Guild Wars 2

eldrin.6471:

ryandeniszorro.6735:

Dropped in to see how discussion goes. Same old elitists and raid sellers zerg on eldrin. If you expect to make any valid conversation here its is not possible. literally if u go from start to end this is what u can read:
I have 150 li its fine.
Ill ask you question. If u imagine person who is sick and can play focused 1-2h per day max , should we disreggard that person to and say , who cares let him grind for year ? Is this “i have none else should” attitude we see here what community of players is ?
Why is there not single one post saying, hey i see u have hard time to do 9 bosses week , if you cant contact me to help im in skilled raid guild and we help players like u?

your very right,before raids players helped each other.raids brought a horrible attitude in to this game.maybe these are not the same people used to play guild wars 2 the game every one said had the best community in all mmos.

You are saying that before raids people help each other??? People helped at things like world events, and they still do. When you say help, its look like being carried. And before raids, or before HoT, the most difficult content was fractal 50. And it was no different than raids, people even selled fractal runs, just like raids.

eldrin.6471:

ryandeniszorro.6735:

Dropped in to see how discussion goes. Same old elitists and raid sellers zerg on eldrin. If you expect to make any valid conversation here its is not possible. literally if u go from start to end this is what u can read:
I have 150 li its fine.
Ill ask you question. If u imagine person who is sick and can play focused 1-2h per day max , should we disreggard that person to and say , who cares let him grind for year ? Is this “i have none else should” attitude we see here what community of players is ?
Why is there not single one post saying, hey i see u have hard time to do 9 bosses week , if you cant contact me to help im in skilled raid guild and we help players like u?

your very right,before raids players helped each other.raids brought a horrible attitude in to this game.maybe these are not the same people used to play guild wars 2 the game every one said had the best community in all mmos.

You’ve got a point, why aren’t the devs balancing the game around players with a crippling disability? I mean, we have to think about those who can’t press any more than 1 or 2 keys at a time.

We should just nerf all the content for these 1 or 2 hour per day sickly gamers. Just make every map…like Queensdale where you the vast majority of enemies are neutral. I mean, we can’t have anything just straight up attack unsuspecting players right?

And these egregious amounts of Veteran monsters? No, those are too difficult for anyone, we need to set a universal standard where any monster is just a normal enemy. Have to be careful though, the complicated AI where a monster might attempt to wind up and breath something like fire is just too devastating. Scaled Drakes are the worst offenders, just remove them from the game!

In fact, all monsters should be just normal Bandits, that autoattack only. They shouldn’t block as that might cause undue stress to the helplessly sick players, that’s just toxic for the game! Also if these mobs last through an entire auto-attack rotation where the player has shown their exceptional skill in pressing 1 three times in range of the enemy, that proves the monsters have too much health and should be fixed immediately!

As players and customers, we are entitled to such epic battles with standard bandits across the entirety of Tyria. I believe I speak for everyone who are the actual majority of this game, and anyone who disagrees must be an elitist who wants to ruin Guild Wars 2 forever!

ryandeniszorro.6735:

Why is there not single one post saying, hey i see u have hard time to do 9 bosses week , if you cant contact me to help im in skilled raid guild and we help players like u?

People have said that there are tons of recruitment threads on Reddit and have pointed them over to these treads in order to get a consist group. It is not our job to drag someone through the raid if they’re not willing to put in the effort themselves. Now if they applied then we’d take them and maybe they’d see it is not as hard as they imagine it to be.

OnizukaBR.8537:

eldrin.6471:

ryandeniszorro.6735:

Dropped in to see how discussion goes. Same old elitists and raid sellers zerg on eldrin. If you expect to make any valid conversation here its is not possible. literally if u go from start to end this is what u can read:
I have 150 li its fine.
Ill ask you question. If u imagine person who is sick and can play focused 1-2h per day max , should we disreggard that person to and say , who cares let him grind for year ? Is this “i have none else should” attitude we see here what community of players is ?
Why is there not single one post saying, hey i see u have hard time to do 9 bosses week , if you cant contact me to help im in skilled raid guild and we help players like u?

your very right,before raids players helped each other.raids brought a horrible attitude in to this game.maybe these are not the same people used to play guild wars 2 the game every one said had the best community in all mmos.

You are saying that before raids people help each other??? People helped at things like world events, and they still do. When you say help, its look like being carried. And before raids, or before HoT, the most difficult content was fractal 50. And it was no different than raids, people even selled fractal runs, just like raids.

you cant compare selling a fractal for a few gold to the gold thats being taken for raids.
its on a whole different scale.i spent£3000 on gems changed to gold to buy runs for 150 insights and im not even sure i will have enough,some fold sell last boss wing 3 1900g.
almost price of a legendary weapon for a few minutes work.

ryandeniszorro.6735:

Why is there not single one post saying, hey i see u have hard time to do 9 bosses week , if you cant contact me to help im in skilled raid guild and we help players like u?

https://m.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4pe4jy/can_we_get_a_directory_of_guilds_that_teach_raids/

eldrin.6471:

OnizukaBR.8537:

eldrin.6471:

ryandeniszorro.6735:

Dropped in to see how discussion goes. Same old elitists and raid sellers zerg on eldrin. If you expect to make any valid conversation here its is not possible. literally if u go from start to end this is what u can read:
I have 150 li its fine.
Ill ask you question. If u imagine person who is sick and can play focused 1-2h per day max , should we disreggard that person to and say , who cares let him grind for year ? Is this “i have none else should” attitude we see here what community of players is ?
Why is there not single one post saying, hey i see u have hard time to do 9 bosses week , if you cant contact me to help im in skilled raid guild and we help players like u?

your very right,before raids players helped each other.raids brought a horrible attitude in to this game.maybe these are not the same people used to play guild wars 2 the game every one said had the best community in all mmos.

You are saying that before raids people help each other??? People helped at things like world events, and they still do. When you say help, its look like being carried. And before raids, or before HoT, the most difficult content was fractal 50. And it was no different than raids, people even selled fractal runs, just like raids.

you cant compare selling a fractal for a few gold to the gold thats being taken for raids.
its on a whole different scale.i spent£3000 on gems changed to gold to buy runs for 150 insights and im not even sure i will have enough,some fold sell last boss wing 3 1900g.
that does not compare to fractals.

The cost difference is obvious: one person can carry a fractal or dungeon. For raids, you’re paying for 9 players to 9-man the content. The stakes are higher, the cost is justified.

ryandeniszorro.6735:

Dropped in to see how discussion goes. Same old elitists and raid sellers zerg on eldrin. If you expect to make any valid conversation here its is not possible. literally if u go from start to end this is what u can read:
I have 150 li its fine.
Ill ask you question. If u imagine person who is sick and can play focused 1-2h per day max , should we disreggard that person to and say , who cares let him grind for year ? Is this “i have none else should” attitude we see here what community of players is ?
Why is there not single one post saying, hey i see u have hard time to do 9 bosses week , if you cant contact me to help im in skilled raid guild and we help players like u?

Hey you’re right there is not a single post of people offering to help with raids, there are multiples of them! There was even this thread on reddit not too long ago asking for guilds that did training runs. Based on the OP it looks like 20 or so responded. The idea that no one out there is willing to help is ridiculous.

eldrin.6471:

your very right,before raids players helped each other.raids brought a horrible attitude in to this game.maybe these are not the same people used to play guild wars 2 the game every one said had the best community in all mmos.

I have had literally the exact opposite experience. I knew almost no one in the game until I started raiding. Now I know a lot of cool people all because of raids. You can’t really think everyone with a bad attitude came to play only when raids were released. Come on, you’d have to be wearing the rosiest of rose tinted lenses to really see it that way. I’ve been raged at in dungeons long before HoT was even announced. No one ever offered to teach me anything. The experience of players feeling left out of content is not a new one by any means; the only difference is which content they get left out of.

I’m sorry you’ve had a bad experience with raids but I can’t really empathize because raiding is what got me really invested in this game. I wasn’t even in a guild when raids came out and now I have lots of good friends in the game because I raided with some cool dudes I didn’t know at the time. I suppose on the one hand I shouldn’t even be arguing with you because I also think that the 150 LI requirement is too much (p.s. I already have 150), but I don’t want people reading this thread to get the idea that being in a consistent raid group is some crazy lofty goal or that raiding is a horrible experience for the “average player” (whatever that means) because in my experience that’s completely untrue.

Raids were never catered to the average player.

The average raid player will only get 4-6 bosses a week. The average player that runs around farming AB events probably will never be able to kill VG.

But once again you are on a tangent, that is about as far off topic from LI time gate as you can get without talking about baseball.

You don’t see anyone else complaining about the rest of collection and how to complete it (at least they shouldn’t be) in this topic.

Harddrive.2738:

Raids were never catered to the average player.

The average raid player will only get 4-6 bosses a week. The average player that runs around farming AB events probably will never be able to kill VG.

But once again you are on a tangent, that is about as far off topic from LI time gate as you can get without talking about baseball.

You don’t see anyone else complaining about the rest of collection and how to complete it (at least they shouldn’t be) in this topic.

Their post wasn’t off topic. If raids were never catered to the average player, then you’d expect that the rewards would not be either.

Harddrive.2738:

Raids were never catered to the average player.

The average raid player will only get 4-6 bosses a week. The average player that runs around farming AB events probably will never be able to kill VG.

But once again you are on a tangent, that is about as far off topic from LI time gate as you can get without talking about baseball.

You don’t see anyone else complaining about the rest of collection and how to complete it (at least they shouldn’t be) in this topic.

If the average [raid] player wants to earn the reward in the same time as the dedicated players, they know what to do.

Rephrased for clarity. I already addressed it. Average raider can only do 4-6 bosses per week? Then it’s on them to improve themselves and take the necessary actions to complete 9 bosses per week.

If they don’t want to do it, or can’t due to x, y, or z reason, tough luck.

My post wasn’t off-topic.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Stop thinking it’s easy to get in a raid viable guild, it’s not, not if you play all game modes.

I have to say you’re entirely wrong.

I have 32.6k AP, I play WvW (not as much now)/PvP/Raids and even AB farm. I have 3 bank guilds, 1 small friend guild (~15-20 active) and one AB farming guild. I don’t have a raid guild. I pugged a LOT. I made LFGs, joined LFGs and made friends and then lost some then made some more.

I even made posts on the looking for subforum looking for raiders to join the team and trialled them etc. ALL not in a raid guild.

Instead of complaining about no raid viable guilds recruiting you perhaps consider that you could start a raid team yourself using people you’ve met through pugging which is exactly what I did.

You guys all just complain complain about how hard it is yet when I did it there was no LFG. There was no insight pinging. You just had to try and then find the people who were somewhat decent and keep going. I didn’t kill sabetha for 3 weeks, sloth for 2 weeks because I wasn’t in a big raid guild. Now? I can clear both w1/2 in 70 minutes.

I am even on NA where people say “the players are worse” yet here I am clearing the raids without a raid guild group.

But by all means keep blaming the system, other people, the raid team when the only thing keeping you down is yourself.

Then it’s on them to improve themselves and take the necessary actions to complete 9 bosses per week.

And what magic beans I mean raids can you sell me today to make that happen?

GOOD raid guilds do not grow on tree’s, if everyone that wanted one could get in one, we be happy times and the 4-6 average thing wouldn’t exist in the first place.

Why is making the time gate for the AVERAGE player equal to 4 months so bad?

“Tough luck”. That is very detailed and explains so much.

I’ll say it again, why are you here? You gain nothing by doing so and you certainly aren’t helping either way, I certainly wouldn’t care if they changed it and I had 150 LI. In fact I’d like it because I can spend less and maybe be able to spend the extra on something else.

I think they should raise it to 300 to make it more prestige , just my 2 cents

Ironically enough if they had said 300 from the start, and we asked to change it to 150.

They would have used the exact same arguments, meaning there so called arguments have no reference point except for what anet tells them and there for no point at all.

Just Sour Apples and trolling.

we are oceanic players in EU, our playtime for raids are different and difficult, but we tried very hard to make it. li should not be lowered because those existing players tried hard to get into raids, and they did it not because of luck but tried very hard for some people especially those who have playtime varied or different to the common players in the servers. not only play time, but we have massive lags that we put on and still managed to do it, also thanks to Anet constantly fine tune the game so it is friendly to high ping people… not perfect but playable. we do full clear on Monday and Tuesday with PUGS that gives us 9 li. by the time when the legendary armor comes, everyone should have reasonable li if you start and tried to get yourself into raids now. it is NEVER easy. I have been through it, and nothing is easy.
25 li, you should be laughing your way to get the armor already. if you cant get that… then forget about legendary armor. asc armor is same stat. u can request anet to put the legendary similar armor in TP so u can buy with your credit card.
I request anet to only make this armor special for those who tried very hard in RAIDS. anet can make another legendary armor skin for purely other pve content or pvp or wvwvw. but we need one that craft with only li for those who tried hard in raids.

Harddrive.2738:

Then it’s on them to improve themselves and take the necessary actions to complete 9 bosses per week.

And what magic beans I mean raids can you sell me today to make that happen?

GOOD raid guilds do not grow on tree’s, if everyone that wanted one could get in one, we be happy times and the 4-6 average thing wouldn’t exist in the first place.

Why is making the time gate for the AVERAGE player equal to 4 months so bad?

“Tough luck”. That is very detailed and explains so much.

I’ll say it again, why are you here? You gain nothing by doing so and you certainly aren’t helping either way, I certainly wouldn’t care if they changed it and I had 150 LI. In fact I’d like it because I can spend less and maybe be able to spend the extra on something else.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4pe4jy/can_we_get_a_directory_of_guilds_that_teach_raids/ Take your kittening pick.

Good raiding guilds are actually much more common than you think. I’m in 3 of them myself, and that’s in less than two months of raiding.

I’m here because I don’t want ArenaNet to constantly be catering to the “average” just because they don’t have what it takes to surpass the average. Most players who you would consider “average” raiders have what it takes to be above average with a bit of effort, and can attain 9 bosses per week (that’s called a vote of confidence, just so you know, something which you’re not doing by asking ArenaNet to reduce the LI requirement down to “average” levels).

You referenced Reddit, lets pretend that didn’t happen…..

In no way shape or form does changes to LI make any of the raid bosses easier or harder.

Your whole reason for being here is as I suspected completely selfish in nature. You have created your own little world where the amount of time and effort you have put in has become the golden standard. Anyone that does not go above this average to elite(?), regardless of reason, should be punished.

Welcome to Rashy’s dictatorship of GW2.

I read these forums regularly and it just frustrates me with how much kitten talk there is about raids and legendary armor…
First off, people want the raids to be easier, or have tired difficulty.
Now this? to reduce the legendary insights required for legendary armor? You gotta be kidding right?
Making it require 150 LI’s (25 per piece) is an achievement by itself lol. It means you put in the effort to learn the raid, find groups (pug them regularly) or (have a static group/guild) and most importantly have the dedication to kill 150 raid bosses.
I dont know if its just me, but im just sensing a lot of lazy people on this forum who dont want to put the effort and hours in to actually achieve such a goal. I mean thats what it is right? legendary armor…. L-E-G-E-N-D-A-R-Y. Something that is so remarkable, hard to achieve yet well known, the list goes on. Yet so many you want it with minimal effort, simple as that. (insert excuses here)
The math has been done on this thread, it only takes less then 3 weeks (if you kill all 9 bosses (during) that week) to obtain enough legendary insights for 1 piece of armor.
Are you saying that 3 weeks is too long? Keeping in mind that you have to craft the other major components (that require t6 matts, map currencies, etc).
Its a joke, if you think that 150 LI’s is too much. If you do then you need to take a step back and think out “how long will making this legendary armor ACTUALLY take me even if the LI’s required was reduced?”
On a side note: GL being a raider in other games such as WoW, where theres a gear treadmill and RNG is a major factor lol

Harddrive.2738:

You referenced Reddit, lets pretend that didn’t happen…..

In no way shape or form does changes to LI make any of the raid bosses easier or harder.

Your whole reason for being here is as I suspected completely selfish in nature. You have created your own little world where the amount of time and effort you have put in has become the golden standard. Anyone that does not go above this average to elite(?), regardless of reason, should be punished.

Welcome to Rashy’s dictatorship of GW2.

Or rather, welcome to real life, where things aren’t rainbows and sunshine all the time, and things aren’t handed to you on a silver platter.

Effort is rewarded practically everywhere. It should be the same in-game too. More effort should be rewarded more than less effort.

And oh, the kittening irony: I link to a thread with guilds that do training raids and make every effort to help people get better and what do you do? Completely ignore it. Isn’t that what you wanted? Point average players to the right places where they can gain more experience than pugging the easiest bosses? The second I do that, it’s completely ignored because it’s “reddit”.

It’s no wonder the “average” players remain average.

I’m here because I don’t want ArenaNet to constantly be catering to the “average” just because they don’t have what it takes to surpass the average.

welcome to real life, where things aren’t rainbows and sunshine all the time

I think you answered your own point. We don’t care about your definition of average, its just a silly pipe dream and its got nothing to do with this topic.

The time gate is 4 months best case which is not realistic for most, the only thing I’m saying and I’m sure most would compromise to as well is to make 4 months reasonably obtainable to people that actually play raids weekly to moderate success. It has nothing to do with the rest of the collections or costs.

Its not like we are trying to screw better players, under a faster system they would do faster then 4 months. As the content is not released yet, changing it now can’t possible have a negative impact on anyone.

But by all means, tell us, what have you lost if they where to change the LI system before release of the set? Imaginary loses or wounded pride don’t count…

do some of you folk actually think what your doing needs skill.its a game and your on a keyboard.so some of you can use a keyboard better than others?am i missing something.
maybe some of you use a keyboard for a living and that makes you proficient in its use.
this is a game we use keyboard and mouse to play,what does it matter if your better than me.some of you guys seem to be detached from reality and have egos that seem misplaced.and i thought i had problems.

So you basically just want everything handed to you because reasons. Entitlement much?

LOOOOL the raids might not be that hard but at least I’m not the one paying 2000g / week for some ‘easy’ stuff ayyy lmao

An obtainable 4 month time gate is not unreasonable by any standard and is far from being handed to you.

You’ve spent the last 7 months grinding at raids, deep down wondering when is it going to end?(uncertainty wears at the mind) I have no doubt is was not the funnest experience, which is why when you see people asking for 4 months compared to your 7 months, you feel like your being cheated or they are getting easy times.

Get over it, you’ve lost nothing and you did so of your own choice.

P.S

so some of you can use a keyboard better than others?am i missing something.

Yes, very much so, and yes to the second part as well. But you do have a point, what I said earlier could very easily be replaced with the term “ego”.

No i basically want what the title of the thread is lower LI for Legendary Armor
and paying 2000g a week for what you call easy stuff that i cant access due to disability is of no more relevance than the guys that sell raids coming on the thread to derail the subject just to maintain there profits.we all got our reasons for our opinions.unlike some im honest about mine.

If you pay thousands of gold to buy runs for LI , shouldnt you meet the requirements to easily join a pug? Or are you getting kicked after a few tries?

Nozome.7853:

If you pay thousands of gold to buy runs for LI , shouldnt you meet the requirements to easily join a pug? Or are you getting kicked after a few tries?

No, because the part of the story where they “tried to find a group for hours and hours” is completely fabricated.

Were did i say i spent hours hours trying to find a group?i have said repeatedly the reason i cant raid is disability,Asperger syndrom and bipolar disorder,i also have visual problems due to devics disease.the only person fabricating things is you..
if you think i would be paying (3 months income)£3000 to buy insights if it were possible for me to get them
through playing the game your crazyer than i am.

Maybe raiding isn’t for you.
If I was in the same situation as you , I would stop trying to raid and also I would stop beeing so desperate about the rewards associated with raiding…

Oh would you look at the time….

It’s time for where’s the moderator when you need it. Again.

eldrin.6471:

maybe raiding isnt for a blind guy with mental health problems?you might have something there.like others on the thread im just asking for the number of insights needed to be reduced.

Playing the victim card much?
Sorry to remind you of this, but raid content & legendary armor which are both meant to be hard to complete shouldnt be balanced around people who have disabilities.

im not desperate,i just need to get it

That literally contradicts itself.

Seriously there is content easy enough to be completed even by somebody like with a series of disabilities (if you are not lying which i am not so sure about tbh).
Not every content needs tiers of difficulty so everybody can complete it.

Why do you need it? Is this one of your mental problems?
If yes , I’m so sorry to hear about it. We can maybe start a petition so Anet will send you the Legendary Insights.

guy a few posts above said “No, because the part of the story where they “tried to find a group for hours and hours” is completely fabricated.” i was responding.as i have never tried raiding.and mental health problems dont realy attract sympathy in our society now do they.but you think what you want. i respond and maybe i should not take the bait.
i already spent the money on gems and changed that to gold to buy all the runs to get 150 insights and already have 52. so what is it you think im doing.if not trying to reduce the time gate like every one else wanting the number reduced.and giving a reason when asked why i cant raid.

Just my opinion about people saying things like, “you don’t want it lowered cause you already have 150.”

If I go to college for four years and get my bachelor’s degree, but you show up and decide that four years is too long and too tough, so they need to give you your degree in 3 years. That doesn’t sound very fair to me, but c’est la vie I suppose.

Dinosaurs.8674:

When most people started raiding legendary armor was so far off that no one thought about it. If there had never been legendary armor I don’t think the number of raiders would be much less. Lots of raiders aren’t even going to get the legendary armor, at least for a long time. It’s a sizable gold investment, especially if the skin isn’t very good, and it’s almost identical to an ascended set unless it has some good utility with runes. I actually think it’s funny how much some people think that legendary armor is all that people want with raids, because it’s really just a raid skin that costs 4k+ gold.

On a related note, I’m really wondering how many players out there would actually make the armor sooner if the insight count were lowered, versus those that would still have to wait a long kitten time to farm all the gold. I think the insight count is probably too high just because the rest of the collection takes so much less time, but realistically the gold cost is probably just a difficult/grindy for a lot of people.

I just calculated it and kitten it IS a lot. I should get 150 LI the next week and I’m not sure if I even want to spend that much gold just for materials. The LI seem like nothing compared to that.

Unless of course you do it like some other players and just convert gems to gold. But with that what does a legendary mean? Wow you just bought this legendary for $$$. Grats what an accomplishment.

With the amount of LI you need you know at least that the owner actually PLAYED the game to get the legendary armor.

eldrin.6471:

do some of you folk actually think what your doing needs skill.its a game and your on a keyboard.so some of you can use a keyboard better than others?am i missing something.
maybe some of you use a keyboard for a living and that makes you proficient in its use.
this is a game we use keyboard and mouse to play,what does it matter if your better than me.some of you guys seem to be detached from reality and have egos that seem misplaced.and i thought i had problems.

You’ve lost the right to talk about skill when you buy all of your kills.

ChanxThexMan.1078:

Just my opinion about people saying things like, “you don’t want it lowered cause you already have 150.”

If I go to college for four years and get my bachelor’s degree, but you show up and decide that four years is too long and too tough, so they need to give you your degree in 3 years. That doesn’t sound very fair to me, but c’est la vie I suppose.

No, the cost and reward was known before anyone started when talking about college and stuff.

Whats happened here is like:

Its akin to showing up to classes for 4 years wondering how long is required only to find out you only need 3, sucks to be you.

Harddrive.2738:

ChanxThexMan.1078:

Just my opinion about people saying things like, “you don’t want it lowered cause you already have 150.”

If I go to college for four years and get my bachelor’s degree, but you show up and decide that four years is too long and too tough, so they need to give you your degree in 3 years. That doesn’t sound very fair to me, but c’est la vie I suppose.

No, the cost and reward was known before anyone started when talking about college and stuff.

Whats happened here is like:

Its akin to showing up to classes for 4 years wondering how long is required only to find out you only need 3, sucks to be you.

Wrong, what you are describing is more like:

*imagine a typical Holywood college,

The rich kid is going to college, refusing to study and relying on his daddy to solve all the issues. He also believes that even though he did little to nothing, he deserves to finish college in 3 years instead of 4 because , reasons…

edit: Speaking of college, I came up with a great example, based on real events:

I’m working on a degree in Electrical engineering, which normally takes 4-4.5 years.
I’m also a pretty lazy person & I play GW2 too much, so, some of my grades are not sufficient, therefore it will probably take me 5-5.5 years to finish.
I really want / need to finish in 4 years, so now I have two options:
1. I put more effort into studying and fix my grades.
2. I go to my university’s Staff and complain on the degree being too hard, asking them to lower the number of courses I need.

Which option sounds more logical?

No…. its really obvious that you grinded raids not having ANY idea what was required.

To conclude that the time YOU put in is the correct amount for EVERYONE is quiet the ASSUMPTION.

It looks really bad if 90% of the class fails, you can bet your bottom dollar that the coarse will be changed and/or bell curved in some way after.

Just to get there you and to prove you where skilled enough to do it, so to assume when most fail with genuine effort, its not a free ride, the system is broken.

There’s a certain irony in taking a position that says a raiding regular who kills bosses on a weekly basis with a group, doesn’t understand all the requirements for going into a raid and killing bosses compared to a raiding pug who has to kill bosses on a weekly basis with a group.

I can’t tell if it’s ego or entitlement that drives that position. There’s a 150 LI requirement for all players, how you go about it is ultimately up to the raider in question. Asking for it to be lowered is obviously not for some ‘Good for all players’ ideal, it’s selfish and reeks of laziness.

Harddrive.2738:

It looks really bad if 90% of the class fails, you can bet your bottom dollar that the coarse will be changed and/or bell curved in some way after.

This is only done in worst case scenarios where a course evaluation is actually unfair and broken. This would only be a close analogy if the majority of average raiders are only getting 1-2 insights per week, which is not the case according to you.

I have seen college courses bell-curve slightly below average grades to make them above average or excellent grades (which is basically what you’re asking for here). That’s a disgusting practice that should never be done in University/College.

Rashy.4165:

Harddrive.2738:

It looks really bad if 90% of the class fails, you can bet your bottom dollar that the coarse will be changed and/or bell curved in some way after.

This is only done in worst case scenarios where a course evaluation is actually unfair and broken. This would only be a close analogy if the majority of average raiders are only getting 1-2 insights per week, which is not the case according to you.

I have seen college courses bell-curve slightly below average grades to make them above average or excellent grades (which is basically what you’re asking for here). That’s a disgusting practice that should never be done in University/College.

some professors will just write problems in such a way that the problem would be hard even for themselves on the assumption that students will only pass 10-50% of the testing material and curve it so the class average is a passing grade. its not a worst case scenario, its just the prof lording his ego over you. so you just have to do your best and show him you tried hard and hell take that into account. i hate classes like that, for the record, but theyre there.

insanemaniac.2456:

Rashy.4165:

Harddrive.2738:

It looks really bad if 90% of the class fails, you can bet your bottom dollar that the coarse will be changed and/or bell curved in some way after.

This is only done in worst case scenarios where a course evaluation is actually unfair and broken. This would only be a close analogy if the majority of average raiders are only getting 1-2 insights per week, which is not the case according to you.

I have seen college courses bell-curve slightly below average grades to make them above average or excellent grades (which is basically what you’re asking for here). That’s a disgusting practice that should never be done in University/College.

some professors will just write problems in such a way that the problem would be hard even for themselves on the assumption that students will only pass 10-50% of the testing material and curve it so the class average is a passing grade. its not a worst case scenario, its just the prof lording his ego over you. so you just have to do your best and show him you tried hard and hell take that into account. i hate classes like that, for the record, but theyre there.

The point about it being a “worst case scenario” is that rarely actually happens. The proportion of professors flaunting their ego is small.

Out of 7 years of University and Grad school, I only really had one or two courses that fit that description. For most students, that’s the same proportion.

I don’t even know why your talking about school and whatnot, its barely a compatible comparison, I just went along initially but its getting silly now.

I can’t tell if it’s ego or entitlement that drives that position. There’s a 150 LI requirement for all players, how you go about it is ultimately up to the raider in question. Asking for it to be lowered is obviously not for some ‘Good for all players’ ideal, it’s selfish and reeks of laziness.

For starter 150 is just some number Anet threw out there, because its not released its not binding in any shape or form.

But more to the point I’m not asking to lower its from 150 (others have), I’m saying to ease up on the weekly resets and/or a few other things so that we can complete it in a manner that doesn’t measure in years.

They just released the last wing, setting up the release of the armor. A new wave of players are now starting the collections and seeing how insane the LI requirement is. When they do release the legendary armor a flood gate of people will be complaining and make this 11 page thing a drop in the bucket.

150 is not some arbitrary number anet just threw out there.

It’s really easy to figure out how they came to that number

150 is 25 per piece.
25 per piece is 3 successful complete weeks of raiding.

If you think 25 per piece is some mindblowing feat, then im sorry nothing anyone can say will sway you.

Do you people not read, I never said to lower it from 150……

And just cause its 25×6= 150 doesn’t stop it from being arbitrary.

Cause you know…. 20×6 = 120 or 15×6=90, and 30×6=180 and so on….

Why 25? Cause we we all know that 9×3=27

Harddrive.2738:

I don’t even know why your talking about school and whatnot, its barely a compatible comparison, I just went along initially but its getting silly now.

I can’t tell if it’s ego or entitlement that drives that position. There’s a 150 LI requirement for all players, how you go about it is ultimately up to the raider in question. Asking for it to be lowered is obviously not for some ‘Good for all players’ ideal, it’s selfish and reeks of laziness.

For starter 150 is just some number Anet threw out there, because its not released its not binding in any shape or form.

But more to the point I’m not asking to lower its from 150 (others have), I’m saying to ease up on the weekly resets and/or a few other things so that we can complete it in a manner that doesn’t measure in years.

They just released the last wing, setting up the release of the armor. A new wave of players are now starting the collections and seeing how insane the LI requirement is. When they do release the legendary armor a flood gate of people will be complaining and make this 11 page thing a drop in the bucket.

I am actually thinking about it in a future context. It might be a bit of a ‘future’ meta, but I doubt Forsaken Thicket will be the only Raid that drops Legendary Insights as an item.

Aside from the obvious requirement that those wanting the Envoy Legendary Armor need to kill all the bosses at the very least once to get through the first set of achievements, as people pointed out simply getting 25 insights for a single legendary piece of armor isn’t the worst thing. I would personally have qualms about the entire set being put behind the 150 LI wall, but crafting a piece at a time seems awfully flexible and what I expect of Arenanet.

However, what’s so interesting about how they went about this design, is that with the intent of releasing new raids and Legendary Armor in general, there’s a rather large possibility in my opinion that Legendary Insights will become a currency uniquely earned from killing Raid bosses universally. I say this as the flavor text much like other Legendary Components is very general and non-specific to Forsaken Thicket. Down the line I predict another raid like Forsaken Thicket, allowing for new or veteran raiders to earn even more insights than the 9 locked for the week from Forsaken Thicket.

Furthermore, like myself and many others would attest to, there’s a plausibility where a Non-Raid specific set of Legendary Armor would be able to be earned. Holding true to what Legendary Insights are essentially used for, yet again another non-raid source could be earned here.

There might be a larger intention in mind for the LIs that everyone might neglect to consider, I will say that I do appreciate Arenanet putting the Experimental Collection Requirements for at the very least completing all the wings as a baseline for the Armor. Regardless of my personal feelings about the potential 9 LI per week even for new raiders to have Forsaken Thicket on Farm Status (You really have to measure this as a per piece basis imo), the possibility that they will make LI available elsewhere makes the most sense.

So your upset about raid legendary armor being to easy so you want a massive time gate, but are perfectly fine with non-raid legendary armor (which isn’t even a thing) being a PvE give away.

Let me know when the paradox ends.

Harddrive.2738:

So your upset about raid legendary armor being to easy so you want a massive time gate, but are perfectly fine with non-raid legendary armor (which isn’t even a thing) being a PvE give away.

Let me know when the paradox ends.

That’s not what they’re saying.

If a non-Raid Legendary were to be released, it can be earned through means that aren’t tied to raids, through an analogous collection and a means to earn Legendary insights through non-raid means.

That hinges on Legendary Insights being an item that’s tied to Legendary armour in general, which would be the simplest and most logical thing to do. Increase the sources of LI, while also increasing the number of options for Legendary armour (one unique to Forsaken Thicket, another to the second raid, another to WvW, another to PvP, and general PvE, etc).

Rashy.4165:

insanemaniac.2456:

Rashy.4165:

Harddrive.2738:

It looks really bad if 90% of the class fails, you can bet your bottom dollar that the coarse will be changed and/or bell curved in some way after.

This is only done in worst case scenarios where a course evaluation is actually unfair and broken. This would only be a close analogy if the majority of average raiders are only getting 1-2 insights per week, which is not the case according to you.

I have seen college courses bell-curve slightly below average grades to make them above average or excellent grades (which is basically what you’re asking for here). That’s a disgusting practice that should never be done in University/College.

some professors will just write problems in such a way that the problem would be hard even for themselves on the assumption that students will only pass 10-50% of the testing material and curve it so the class average is a passing grade. its not a worst case scenario, its just the prof lording his ego over you. so you just have to do your best and show him you tried hard and hell take that into account. i hate classes like that, for the record, but theyre there.

The point about it being a “worst case scenario” is that rarely actually happens. The proportion of professors flaunting their ego is small.

Out of 7 years of University and Grad school, I only really had one or two courses that fit that description. For most students, that’s the same proportion.

it wasnt very rare at my schools.

Rashy.4165:

Harddrive.2738:

So your upset about raid legendary armor being to easy so you want a massive time gate, but are perfectly fine with non-raid legendary armor (which isn’t even a thing) being a PvE give away.

Let me know when the paradox ends.

That’s not what they’re saying.

If a non-Raid Legendary were to be released, it can be earned through means that aren’t tied to raids, through an analogous collection and a means to earn Legendary insights through non-raid means.

That hinges on Legendary Insights being an item that’s tied to Legendary armour in general, which would be the simplest and most logical thing to do. Increase the sources of LI, while also increasing the number of options for Legendary armour (one unique to Forsaken Thicket, another to the second raid, another to WvW, another to PvP, and general PvE, etc).

And we have a winner!

It’s great because what this would provide if a non-raid acquisition of LI were created, is another method which those who really dislike killing Matthias more than once could get those LIs elsewhere. With the Envoy Legendary already behind an initial ‘Kill all the Forsaken Thicket Bosses at least once’ collection, if one decided that the Envoy Armor was something they desired, but not wanting to grind the bosses in there on a weekly basis, they could acquire them in a non-raid format or even in future raids that they might enjoy doing!

Would it be so terrible to have something like at least 3 LIs able to earned weekly from an out of raid source? Naturally, this could be very expensive or timely to do so give the factors…