Guild Wars 2

thiese 2 stole my path. I dont know what to do, I finally killed all bosses and hope that A-Net removes them..:(

you can report them by submitting support ticket with the screenshot provided, probably nothings happens to the stealers because this is the way anet does

remove screenshot from the forum because its against TOS and you will be banned

So let me get this right, finally get thiese stealers, they get full party and steal my dungeon…….suddenly I have to remove the screenshots or get banned? LOL…..

How do I submit a ticket btw?

You won’t get banned, you’ll get an infraction. And they’ll walk away without so much as even a slap on the wrist. great system they have set up here.

The sad thing about it is that I got into my dungeon right after…..told them that it was my path they stole, people didnt react when they threw me out again

Actually haven’t seen much complaint about this lately, have the kick changes helped?

@OP, these are always he said/he said kinds of things, which is why Anet almost never takes action.

LOL YOU RUN A DUNGEON PATH AND TRY TO SELL IT TO OTHERS AND MAKE A PROFIT OFF LAZY INDIVIDUALS AND GET REKT AND NOW COMPLAIN

This has been a thing for a while, after they removed dungeon ownership.

yea before people just joined kicked the seller for no reason and made no profit on it

IEximius.9204:

LOL YOU RUN A DUNGEON PATH AND TRY TO SELL IT TO OTHERS AND MAKE A PROFIT OFF LAZY INDIVIDUALS AND GET REKT AND NOW COMPLAIN

I work hard to complete that dungeon, it is not easy nor is it anywhere near lazy individuals, it is normally people who have either changed servers with a new account and dont want to repeat same process or high levels that are very close and just need a few more tokens………

And you want to bring the lazy card out? The whole game game society stands BESIDE a dragon to not do anything but press 1(Could be said about any boss but teq, even though it is the same process run back and forth)……They repeat the easy process of every dungeon, skip paths, 1 shot lupi…..And you want to talk about something that actually takes skill in the game as actually doing a whole path…..LOOOL…….

In conclusion, selling paths is normal for old players that dont want to repeat same process since they probably already have done it, or else it is simply stupid to use all the money you have for something that you dont even get something good from……This is probably the least “lazy” thing in the game…..

(By very hard, I mean 30+ minutes, this is the hardest thing I have seen in the game, I have played for 2 years been top 200-300 pvp playing structured WvW, gained every ascended without buying a single gem to transfer into gold……Get your priorities right…)

No, no. Such a poorly written post does not deserve a reply, let alone four paragraphs.

IEximius.9204:

LOL YOU RUN A DUNGEON PATH AND TRY TO SELL IT TO OTHERS AND MAKE A PROFIT OFF LAZY INDIVIDUALS AND GET REKT AND NOW COMPLAIN

Looks like you are to lazy to turn of your Caps Lock.

Dude’s trolling you guys.

That being said, there’s a point there. WE only hear one side of the story, and a massively undetailed part of that story too.

I didn’t see the screen, so we don’t even know if he was selling. Still, the situation seems a bit weird if we get right down to it, generally people don’t kick for no reason (even trolling sellers is a reason).

In short:

If he was selling paths he’s on his own, Anet is very clear on that.

If he wasn’t selling what led to the other folks kicking him?

Windsagio.1340:

Dude’s trolling you guys.

That being said, there’s a point there. WE only hear one side of the story, and a massively undetailed part of that story too.

I didn’t see the screen, so we don’t even know if he was selling. Still, the situation seems a bit weird if we get right down to it, generally people don’t kick for no reason (even trolling sellers is a reason).

In short:

If he was selling paths he’s on his own, Anet is very clear on that.

If he wasn’t selling what led to the other folks kicking him?

My pictures showed pretty clearly that I was at the end with my thief selling welcoming them both and got kicked out in less than 2 minutes after they both got in……I can not show the pictures anymore but I guess everyone else have seen them.

(Thiese 2 induviduals have been doing it for a very long time and A-Net havent done anything to them….GUesss more people will report me for showing the pictures so wont……)

If you’re selling then that’s the end of the discussion. Arenanet has all but said that they don’t intervene on the behalf of path-sellers..

Windsagio.1340:

If you’re selling then that’s the end of the discussion. Arenanet has all but said that they don’t intervene on the behalf of path-sellers..

So let me get this right…. based on a clear scam which violate the in-game policies, they dont interviene in it? Like let it be another point of a game they do not take any responsebillity for and say that they dont want to do anything about it even though having full control over the game ?

8. PROHIBITED AND IRREPARABLY HARMFUL ACTIVITIES CONCERNING NCSOFT

You acknowledge that You may not, without signed written consent from a legally authorized representative of NCSOFT, do any of the following:

d) Use, or provide others with, any “hack,” “cheat,” “exploit” or “mod”;

Lol, if that is true, then I find A-Net evolved from a good company to a childish company that does not take care of their game and even when violated to a legally point of view…..Even if they said that this is not their responsibility (Which they can NOT say), they still should do something about this.

This is a service provided to me, I got violated by another player which have done this SOOO many times to so many people, they do have to do something, kinda sad that I am to lazy/out of money to legally respond to this since I do find A-Net to be a great company, but get something like this figured out A-Net……..

Besides, sorry but I do not believe your statement, can I get a website if they really did make a statement which would involved in throwing out responsibility in their own game?

zengara.8301:

Besides, sorry but I do not believe your statement, can I get a website if they really did make a statement which would involved in throwing out responsibility in their own game?

Now finding the post with the statement they are talking about is going to take a lot of digging, so instead, I shall mention what I do remember of the statement. What was said was basically this: They will not make a special case for path sellers, they do not support path selling, but to still report any instance destroying/stealing. If the reported person is a repeat offender, actions will be taken.

Or something along those lines.

Delmain.5167:

zengara.8301:

Besides, sorry but I do not believe your statement, can I get a website if they really did make a statement which would involved in throwing out responsibility in their own game?

Now finding the post with the statement they are talking about is going to take a lot of digging, so instead, I shall mention what I do remember of the statement. What was said was basically this: They will not make a special case for path sellers, they do not support path selling, but to still report any instance destroying/stealing. If the reported person is a repeat offender, actions will be taken.

Or something along those lines.

well as long as they did not say straight out say “that they don’t intervene on the behalf of path-sellers..”

This happened to me back in the day. I also posted it on the forum and this 1 guy said ‘welcome to the club’. It didn’t really help but hey….

Windsagio.1340:

If you’re selling then that’s the end of the discussion. Arenanet has all but said that they don’t intervene on the behalf of path-sellers..

This is a lie.
They’ve said they don’t suport path selling however path stealing or happy kicks still can be reported.

However don’t count on any consequences here. I know at least 3 constant path stealers that run around in LA laughing at faces of cheated players.

#justarenanetthings

Okay brev, lemme help ya out.

1) You can report them ingame. Nothing will happen.

2) You can submit a report ticket about being griefed in your run. There’s a 99.9% chance they’ll send you the automated “we’re looking into WvW griefing” answer.

3) You can try to send a message to our Lord and Saviour Chris Cleary, because he does take action against dem griefers yo.

4) You can check my YT channel (in my signature normally) to find a video about me getting revenge on griefers and popcorn on the comments

Hace a nice day bruh.

Enaretos.8079:

Okay brev, lemme help ya out.

1) You can report them ingame. Nothing will happen.

2) You can submit a report ticket about being griefed in your run. There’s a 99.9% chance they’ll send you the automated “we’re looking into WvW griefing” answer.

3) You can try to send a message to our Lord and Saviour Chris Cleary, because he does take action against dem griefers yo.

4) You can check my YT channel (in my signature normally) to find a video about me getting revenge on griefers and popcorn on the comments

Hace a nice day bruh.

thank you very much, saw your video, was a great way to serve justice :P

1) Chris Cleary, like Enaretos said, has previously claimed to have dealt with griefers. He’s your best bet, although I’m not sure how reliable anything is.

2) The only real way to avoid this is to use friends or alt accounts to get up to 3 people in the party. Sell the two remaining spots, get their money, then kick your placeholders and sell two more spots.

zengara.8301:

Windsagio.1340:

If you’re selling then that’s the end of the discussion. Arenanet has all but said that they don’t intervene on the behalf of path-sellers..

So let me get this right…. based on a clear scam which violate the in-game policies, they dont interviene in it? Like let it be another point of a game they do not take any responsebillity for and say that they dont want to do anything about it even though having full control over the game ?

8. PROHIBITED AND IRREPARABLY HARMFUL ACTIVITIES CONCERNING NCSOFT

You acknowledge that You may not, without signed written consent from a legally authorized representative of NCSOFT, do any of the following:

d) Use, or provide others with, any “hack,” “cheat,” “exploit” or “mod”;

throwing out responsibility in their own game?

The problem with your argument is what the two players did is not actually conflicting with the terms of service. An in game scam just by kicking another player does not count as a hack, cheat, exploit, or mod. Interactions between players that do not move outside the legally binding terms of service are not ANETs responsibility. If you got scammed, like others have said report them and move on, and when you try to sell a dungeon I advise using friends/guildies to hold 2 spots so this kind of thing doesn’t happen.

IrishPotato.6327:

zengara.8301:

Windsagio.1340:

If you’re selling then that’s the end of the discussion. Arenanet has all but said that they don’t intervene on the behalf of path-sellers..

So let me get this right…. based on a clear scam which violate the in-game policies, they dont interviene in it? Like let it be another point of a game they do not take any responsebillity for and say that they dont want to do anything about it even though having full control over the game ?

8. PROHIBITED AND IRREPARABLY HARMFUL ACTIVITIES CONCERNING NCSOFT

You acknowledge that You may not, without signed written consent from a legally authorized representative of NCSOFT, do any of the following:

d) Use, or provide others with, any “hack,” “cheat,” “exploit” or “mod”;

throwing out responsibility in their own game?

The problem with your argument is what the two players did is not actually conflicting with the terms of service. An in game scam just by kicking another player does not count as a hack, cheat, exploit, or mod. Interactions between players that do not move outside the legally binding terms of service are not ANETs responsibility. If you got scammed, like others have said report them and move on, and when you try to sell a dungeon I advise using friends/guildies to hold 2 spots so this kind of thing doesn’t happen.

You are wrong, my argument stands, they have cheated in the game….they have scammed by throwing the owner out of the sole purpose of gaining the gold he have earned….which I dont get and besides all this.

The following will result in either a temporary account suspension or permanent account termination, depending upon the severity of the matter:

Taking advantage of another player (“scamming”) in order to take his/her items or account.

And in your second statement….you are wrong again, this is a service provided by A-Net, not a product(which is a HUGE difference)……They have to comply with the consumer, and if the consumer is violated in anyway that breach the rules of conduct, the company in charge need to react.

segman.3560:

Windsagio.1340:

If you’re selling then that’s the end of the discussion. Arenanet has all but said that they don’t intervene on the behalf of path-sellers..

This is a lie.
They’ve said they don’t suport path selling however path stealing or happy kicks still can be reported.

However don’t count on any consequences here. I know at least 3 constant path stealers that run around in LA laughing at faces of cheated players.

#justarenanetthings

All but said.

You’re right they’ve never explicitly said they won’t punish people that steal paths, but it’s also reasonably clear how they treat it.

In this specific case, the OP made a bad mistake anyways, trying to sell a path when you can’t enforce a kick is honestly poor planning. What was going to happen if they just refused to pay?

In essence my position is this:

You cannot act as if path selling is a protected practice

This means that you have to take every means to protect yourself you can, it’s going to be very hard to convince them to act, and it’s going to take a particularly egregious case of abuse to get their attention.

I want to be careful about ‘blame the victim’, but there were so many ways he was asking for it on this one.

lol @ op citing Code of Conduct in a terrible interpretation in his favor.
When it’s been stated by Anet that you are not allowed to sell anything using the LFG system

Jerus.4350:

You won’t get banned, you’ll get an infraction. And they’ll walk away without so much as even a slap on the wrist. great system they have set up here.

I have seen that in every game I played that has been published by NC Soft. Odd.

Windsagio.1340:

segman.3560:

Windsagio.1340:

If you’re selling then that’s the end of the discussion. Arenanet has all but said that they don’t intervene on the behalf of path-sellers..

This is a lie.
They’ve said they don’t suport path selling however path stealing or happy kicks still can be reported.

However don’t count on any consequences here. I know at least 3 constant path stealers that run around in LA laughing at faces of cheated players.

#justarenanetthings

All but said.

You’re right they’ve never explicitly said they won’t punish people that steal paths, but it’s also reasonably clear how they treat it.

In this specific case, the OP made a bad mistake anyways, trying to sell a path when you can’t enforce a kick is honestly poor planning. What was going to happen if they just refused to pay?

In essence my position is this:

You cannot act as if path selling is a protected practice

This means that you have to take every means to protect yourself you can, it’s going to be very hard to convince them to act, and it’s going to take a particularly egregious case of abuse to get their attention.

I want to be careful about ‘blame the victim’, but there were so many ways he was asking for it on this one.

You are basically lecturing me about to be careful and that selling paths is not a protected practice……..

I was stupid to believe that people would not steal my path, I Completely understand that, but that part have passed on, as you see.. This whole thread is 1 move after that….

That “lecturing” is simply a completely unnecessary comment that tells me “what I should have done”…. We are passed that, now I simply want some kind of justice against these 2 individuals who stole my path. That is the only part that matter, lecturing and explaining what I should have done is simply a waste of text.

Turk.5460:

lol @ op citing Code of Conduct in a terrible interpretation in his favor.
When it’s been stated by Anet that you are not allowed to sell anything using the LFG system

Yes, I am…..I am looking for things legally to support my idea, I could bring up the government’s service rules of conduct as well, but find it unnecessary since most can be explained on the website……

Could you tell me where it does say that I can’t use a lfg system to sell paths, I can not find it?

this new party kick system does not improve anything. in a party of 4, it still takes 2 to kick a person and then follow up with a quick kick on the last person.

HyVent.6072:

this new party kick system does not improve anything. in a party of 4, it still takes 2 to kick a person and then follow up with a quick kick on the last person.

Which is honestly part of my evidence that Anet doesn’t care to protect people doing this. They changed the system that protects the majority of players in a group, not a system that protects any single player regardless of their contribution.

Windsagio.1340:

HyVent.6072:

this new party kick system does not improve anything. in a party of 4, it still takes 2 to kick a person and then follow up with a quick kick on the last person.

Which is honestly part of my evidence that Anet doesn’t care to protect people doing this. They changed the system that protects the majority of players in a group, not a system that protects any single player regardless of their contribution.

This system does not help a majority nor a minority…this system is a change but did nothing what so ever, if 2+ players join any dungeon/party and want to take over, they have the full right to do so, and there are million of posts that does that in every aspect of the game, from something as silly as finishing/stealing paths as removing the other players at end dungeon to make room for party……… This system have to be dynamic.

Instead of harassing anyone who have anything intelligent to say, but a little bit against the current system, try to figure out ways to evolve on a system that have been harassing A LOT of people.

If they changed the party system so that there are more than 1 party system (like when you change color as a commander) and it would show in lfg, then it would be completely defended…….the people who play a normal run can have previous system……the guild/wvw raids runs can have the system we have now, while runs that require a 100% control of the primary controller of the dungeon can have another party(depending on what have been shown most as scam they can add another party system(…..This way no one gets violated, gw2 decreases the scamming in their own game, which makes people happy……I dont know how hard it is to make such a system, but shouldn’t be impossible or amazingly hard, like making a new zone, since it simply changes the owner(s) over the party, and it would do SOO much more good for the game, clearly there will be more trust around it which makes it a lot easier to enjoy than run over…..

i believe a party leader system would be much better and safer overall for both sellers and runners. right now there is still griefing without consequences even with a so called majority votekick system. party chat log shouldnt be wiped after being kicked as well. it should tell who votekicks, joins, and leaves even after being kicked. there is no logic in wiping the party chat after being booted.

HyVent.6072:

i believe a party leader system would be much better and safer overall for both sellers and runners. right now there is still griefing without consequences even with a so called majority votekick system. party chat log shouldnt be wiped after being kicked as well. it should tell who votekicks, joins, and leaves even after being kicked. there is no logic in wiping the party chat after being booted.

I wrote a bit to fast, did not understand my own message :P, but I tried to suggest a party system where there are multiple systems and they each have a different color…like:

Purple: Majority Vote Kick with timer to react, instead of this click spam.
(Can be used for normal dungeon runs, so no fast votekicks).

Blue: majority vote kick (can be used if in a WvW random zerg party, and in need of a fast easy way to change person).

Green: Owner can kicked out, but dungeon lost. (Can be used for guild runs, so people don’t kick guilds).

Red: Owner can not be kicked at all. (Can be used for selling dungeons, guild runs, fractal, or any other game that require a somewhat huge credibility of random people).

This way there would be no way of scamming people of their own dungeon

It takes a majority now you silly goose, they changed it.

And they had an instance owner system it was abused just as much (run > kick > sell) and also led to accidental problems like leaders crashing or raging out or whatever.

The owner system is many times worse.

Windsagio.1340:

It takes a majority now you silly goose, they changed it.

And they had an instance owner system it was abused just as much (run > kick > sell) and also led to accidental problems like leaders crashing or raging out or whatever.

The owner system is many times worse.

The owner system, is alot better, the owner system means that the original owner owns the party, which means that person can not be kicked without rest of party being kicked as well…….I simply cant see how that it worse, while in the previous party you could only be able to complete dungeon and kick to thereafter sell (which I honestly have not seen yet, since it would require him going against 4 people and not one), in this you not only can do that, but you have variations, like for example remove the whole party without having any repercussions, or get into the party at the very end, as it happend with me.

Which is why I think that a dynamic party system would be alot better, this way there are alot of variations based on what you do, exactly what an MMO like gw2 needs.

The owner system prevented some griefing and instance theft. Although it did allow some people to abuse power. But not completely. If you kicked the last person in the instance you would be removed aswell (they had to leave of their own will).

Ever since ownership disappeared we have seen a rise in griefing. So to say the ownership system was bad is a bit onesided. It had its problems. Mainly with pugs where people had to leave prematurely. But it prevented excessive griefing because there wasnt anything in it for the griefer.

No, we might have seen a rise in griefing against path sellers. There are whole categories of abuse that are removed now… And I know it’s been a while, but there were plenty of complaints about it back then.

There are a lot more protections for a lot more people under the newer system, especially now that it takes 3 to kick in a 5man.

Griefing a path seller was always easier. However I can see people complaining being kicked from normal dungeon runs even though it was their instance. Party ownership system is a must, now we have anarchy.

segman.3560:

Griefing a path seller was always easier. However I can see people complaining being kicked from normal dungeon runs even though it was their instance. Party ownership system is a must, now we have anarchy.

Well not really, no.

Griefing a path seller who was instance owner was essentially impossible under the original system. What was possible was 2 people inviting pugs, running to the end, kicking the pugs, and selling the path.

The second system made this at least more equal, because any 2 players could kick anyone. It had the unfortunate side-effect that you could truly ‘steal’ a path from someone — but it was still better than the prior system. There was a certain sense of mutually assured destruction.

The newest version, which requires 3 votes to kick in a full party makes stealing pretty kitten hard, with the exception that you can still get nailed before the party is full by a 2 vote.

The point still holds though, the only situations where the old instance owner system was advantageous are for people doing solo/duo→sell and (as in an anecdotal story westhoptu (sp) brought up) people doing solo-for-fun → free instance. And the latter isn’t exactly common.

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More to the point, these shenanigans focus around one particular mode of behavior, and it’s a behavior that Arenanet, while not explicitly banning, certainly doesnt’ support. They’re not going to adjust the system to help the people doing that at the cost of everyone else.

Before the majority of people griefed were sellers. Now it happens to regular players and sellers. And theres an increase in both areas. And thats simply because the griefer can steal your instance. Essentially profiting from griefing.

And that’s the kicker and why I hate the current system. At least the old one it had to be YOUR instance to profit from LFG abuse, now you can just steal them flat out. Profiting from griefing, I’ve literally never seen such a terrible system in 16 years of gaming. I’d rather have an abusive leader than have a system where anyone can just jump in and steal your work. At least with a leader you know who it was, you could have a reddit post for blacklisting (yes something you can’t do here) these pricks. But now, if you complain about it, the reddit community would just flame you as elitist scumbags and “you deserve it”. God, this community is kittening trash.

Jerus.4350:

And that’s the kicker and why I hate the current system. At least the old one it had to be YOUR instance to profit from LFG abuse, now you can just steal them flat out. Profiting from griefing, I’ve literally never seen such a terrible system in 16 years of gaming. I’d rather have an abusive leader than have a system where anyone can just jump in and steal your work.

+100000.

At least with a leader you know who it was, you could have a reddit post for blacklisting (yes something you can’t do here) these pricks. But now, if you complain about it, the reddit community would just flame you as elitist scumbags and “you deserve it”. God, this community is kittening trash.

Weren’t there a few seller guilds a while back? I think they may have kept some blacklists on who griefers were so they could be avoided when their temp bans expired. Might be worth seeing if those are available.

I’m trying to reform my forum persona, but I dunno guys.

I can’t think of a meaningful case of this I’ve sen reported that wasn’t involving a seller. -Well excepting wethospu’s bizarre example he brought up one of the previous times this issue came up.

Windsagio.1340:

I’m trying to reform my forum persona, but I dunno guys.

I can’t think of a meaningful case of this I’ve sen reported that wasn’t involving a seller. -Well excepting wethospu’s bizarre example he brought up one of the previous times this issue came up.

There were a fews posts in this forum and in gen disc from non-sellers getting kicked, but I CBA to dig to find them. They happened in-between the loss of owners and the bump to 3 votes later.

It did happen, although most of the complaints I’ve seen were from sellers. Non-sellers were rare, as it had to be a “perfect storm” — 2+ empty slots in a PUG at the last boss is a rare thing.

There were even a few people reporting that they were giving away slots in their solo instances for free and having them stolen.

smh

So you missed the multiple threads within a few days in this subforum when they first removed ownership? There was also plenty in the general forum. They continued popping up for a couple of weeks. All of them were just regular pugs complaining about getting their instance stolen after trying to replace party members that had to leave due to various reasons.

Eventually it slowed down because for once anet started to crack down a bit on griefers. They kind of had to with the shear amount of them abusing the system right after the change. Faulty systems like this are always abused by players and this was no exception. Things have just settled down a bit (atleast publicly).

#forumbugs4lyfe

spoj.9672:

So you missed the multiple threads a day in this subforum when they first removed ownership? All of them were just regular pugs complaining about getting their instance stolen after trying to replace party members that had to leave due to various reasons. Eventually it slowed down because for once anet started to crack down a bit on griefers. They kind of had to with the shear amount of them abusing the system right after the change. Faulty systems like this are always abused by players and this was no exception. Things have just settled down a bit (atleast publicly).

I do not remember there being nearly as many complaints as there were before the change, no.

We’re also at a further refinement of the change now. The ‘majority’ system works better than the ‘second’ system, which was put in place because of the many many problems of the ‘owner’ system.