these features before we release.

We thank you for your patience and understanding.

I’m disappointed, but not surprised.

Regina Buenaobra.6193:

Hey everyone, I have an update regarding the availability of raids.

Due to the issues we experienced yesterday with the Enhance Squad UI and with further internal discussion, we have made the very difficult decision to keep raids turned off for the remainder of the beta weekend.

We are continuing to investigate the issues and also looking into options that would allow us to get more testing on these features before we release.

We thank you for your patience and understanding.

Is there any chance that this will affect how Guild Events are instanced? I would imagine creating a large squad would be the best method for liberating a guild hall. It would be crushing if there were a bug that prevented guilds from claiming a hall as soon as they could.

Welp, this is pretty sad news, but it must have been a hard decision, so hopefully you can sort it out and get another beta test scheduled at some point before release.

I think i’ll echo dlonie and get out of here now before the whining and “i told you so’s” become suffocating.

Why disable them anyway? Yes the UI didn’t work properly but we could still do the raid with a few workarounds.

Thanks for the Information. I hope you find the Issue fast and hope we can Test the Raid before Release. Must be frustating to have something that worked fine in Internal ( must be, otherwise you wouldn’t let us test this ) to be completely Broken once it went Live. Hope you can fix it fast.

The point he is making is that even though squad was completely broken we could still get it to work and get into the raids to try them. Basically everyone exit the game so your party status resets and then rebuild the squad and it should work.

Wizeon.3852:

Why disable them anyway? Yes the UI didn’t work properly but we could still do the raid with a few workarounds.

Most likely it isn’t that simple. It’s a pretty hard decision to disable something completely. I don’t think this came lightly.

Well that is two things complete broken this beta.

Raids and Shatterspike 2.0
Er, sorry, I mean, “Chronomancers”

Looks like there’ll be a BWE4 ^________^

Archomeda.6472:

Wizeon.3852:

Why disable them anyway? Yes the UI didn’t work properly but we could still do the raid with a few workarounds.

Do you have information that we don’t have? How can you know that it would be easy with “a few workarounds”? As far as I understood, the squad UI is integrated deeply in the raid system.

This pretty much:

The point he is making is that even though squad was completely broken we could still get it to work and get into the raids to try them. Basically everyone exit the game so your party status resets and then rebuild the squad and it should work.

We were able to try the raid multiple times and when we finally figured out the Vale Guardians mechanics for the second phase the raids were completely disabled.

Okay – where do we send the cookies to persuade Colin to have another Beta weekend with ONLY the Raids so we can actually provide them the valuable feedback they need?

I hear ANET like Chocolate Chip Cookies.

Wizeon.3852:

Archomeda.6472:

Wizeon.3852:

Why disable them anyway? Yes the UI didn’t work properly but we could still do the raid with a few workarounds.

Do you have information that we don’t have? How can you know that it would be easy with “a few workarounds”? As far as I understood, the squad UI is integrated deeply in the raid system.

This pretty much:

The point he is making is that even though squad was completely broken we could still get it to work and get into the raids to try them. Basically everyone exit the game so your party status resets and then rebuild the squad and it should work.

We were able to try the raid multiple times and when we finally figured out the Vale Guardians mechanics for the second phase the raids were completely disabled.

Then how do you know that’s the only thing that’s broken? I’ve even heard some people having issues with chat after entering/leaving a squad.

The thing is, something happened that they did not predict. And they want to have it turned off, just in case something else happens that might not be easily fixable afterwards (e.g. corrupted account data or w/e you can think of that nobody wants to happen).

Only squad chat was broken. You could use map or say chat as a work around.

Regina Buenaobra.6193:

Hey everyone, I have an update regarding the availability of raids.

Due to the issues we experienced yesterday with the Enhance Squad UI and with further internal discussion, we have made the very difficult decision to keep raids turned off for the remainder of the beta weekend.

We are continuing to investigate the issues and also looking into options that would allow us to get more testing on these features before we release.

We thank you for your patience and understanding.

and how are we gonna support bugs?

Nobody could really test raids at scale (for f**** sake even play the wing trough)! release is in 20 days, are we supposed to get a buggy “high level/hardcore contend” ?. Despite the upcoming bugs in pvE and pvP or WvW.

WvW got only a few “stress” tests but not a real beta – sure WVWis only the third wheel (don’t come up with the new “improvements” or the BL ) on the waggon. As a WvW player all i want is a lag free map with NO pvE content on it. (it could really just be a FLAT green grass map with 3 spawn points and a keep in the middle)

There is no bwe 4 announced, release is on a friday – so optimistically the whole weekend will be unplayable, which will be a bunch information to all the new f2p players and a bigger punch in the face of all existing players.

For hell we didn’t even know what kind of bugs we are expecting in the pvE contend.

FYI: i don’t blame the dev’s – they are trying there best but somewhere is a project manager or a CEO who only sees $/€ in their eyes and don’t give a F*** about bug free content (or similar). Please talk to the ppl from CDProjectRED (witcher 3) – the player base don’t really mind a delay for the release, if there will be WAY less bugs after.

spoj.9672:

Only squad chat was broken. You could use map or say chat as a work around.

I’m out. Seems some people here really don’t understand that it’s not as easy to clap in your hands and tada! We have a solution or workaround.

Anyway, to ArenaNet: While I’m sad that we couldn’t try out the raids or the new squad UI, I appreciate that you posted an update so we aren’t left in the dark. I hope you’ll be able to find a solution soon so we can test it again.

I am disappointed but I understand completely I just hope we can test these feature before release I would like to say the raid was working perfectly for me some bugs and some tweaks needed but its a beta so thats to be expected but other than that it is just the squad UI that was a bother.

Regina Buenaobra.6193:

Hey everyone, I have an update regarding the availability of raids.

Due to the issues we experienced yesterday with the Enhance Squad UI and with further internal discussion, we have made the very difficult decision to keep raids turned off for the remainder of the beta weekend.

We are continuing to investigate the issues and also looking into options that would allow us to get more testing on these features before we release.

We thank you for your patience and understanding.

BWE 4? pretty please?

Anyways, I get it, don’t expect to me stop being pessimistic, but honestly this is one things I completely understand, I believe I already posted the story about a friend of mine who was a dev for another game I played working over 12 hours, I get it, Hope you all got some sleep last night, and I hope you get some rest for the remainder of the weekend. I’m sure you deserve it.

It’s important to note that raids were announced stating they were NOT shipping with HoT. There’s plenty of time for testing, it’ll all be alright.

Thanks anet for trying for this weekend, I know the past little bit must have been stressful and busy for you all. Good luck smoothing everything out, I can’t wait to try the raids out myself!

Raid testing day maybe?

Thanks for the update.

spoj.9672:

Only squad chat was broken. You could use map or say chat as a work around.

If only the Chat was broken then Anet didn’t need to Disable the Raid. There more far more Issues with the Squad UI itself, like getting kicked out of the Raid, the UI not being displayed correct and even Log In Problems that vanished after deactivation of the UI.

Answertron.4837:

It’s important to note that raids were announced stating they were NOT shipping with HoT. There’s plenty of time for testing, it’ll all be alright.

Thanks anet for trying for this weekend, I know the past little bit must have been stressful and busy for you all. Good luck smoothing everything out, I can’t wait to try the raids out myself!

No, they are shipping 2 weeks after the HoT is released…. Not as much time as you think.

Walhalla.5473:

spoj.9672:

Only squad chat was broken. You could use map or say chat as a work around.

If only the Chat was broken then Anet didn’t need to Disable the Raid. There more far more Issues with the Squad UI itself, like getting kicked out of the Raid, the UI not being displayed correct and even Log In Problems that vanished after deactivation of the UI.

Not to mention that these issues also affected normal live server operation.

Im not saying i disagree with the devs decision. Just pointing out it never completely locked us out of anything until they actually disabled it. Some would certainly prefer trying to work with a broken system than not playing at all. Its a valid opinion.

I was just clarifying what Wizeon meant. Dont assume i agree with him.

TPMN.1483:

Okay – where do we send the cookies to persuade Colin to have another Beta weekend with ONLY the Raids so we can actually provide them the valuable feedback they need?

I hear ANET like Chocolate Chip Cookies.

Better off sending Snickerdoodles

Oh another note it is a shame that the ui has some kinks but hopefully we can get to test raids

Also remember guys there is a another person on the other end of the screen so don’t be a jerk to them they are human too.

i see it coming: from wednesday to friday u can drop a portal of maguma raids in fractals, with a chance lower than the fractal tonic, to test raids…

ok joke aside: please make a raidtest open for everyone that preorderd HoT! not just a handful selected players.

Ps: that really ruined my weekend. all the week i was so excited that i just cant hide it…. and i hate everyone that was able to get into the raid and test it with more or less issues.
kitten happend, problems can happen, no offense. but i am still mad about it, even if its noones fault.

:(

It is the logical procedure.

But it would be even more logical to actually work on stuff, with time and resources, instead of doing it this way (i guess rushing it, in the last minute, with no proper testing, etc).
Almost no content in 10 months, and things are unplayable or broken (mordrem attacks, now the squad UI/Raid…)… and HoT is in 20 days…

How can anybody be optimistic?

Hey devs I know you’re still working kitten the kinks but for everyone who is playing and purchased beta will be quite dissapointed even if you did your best. I recommend placing a public service announcement upon entering Verdant Brink stating that raids will be unavailable instead of making people come in and be uber confused and scroll through forums. Either that or put a big cross on the door.

A lot of us pre-purchased Heart of Thorns to get access to the beta with the intention of experimenting and testing the raid content. As soon as the beta went live, we updated, made new classes, and waited outside the raids, only to get inside and get booted immediately. If you were lucky enough to get to make it inside of the raid, you would grind through three trash mobs, only to get dc’d by the boss. Most of us waited for hours for the UI to be fixed outside of the portal, only to be greeted with forum posts saying “we’re working on it”. After having it confirmed as working by a developer as “fixed”, we logged back on in an attempt to get back into our raids. If you had the misfortune of being tagged during this time any change of map or dc would leave you done for the night.This didn’t just affect those of us attempting to test raid content, it affected the commanders who were participating in reset night on wvw, Guild leaders taking their guildies through missions, and even people who were generally helping others and were tagged up at the time.Due to the extent of the issues and the hype that came around the raids and the Beta Weekend in general, I feel like some form of compensations would be a nice condolence to “heal some of the wounds” not just to the beta players, but everyone affected by the unfortunate bugs yesterday, as well as to boost the moral of the community for the expansion to come.

Diesel Dog [Obey] Tarnished Coast

Regina Buenaobra.6193:

Hey everyone, I have an update regarding the availability of raids.

Due to the issues we experienced yesterday with the Enhance Squad UI and with further internal discussion, we have made the very difficult decision to keep raids turned off for the remainder of the beta weekend.

We are continuing to investigate the issues and also looking into options that would allow us to get more testing on these features before we release.

We thank you for your patience and understanding.

So….will there be a special raid test weekend? It wouldn’t even have to be before launch really since raids won’t be in for another few weeks after launch. That would be nice, uh….but don’t make it next weekend if you decide to throw in another test weekend. NY comic-con is next weekend, don’t make me choose!

Thanks for the update.