Guild Wars 2

Broadicea.8294:

oh no, the guardian had to bring hallowed ground and purging flames, party comp is radically altered….

And yet my point still stands.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

randomfightfan.4091:

“Rangers aren’t as bad as everyone thinks they are.”

Well story time for you then. Just finished a pug CoE run. There’s 2 rangers in our group. One has 11k achieves, one 10.8k. One guy in the pt brings up your video. The rangers say they don’t use that build, it’s junk, they use their build, the “best” build. After 3 runs of Coe, the did nothing at all except sbow 1 spamming. They swapped weapons once the entire dungeon… to long bow for the destroyer.

Rangers are still just as bad as ever, despite what this video shows.

Bad Rangers are bad. The profession has qualities that make it very good, despite everything I used to think about them. That’s why we had a 16 second Destroyer kill and you… Well, you played with some bad Rangers.

You’re right, I should have worded my post better. As a class it’s possible to achieve some good moves. It’s just sad that the majority of the players don’t even try to do those moves. I wouldn’t have even said anything but the rangers said that ranger was their main and they each were almost at or over 11k achieve points. It’s disgusting to know that some people don’t even care about intentionally making a bad name for their own class.

randomfightfan.4091:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

randomfightfan.4091:

“Rangers aren’t as bad as everyone thinks they are.”

Well story time for you then. Just finished a pug CoE run. There’s 2 rangers in our group. One has 11k achieves, one 10.8k. One guy in the pt brings up your video. The rangers say they don’t use that build, it’s junk, they use their build, the “best” build. After 3 runs of Coe, the did nothing at all except sbow 1 spamming. They swapped weapons once the entire dungeon… to long bow for the destroyer.

Rangers are still just as bad as ever, despite what this video shows.

Bad Rangers are bad. The profession has qualities that make it very good, despite everything I used to think about them. That’s why we had a 16 second Destroyer kill and you… Well, you played with some bad Rangers.

You’re right, I should have worded my post better. As a class it’s possible to achieve some good moves. It’s just sad that the majority of the players don’t even try to do those moves. I wouldn’t have even said anything but the rangers said that ranger was their main and they each were almost at or over 11k achieve points. It’s disgusting to know that some people don’t even care about intentionally making a bad name for their own class.

I recorded a CoF run with a 10k achievement point Thief that used Pistol / Pistol the entire run. I don’t understand people like that, I don’t know why they play the way they do. I’ll never understand why it’s fun to play a Mace / Shield Warrior and gear it out with expensive armor and weapons, but I guess people enjoy what they do.

does ranger’s spirit stack if there are more ranger?

laokoko.7403:

does ranger’s spirit stack if there are more ranger?

Just tried it out to double check. If one Ranger has Vigorous Spirits traited and the other Ranger doesn’t, you get 2 Frost Spirit buffs on your bar. One of the buffs is a 35% chance to inflict 10% bonus damage on hit, the other is a 70% chance to inflict bonus damage on hit. I’ll go into the mists and test it with steady weapons or something and see what the outcome is.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

laokoko.7403:

does ranger’s spirit stack if there are more ranger?

Just tried it out to double check. If one Ranger has Vigorous Spirits traited and the other Ranger doesn’t, you get 2 Frost Spirit buffs on your bar. One of the buffs is a 35% chance to inflict 10% bonus damage on hit, the other is a 70% chance to inflict bonus damage on hit. I’ll go into the mists and test it with steady weapons or something and see what the outcome is.

Now that would be interesting :o

They most definitely stack.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

They most definitely stack.

Now could we get somebody that isn’t Brazil to test it

Player Character.9467:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

They most definitely stack.

Now could we get somebody that isn’t Brazil to test it

Would you like me to go record it? Without an amulet and armor and with a steady shortbow, I wakittenting for 36 damage each time. With one Frost Spirit active, I would hit for 36 and 40 damage, and with both Frost Spirits active I would hit for 36, 40, and 44. With only the 70% Frost Spirit active, most of my attacks would hit for 40. With both spirits active, I would mostly hit for 40, hit 44 fairly frequently, and barely hit 36. There is no internal cooldown on the Spirits damage bonus, and they do in fact stack if one spirit is traited and one is not.

I’ll just go record it anyways.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Zenith.7301:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

randomfightfan.4091:

“Rangers aren’t as bad as everyone thinks they are.”

Well story time for you then. Just finished a pug CoE run. There’s 2 rangers in our group. One has 11k achieves, one 10.8k. One guy in the pt brings up your video. The rangers say they don’t use that build, it’s junk, they use their build, the “best” build. After 3 runs of Coe, the did nothing at all except sbow 1 spamming. They swapped weapons once the entire dungeon… to long bow for the destroyer.

Rangers are still just as bad as ever, despite what this video shows.

Bad Rangers are bad. The profession has qualities that make it very good, despite everything I used to think about them. That’s why we had a 16 second Destroyer kill and you… Well, you played with some bad Rangers.

I had a TA run with this ranger. I told him to not use the bear — that if he had issues with pet survival to just run a drake as it’s similarly tanky, but does the damage of dogs and is the only pet that cleaves and has a blast finisher.

The ranger proceeded to longbow all things to death with his bear put on passive throughout the run.

I mained a ranger. I don’t have a vendetta against the class. But the way this game advertises the class just attracts the worst of players to it. I very rarely see rangers that will melee. It’s all those terrible bows.

It’s not like I don’t understand this point, but people keep telling me about it anyways.

Just an anecdote. I know you’re just trying to put into perspective how the class actually is instead of dismissing it as universally useless.

I’ve ran the build to a nice experience before. Just not for PuGs.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Player Character.9467:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

They most definitely stack.

Now could we get somebody that isn’t Brazil to test it

Would you like me to go record it? Without an amulet and armor and with a steady shortbow, I wakittenting for 36 damage each time. With one Frost Spirit active, I would hit for 36 and 40 damage, and with both Frost Spirits active I would hit for 36, 40, and 44. With only the 70% Frost Spirit active, most of my attacks would hit for 40. With both spirits active, I would mostly hit for 40, hit 44 fairly frequently, and barely hit 36. There is no internal cooldown on the Spirits damage bonus, and they do in fact stack if one spirit is traited and one is not.

I’ll just go record it anyways.

Some people might want a couple screenshots, but I was just kidding about it :P
Any1 know if the ranger board is aware of this?

Oh and next patch: warrior banners traited for range stack with nontraited, gotta keep it all even

Player Character.9467:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Player Character.9467:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

They most definitely stack.

Now could we get somebody that isn’t Brazil to test it

Would you like me to go record it? Without an amulet and armor and with a steady shortbow, I wakittenting for 36 damage each time. With one Frost Spirit active, I would hit for 36 and 40 damage, and with both Frost Spirits active I would hit for 36, 40, and 44. With only the 70% Frost Spirit active, most of my attacks would hit for 40. With both spirits active, I would mostly hit for 40, hit 44 fairly frequently, and barely hit 36. There is no internal cooldown on the Spirits damage bonus, and they do in fact stack if one spirit is traited and one is not.

I’ll just go record it anyways.

Some people might want a couple screenshots, but I was just kidding about it :P
Any1 know if the ranger board is aware of this?

Oh and next patch: warrior banners traited for range stack with nontraited, gotta keep it all even

They are. It’s hard to inform people thought when you can’t even get an invite, and if you mistakenly get one, a swift kick awaits you as soon as they see your class icon in a speed run. They know warrior and guardian is an evidently reliable setup and experimentation is not interesting to them.

Player Character.9467:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Player Character.9467:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

They most definitely stack.

Now could we get somebody that isn’t Brazil to test it

Would you like me to go record it? Without an amulet and armor and with a steady shortbow, I wakittenting for 36 damage each time. With one Frost Spirit active, I would hit for 36 and 40 damage, and with both Frost Spirits active I would hit for 36, 40, and 44. With only the 70% Frost Spirit active, most of my attacks would hit for 40. With both spirits active, I would mostly hit for 40, hit 44 fairly frequently, and barely hit 36. There is no internal cooldown on the Spirits damage bonus, and they do in fact stack if one spirit is traited and one is not.

I’ll just go record it anyways.

Some people might want a couple screenshots, but I was just kidding about it :P
Any1 know if the ranger board is aware of this?

Oh and next patch: warrior banners traited for range stack with nontraited, gotta keep it all even

Nope, too late. You can have some evidence: http://youtu.be/Gvpg3ExM6m8

:)

But will any1 number crunch or anything to figure out if the 2nd ranger is worth taking with the reduction? 2nd spirit is only another 3.5% multiplier on average.

Kinda like how a 2nd warrior can’t also give you 150 power and 1 warrior could still run fgj/2banners if there isn’t a need for a break stun/endure pain/etc.

Player Character.9467:

But will any1 number crunch or anything to figure out if the 2nd ranger is worth taking with the reduction? 2nd spirit is only another 3.5% multiplier on average.

Kinda like how a 2nd warrior can’t also give you 150 power and 1 warrior could still run fgj/2banners if there isn’t a need for a break stun/endure pain/etc.

I’m almost wondering, but you would probably be missing out on too many might stacks at that point. I’d be interested in the numbers too, though. Synesthesia hinders my math skillz so I’m not too comfortable doing calculations myself.

What about it stacking if both spirits are traited?

spoj.9672:

What about it stacking if both spirits are traited?

They don’t stack. Same if they are both untraited.

Traited Warrior banners don’t stack either. I tried that too.

So my question is: When all optional professions thrown into the mix (3 wars, 1 guard + X profession) and they are all spec’d/geared for maximum effect, which one falls behind?

Point being, there needs to be some sort of control or comparison to draw any conclusions from what is here.

Essence Snow.3194:

So my question is: When all optional professions thrown into the mix (3 wars, 1 guard + X profession) and they are all spec’d/geared for maximum effect, which one falls behind?

Point being, there needs to be some sort of control or comparison to draw any conclusions from what is here.

Necromancer and probably Engineer.

Single target, dagger necro falls behind? That hasn’t been my impression. His auto sure as hell seems to outdamage my ranger/thief dagger base, maybe with might stacking the scaling is different?

Zenith.7301:

Single target, dagger necro falls behind? That hasn’t been my impression. His auto sure as hell seems to outdamage my ranger/thief dagger base, maybe with might stacking the scaling is different?

What? I’m skeptical about Necro out-damaging a Thief single target. I’d kind of like to see evidence of that. It may be a bigger number than something like a Ranger, but how quickly does it attack when compared?

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Zenith.7301:

Single target, dagger necro falls behind? That hasn’t been my impression. His auto sure as hell seems to outdamage my ranger/thief dagger base, maybe with might stacking the scaling is different?

What? I’m skeptical about Necro out-damaging a Thief single target. I’d kind of like to see evidence of that. It may be a bigger number than something like a Ranger, but how quickly does it attack when compared?

It can be pretty high but im not sure its worth taking due to the lack of team buffs and support necro provides (other than debuffs like weakness, blind and chill). Nike’s build is close enough to the highest dps you can achieve with a necro. I dont have a group to fully test it though in optimum conditions.

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/necromancer/?5.0|8.1g.h1b.g.1g.h2|8.1g.h1b.d.1g.h4|1g.7e.1g.7e.1g.7e.1g.7e.1g.7e.1g.7e|4s.0.2s.0.3s.0.2s.0.3s.0.2s.0|u250.p48.0.0.f6|2e.j|3r.3u.4d.43.4e|e

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Zenith.7301:

Single target, dagger necro falls behind? That hasn’t been my impression. His auto sure as hell seems to outdamage my ranger/thief dagger base, maybe with might stacking the scaling is different?

What? I’m skeptical about Necro out-damaging a Thief single target. I’d kind of like to see evidence of that. It may be a bigger number than something like a Ranger, but how quickly does it attack when compared?

I didn’t say it was higher than thief single target. I said the necro dagger auto is higher than the thief dagger auto and the ranger sword auto. On my necro on the 3rd part of the chain in berserker I can get 4-5k crits without much in the way of might.

Zenith.7301:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Zenith.7301:

Single target, dagger necro falls behind? That hasn’t been my impression. His auto sure as hell seems to outdamage my ranger/thief dagger base, maybe with might stacking the scaling is different?

What? I’m skeptical about Necro out-damaging a Thief single target. I’d kind of like to see evidence of that. It may be a bigger number than something like a Ranger, but how quickly does it attack when compared?

I didn’t say it was higher than thief single target. I said the necro dagger auto is higher than the thief dagger auto and the ranger sword auto. On my necro on the 3rd part of the chain in berserker I can get 4-5k crits without much in the way of might.

But does it attack as quickly as a Ranger? and are you factoring in Hunter’s Call and the pet attacking too?

Also the party buffs a ranger can bring.

Necro has locust swarm while auto attacking. Think the auto attack is faster than ranger but the damage is shifted to the end of the chain.

In an ideal world every profession would bring a unique, non stackable, invaluable party buff. As it stands Warriors have banners and Empower Allies, Mesmers have Time Warp (reflect projectiles, mob positioning), Guardians have Aegis (reflect projectiles, healing, protection and stability). Other classes can bring other things to the table, such as stealth, but they’re just not as valuable compared to the trinity. TBH Spotter is a step in the right direction, all that class needs is a bit of tweaking and people will always want one just for that buff (What is like +7/8% crit chance?)

Having said that, I’m no where near as savvy with other professions as I am with Warrior, do other classes have those party wide buffs like Empower Allies and Spotter?

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Zenith.7301:

Single target, dagger necro falls behind? That hasn’t been my impression. His auto sure as hell seems to outdamage my ranger/thief dagger base, maybe with might stacking the scaling is different?

What? I’m skeptical about Necro out-damaging a Thief single target. I’d kind of like to see evidence of that. It may be a bigger number than something like a Ranger, but how quickly does it attack when compared?

It’s the same attack speed as the thief and does the same damage full rotation as thief daggers do. The thief has to spec into a lot more + damage traits to get the same damage but they also have access to more. Thieves also have cnd+backstab to increase the dps significantly. It’s just the auto attacks that the necro CAN out shine the thief if the thief isn’t traited for it. Thieves also get 4s poison after every full auto rotation whereas necros just get life force.

randomfightfan.4091:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Zenith.7301:

Single target, dagger necro falls behind? That hasn’t been my impression. His auto sure as hell seems to outdamage my ranger/thief dagger base, maybe with might stacking the scaling is different?

What? I’m skeptical about Necro out-damaging a Thief single target. I’d kind of like to see evidence of that. It may be a bigger number than something like a Ranger, but how quickly does it attack when compared?

It’s the same attack speed as the thief and does the same damage full rotation as thief daggers do. The thief has to spec into a lot more + damage traits to get the same damage but they also have access to more. Thieves also have cnd+backstab to increase the dps significantly. It’s just the auto attacks that the necro CAN out shine the thief if the thief isn’t traited for it. Thieves also get 4s poison after every full auto rotation whereas necros just get life force.

It sounds like the potential is there for it, then. I guess it comes down to a lack of group utility for the Necro.

Problem I have with necro is lack of AOE. If I’m going power dagger build what am I going to use as secondary weapon? staff for AOE? or spend 3 utility slot on well?

Maybe someone can shine the light, because I want to go power necro, but end up going hybrid because power necro just dont’ have the aoe power.

laokoko.7403:

Problem I have with necro is lack of AOE. If I’m going power dagger build what am I going to use as secondary weapon? staff for AOE? or spend 3 utility slot on well?

Maybe someone can shine the light, because I want to go power necro, but end up going hybrid because power necro just dont’ have the aoe power.

I can say for at least in the case of CoE, most of it’s single target. If you’re after at least farming that dungeon, aoe’s no concern :P

Necros can do some nice things, it’s always funny to sit in condition conversion on the grawl fractal boss, the hot ground suddenly procs aegis :P but ya, there’s better fits for min/max groups.

What happened? Why are we suddenly discussing the potential for all classes instead of just bashing everything that isn’t a warrior? I’m not sure what to think, this is too crazy.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

randomfightfan.4091:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Zenith.7301:

Single target, dagger necro falls behind? That hasn’t been my impression. His auto sure as hell seems to outdamage my ranger/thief dagger base, maybe with might stacking the scaling is different?

What? I’m skeptical about Necro out-damaging a Thief single target. I’d kind of like to see evidence of that. It may be a bigger number than something like a Ranger, but how quickly does it attack when compared?

It’s the same attack speed as the thief and does the same damage full rotation as thief daggers do. The thief has to spec into a lot more + damage traits to get the same damage but they also have access to more. Thieves also have cnd+backstab to increase the dps significantly. It’s just the auto attacks that the necro CAN out shine the thief if the thief isn’t traited for it. Thieves also get 4s poison after every full auto rotation whereas necros just get life force.

It sounds like the potential is there for it, then. I guess it comes down to a lack of group utility for the Necro.

I am working on finding a legitimate use for necromancer but honestly I am having trouble. A 30/25/0/0/15 dagger necro clocks at around 9k DPS, same as a ranger including pet, but without the added utility of Spotter and Frost Spirit and everything else the ranger brings. Thieves are definitely higher DPS. The one thing I have found is that if you go something like 0/25/0/15/30 Deathshroudway you can take the +50% crit chance in Death Shroud trait and go full kitten on defensive stats (i.e. full Valkyrie gear) and still have 100% crit chance with all the other stuff stacked on you, so you don’t need zerker and can be an OMG ANCHOR SO GOOD STRIFE DA GOD etc. Your DPS in those cases clocks at around 7k so you’ll probably still outperform Strife’s “1000s of hours” cookie-cutter AH guardian build in DPS. Seriously, though, don’t try to tank, that’s stupid.

Oh, and Guang right about everything again, what a surprise. What happened to RANGER DPS kitten WARRIORS WAY BETTER GIB ARAH 7 MIN SOLO SPEED CLEAR OR GTFO, eh? Now we’re pretending we knew rangers were good all along? What a TWEEST.

Sorry, it’s late at night and I’m a bit out of it from too much studying.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

randomfightfan.4091:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Zenith.7301:

Single target, dagger necro falls behind? That hasn’t been my impression. His auto sure as hell seems to outdamage my ranger/thief dagger base, maybe with might stacking the scaling is different?

What? I’m skeptical about Necro out-damaging a Thief single target. I’d kind of like to see evidence of that. It may be a bigger number than something like a Ranger, but how quickly does it attack when compared?

It’s the same attack speed as the thief and does the same damage full rotation as thief daggers do. The thief has to spec into a lot more + damage traits to get the same damage but they also have access to more. Thieves also have cnd+backstab to increase the dps significantly. It’s just the auto attacks that the necro CAN out shine the thief if the thief isn’t traited for it. Thieves also get 4s poison after every full auto rotation whereas necros just get life force.

It sounds like the potential is there for it, then. I guess it comes down to a lack of group utility for the Necro.

I am working on finding a legitimate use for necromancer but honestly I am having trouble. A 30/25/0/0/15 dagger necro clocks at around 9k DPS, same as a ranger including pet, but without the added utility of Spotter and Frost Spirit and everything else the ranger brings. Thieves are definitely higher DPS. The one thing I have found is that if you go something like 0/25/0/15/30 Deathshroudway you can take the +50% crit chance in Death Shroud trait and go full kitten on defensive stats (i.e. full Valkyrie gear) and still have 100% crit chance with all the other stuff stacked on you, so you don’t need zerker and can be an OMG ANCHOR SO GOOD STRIFE DA GOD etc. Your DPS in those cases clocks at around 7k so you’ll probably still outperform Strife’s “1000s of hours” cookie-cutter AH guardian build in DPS. Seriously, though, don’t try to tank, that’s stupid.

Oh, and Guang right about everything again, what a surprise. What happened to RANGER DPS kitten WARRIORS WAY BETTER GIB ARAH 7 MIN SOLO SPEED CLEAR OR GTFO, eh? Now we’re pretending we knew rangers were good all along? What a TWEEST.

Sorry, it’s late at night and I’m a bit out of it from too much studying.

Maybe more than studying, but your anger is righteous.

laokoko.7403:

Problem I have with necro is lack of AOE. If I’m going power dagger build what am I going to use as secondary weapon? staff for AOE? or spend 3 utility slot on well?

Maybe someone can shine the light, because I want to go power necro, but end up going hybrid because power necro just dont’ have the aoe power.

Necro’s can burst aoe very well in a power spec. It just becomes awkward when you have more trash to clear after the aoe skills are on cooldown. Locust swarm + wells + DS 5 + DS 4. By the time you’re finished channeling your group should of cleared the mobs. The burst aoe is probably the only really satisfying thing a power necro brings to the table. You can take well of corruption if you dont need the might from blood is power, gives some more aoe and damage.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Does it hurt that much to say that Ranger is useful?

“Useful” is for non recreational activities. I’m just a pool attendant that a reef drake summons when it wants to splish splash & take a bath. Infact you might be a Guardian’s pet and not even know it :o

…and then Guang showed up, so now there’s a snickers bar in the pool too.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Oh, and Guang right about everything again, what a surprise. What happened to RANGER DPS kitten WARRIORS WAY BETTER GIB ARAH 7 MIN SOLO SPEED CLEAR OR GTFO, eh? Now we’re pretending we knew rangers were good all along? What a TWEEST.

Sorry, it’s late at night and I’m a bit out of it from too much studying.

To be fair, Spotter has only really been worth taking for like 14 days now. And Frost Spirit has always been pretty good, but without Spotter being buffed Frost Spirit alone wasn’t worth the price of admission. Now all things considered it’s viable, don’t be too down on people for taking 10 days to figure out things especially on a class most people haven’t played much.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

randomfightfan.4091:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Zenith.7301:

Single target, dagger necro falls behind? That hasn’t been my impression. His auto sure as hell seems to outdamage my ranger/thief dagger base, maybe with might stacking the scaling is different?

What? I’m skeptical about Necro out-damaging a Thief single target. I’d kind of like to see evidence of that. It may be a bigger number than something like a Ranger, but how quickly does it attack when compared?

It’s the same attack speed as the thief and does the same damage full rotation as thief daggers do. The thief has to spec into a lot more + damage traits to get the same damage but they also have access to more. Thieves also have cnd+backstab to increase the dps significantly. It’s just the auto attacks that the necro CAN out shine the thief if the thief isn’t traited for it. Thieves also get 4s poison after every full auto rotation whereas necros just get life force.

It sounds like the potential is there for it, then. I guess it comes down to a lack of group utility for the Necro.

I am working on finding a legitimate use for necromancer but honestly I am having trouble. A 30/25/0/0/15 dagger necro clocks at around 9k DPS, same as a ranger including pet, but without the added utility of Spotter and Frost Spirit and everything else the ranger brings. Thieves are definitely higher DPS. The one thing I have found is that if you go something like 0/25/0/15/30 Deathshroudway you can take the +50% crit chance in Death Shroud trait and go full kitten on defensive stats (i.e. full Valkyrie gear) and still have 100% crit chance with all the other stuff stacked on you, so you don’t need zerker and can be an OMG ANCHOR SO GOOD STRIFE DA GOD etc. Your DPS in those cases clocks at around 7k so you’ll probably still outperform Strife’s “1000s of hours” cookie-cutter AH guardian build in DPS. Seriously, though, don’t try to tank, that’s stupid.

Oh, and Guang right about everything again, what a surprise. What happened to RANGER DPS kitten WARRIORS WAY BETTER GIB ARAH 7 MIN SOLO SPEED CLEAR OR GTFO, eh? Now we’re pretending we knew rangers were good all along? What a TWEEST.

Sorry, it’s late at night and I’m a bit out of it from too much studying.

Cry more.

In the meantime, since 99% of rangers are absolute trash I’m not going to waste my time taking them on dungeon runs.

The claim that rangers bring more DPS than warriors is still unproven, and will always be, because it’s not true.

colesy.8490:

Cry more.

In the meantime, since 99% of rangers are absolute trash I’m not going to waste my time taking them on dungeon runs.

Most people in this thread probably don’t pug at all.

colesy.8490:

Cry more.

In the meantime, since 99% of rangers are absolute trash I’m not going to waste my time taking them on dungeon runs.

Would it really hurt you that much to accept he was right?

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

colesy.8490:

Cry more.

In the meantime, since 99% of rangers are absolute trash I’m not going to waste my time taking them on dungeon runs.

Would it really hurt you that much to accept he was right?

His claim wasn’t “rangers do comparable DPS to warriors when played near perfectly and they bring 2 unique party-wide buffs so you should consider replacing one and only one warrior with a ranger in your speed clear runs”.

It was “rangers [and engineers, don’t forget that one] do more DPS than warriors”.

Status: Bullkitten.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Oh, and Guang right about everything again, what a surprise. What happened to RANGER DPS kitten WARRIORS WAY BETTER GIB ARAH 7 MIN SOLO SPEED CLEAR OR GTFO, eh? Now we’re pretending we knew rangers were good all along? What a TWEEST.

okay let’s see.
- what did the thread prove that you are right about…. ?
- also, “again” ????
- ranger dps is still lower than warrior’s
- I believe Dub’s challenge still stands (although I do like to see his footage on it as well)
- intentional incorrect spelling won’t help making people take you more seriously

Broadicea.8294:

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

colesy.8490:

Cry more.

In the meantime, since 99% of rangers are absolute trash I’m not going to waste my time taking them on dungeon runs.

Would it really hurt you that much to accept he was right?

His claim wasn’t “rangers do comparable DPS to warriors when played near perfectly and they bring 2 unique party-wide buffs so you should consider replacing one and only one warrior with a ranger in your speed clear runs”.

It was “rangers [and engineers, don’t forget that one] do more DPS than warriors”.

Status: Bullkitten.

His claim was that a Ranger does more DPS than a Warrior. His team build had one Ranger in it. You’re exaggerating his claim(s) to make them look foolish because you (and others) can’t accept that he had valid points after trolling him.

Brasil and DnT have presented what a Ranger can do, yet you and others continue to ignore it and act like they’re trash with arguments like “oh.. but… PUG rangers aren’t good!”. Look at what’s been presented, stop being blinded by hatred for the class.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Broadicea.8294:

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

colesy.8490:

Cry more.

In the meantime, since 99% of rangers are absolute trash I’m not going to waste my time taking them on dungeon runs.

Would it really hurt you that much to accept he was right?

His claim wasn’t “rangers do comparable DPS to warriors when played near perfectly and they bring 2 unique party-wide buffs so you should consider replacing one and only one warrior with a ranger in your speed clear runs”.

It was “rangers [and engineers, don’t forget that one] do more DPS than warriors”.

Status: Bullkitten.

His claim was that a Ranger does more DPS than a Warrior. His team build had one Ranger in it. You’re exaggerating his claim(s) to make them look foolish because you (and others) can’t accept that he had valid points after trolling him.

Brasil and DnT have presented what a Ranger can do, yet you and others continue to ignore it and act like they’re trash with arguments like “oh.. but… PUG rangers aren’t good!”. Look at what’s been presented, stop being blinded by hatred for the class.

I have not completely read the thread yet, but did he prove rangers do more then warriors? since in the videos i have seen the ranger still does a bit less, unless im missing something. Genuinely curious.

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I have not completely read the thread yet, but did he prove rangers do more then warriors? since in the videos i have seen the ranger still does a bit less, unless im missing something. Genuinely curious.

No, he hasn’t personally proven anything. Brasil and DnT have been the ones providing evidence of a Ranger in practice, and from my understanding they think it’s on-par with a Warrior’s DPS at the least. Whether further testing will show improvements or w/e, who knows. I’m more so pointing out that even after there being proof of Rangers being (arguably) pretty good, people continue to act like Guang didn’t have any valid points and that Rangers are still as trash as people thought they were.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

His claim was that a Ranger does more DPS than a Warrior. His team build had one Ranger in it. You’re exaggerating his claim(s) to make them look foolish because you (and others) can’t accept that he had valid points after trolling him.

Brasil and DnT have presented what a Ranger can do, yet you and others continue to ignore it and act like they’re trash with arguments like “oh.. but… PUG rangers aren’t good!”. Look at what’s been presented, stop being blinded by hatred for the class.

You should re-read the thread and my posts. I’ve admitted that Rangers aren’t as deficient in the damage category as I thought, and I believe it’s possible to improve a M/G/3W team’s speedrun time by swapping one warrior for one ranger.

The claims of “Ranger DPS > Warrior DPS” so far have yet to be proven with empirical evidence, and the only supporter of this claim has only Excel Wars 2 data.

If Rangers have better DPS than warriors than a full ranger group will be faster than a full warrior group. This is demonstrably not the case.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

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I have not completely read the thread yet, but did he prove rangers do more then warriors? since in the videos i have seen the ranger still does a bit less, unless im missing something. Genuinely curious.

No, he hasn’t personally proven anything. Brasil and DnT have been the ones providing evidence of a Ranger in practice, and from my understanding they think it’s on-par with a Warrior’s DPS at the least. Whether further testing will show improvements or w/e, who knows. I’m more so pointing out that even after there being proof of Rangers being (arguably) pretty good, people continue to act like Guang didn’t have any valid points and that Rangers are still as trash as people thought they were.

Alright, i looked at brazils vet giant kills on his ranger and from my really rough counts (youtube player estimates lol) it looked like 18sec kills, my axe warrior is around 18 aswell, but i need to dodge the KD. So warr is still a BIT higher from these very rough observations that should nto be taken as fact >_>.

EDIT: this is personal DPS, didnt take into account the frost spirit it can provide and spotter to add to team DPS

Broadicea.8294:

If Rangers have better DPS than warriors than a full ranger group will be faster than a full warrior group. This is demonstrably not the case.

You’re once again exaggerating or over-simplifying points. There are factors and conditions which will result in “X > Y” DPS, and this has been evident even without Rangers. LH ele’s potential DPS is higher than that of a Warriors. If you stack 5 LH ele’s together, you’re going to have a bad time, where as five Warriors will do quite well. That’s the entire idea of a team composition, to compliment strengths that certain classes have and to achieve as much DPS as you can out of a 5 man team. I can understand how you don’t appreciate this, however, since you and colesy seem to strictly do PUG runs.

@Winston My claim isn’t that “Brasil has proved that Rangers > Warriors”. My claim is that he(they) proved that Ranger’s aren’t as trash tier as was once believed.