Guild Wars 2

To my surprise I did not find a thread about this, so I created this one.

I am a few days away from completing the second collection for Ad Infinitum and the thought of having to “wait” for another month, because one can only acquire two Fractal Research Pages a day is simply frustrating.

While 90% of each collection can be done without haste in a matter of more or less three days, one then hits this wall in form of an exaggerated 14 days timelock for every single collection.

I had conversations with other players, who currently work on acquiring Ad Infinitum and almost all people I talked to, shared the same opinion on this: it should be possible to earn four Fractal Research Pages per day.

The two additional pages could be rewarded for unlocking all the t1 (initiate) and all the t2 (adept) daily fractals achievements. Together with the two pages from the daily recommended fractal achievements it would then take one week to acquire 28 pages resp. one Fractal Journal instead of two weeks.

I know that the collections for the legendary back item were not released at the same time, but at an interval of a few weeks. I guess that is the reason for this “two pages per day”-timelock.

I don’t see any reason whatsoever, why a dedicated player should not be able to earn four pages per day. Ad Infinitum costs more than enough crafting materials and completing the collections is challenging and fun – so why keeping this ridiculous two-month-timelock which causes nothing else but frustration? One month timelock (4 Fractal Research Pages/day) until the last collection is finished would be more than appropriate.

You do realize the other legendary back piece took a Minimum of 3-4 months to craft correct?

BlaqueFyre.5678:

You do realize the other legendary back piece took a Minimum of 3-4 months to craft correct?

And the PvP-League back item is relevant here because…?

Archon.3987:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

You do realize the other legendary back piece took a Minimum of 3-4 months to craft correct?

And the PvP-League back item is relevant here because…?

Equivalent items should take equivalent time and effort….. just saying

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Equivalent items should take equivalent time and effort….. just saying

How are they equivalent? One is a PvP-item the other one is a PvE-item.
PvP = harder + more challenging than PvE. By your logic all back item skins should be acquired via systems similar to PvP reward tracks like for Fires of Balthazar.

It sounds more like your subtext is: “I had to go through a pointless and frustrating mechanic and I want everyone else to have to go through it too.”

How are they not equivalent? They are both the only legendary backpieces ingame, why should you get one in a shorter time than anyone else because you are impatient?

Archon.3987:

And the PvP-League back item is relevant here because…?

Because ANet wanted to time gate legendary backpieces, and that’s OK.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

How are they not equivalent? They are both the only legendary backpieces ingame, why should you get one in a shorter time than anyone else because you are impatient?

Guess I hit the right spot there, didn’t I?

Now you simply ignore my argument. Therefore this is my last response to you.

The point is – as I described in OP – that the two pages per day are nothing more than a rather pointless timelock, which is a frustrating mechanic and artificially lenghtens the process of completing the collections to two months. It is neither challenging nor fun to do two low level fractals for 56 days. It is a timelock grind and nothing else.

What do you mean by “than anyone else” I did not demand Anet to give me and only me two additional pages a day. What the heck, man?

Don’t be so triggered.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Archon.3987:

And the PvP-League back item is relevant here because…?

Because ANet wanted to time gate legendary backpieces, and that’s OK.

Source?

Archon.3987:

Source?

Looks at the acquisition methods for all 2 of the 2 current legendary backpieces and note the months of unavoidable time gating on both. There’s your proof.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Archon.3987:

Source?

Looks at the acquisition methods for all 2 of the 2 current legendary backpieces and note the months of unavoidable time gating on both. There’s your proof.

Are you actually defending the frustrating, exaggerated time-grind mechanic of the two Fractal Research Pages a day?

Well, this forum hasn’t changed at all. I had similar “funny” discussions about the Fractal weapons RNG system back then and how “great” and “awesome” it was, not to be able to choose a weaponskin.

Guess what – whispering – it was changed since that mechanic was absurd.

OP, as you realize, there is a reason because we didn’t had a complaint post about the scarcity of this particular item before:

No needs.

ANet even added a Fractal Pages sink with the introduction of BLING-9009:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/BLING-9009-thank-you-THANK-YOU

Soon or later you will have enough pages. Then you will have your Legendary Backpice and, after that, if you like the low tiers (as me), or wanna help people (as me), or have a sever case of completer behavior (as me), you will have a ton of those (I have 427 Fractal Pages atm). You could said: You have ton, that is the why you are not complaining… then I will ask you: Why are you the only person complaining about it?

Have fun.

Archon.3987:

Are you actually defending the frustrating, exaggerated time-grind mechanic of the two Fractal Research Pages a day?

Yes, I am, because it is neither frustrating or exaggerated. The entire purpose is to ensure that “you’ve played enough of the content”. I did 2 months of PvP dailies for the Ascension and I did 2 months of Fractals dailies for Ad Infinitum. It was neither frustrating or exaggerated, and felt totally appropriate.

Archon.3987:

Well, this forum hasn’t changed at all. I had similar “funny” discussions about the Fractal weapons RNG system back then and how “great” and “awesome” it was, not to be able to choose a weaponskin.

If you know who I am, you know I advocated strongly for fixing the Fractal Weapons RNG system directly to the developers. I do not think the time-gate on Ad Infinitum is anywhere near the level of the old Fractal Weapons RNG. It’s not like you only have a chance to get a Journal Page or something.

Leon de Damasco.8105:

OP, as you realize, there is a reason because we didn’t had a complaint post about the scarcity of this particular item before:

No needs.

ANet even added a Fractal Pages sink with the introduction of BLING-9009:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/BLING-9009-thank-you-THANK-YOU

Soon or later you will have enough pages. Then you will have your Legendary Backpice and, after that, if you like the low tiers (as me), or wanna help people (as me), or have a sever case of completer behavior (as me), you will have a ton of those (I have 427 Fractal Pages atm). You could said: You have ton, that is the why you are not complaining… then I will ask you: Why are you the only person complaining about it?

Have fun.

Actually I am not the only one. On the forums so far: yes – ingame: no, absolutely not.

You do realise that I did not start this thread for me, since I know that even if Anet ever considers to change anything about it, I will already have Ad Infinitum for months or longer?

You do realise that I made this post because others and I think that this is a rather demotivating, frustrating mechanic and that maybe at some point other players do not have to go through an overly exaggerated timelock mechanic to get their Ad Infinitums?

It is called constructive criticism and feedback – if you disagree, fine – still does not mean that your opinion on this is universal.

anet hasnt changed ascended crafting, mawdrey, ascension, or ad infinitum time gates and has acknowledged and declined to change the envoy armor gates.

they like time gates.

in fact, they like time gates that take an order of magnitude longer than ad infinitum.

is this not the proof you are looking for. theyve had this stance for literally years.

Ever heard of patience being a virtue?

Don’t like that legendary back pieces take about 2 months to make? Fine, don’t make it. You find this in plenty of games where you’re required to do X for Y and it will take Z time to do it all in no matter what you do.

People who fractal all the time have far too many research pages. People who never fractal have too few. Which group should ANet cater to when it balances the requirements for Ad Infinitum and its lesser incarnations?

I’m not against ANet adding another daily (say in T3), but neither do I think it’s something they need to do. It doesn’t take that long to progress each tier and a lot of people take their time collecting the rest of the items needed to complete each tier of the backpack.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

People who fractal all the time have far too many research pages.

Incorrect in my case. I do fractals daily and never get a single page because I only do T4. Now that research pages are actually valuable in that they are needed to buy ascended chests, pages should be awarded for the same fractal in each tier. Even though I could use a couple more pages to be able to buy a chest, no way am I going to go do a T1. Screw that!

Osu.6307:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

People who fractal all the time have far too many research pages.

Incorrect in my case. I do fractals daily and never get a single page because I only do T4. Now that research pages are actually valuable in that they are needed to buy ascended chests, pages should be awarded for the same fractal in each tier. Even though I could use a couple more pages to be able to buy a chest, no way am I going to go do a T1. Screw that!

when you pug a t1 as a player who can regularly pug t4s, you can carry 4 people because its so easy. those 4 people could be noobs or kittens, but, what if they are tomorrows t4 carries?

dont be afraid to give back to the community when you get something out of it.

Osu.6307:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

People who fractal all the time have far too many research pages.

Incorrect in my case. I do fractals daily and never get a single page because I only do T4. Now that research pages are actually valuable in that they are needed to buy ascended chests, pages should be awarded for the same fractal in each tier. Even though I could use a couple more pages to be able to buy a chest, no way am I going to go do a T1. Screw that!

Be glad, all the stuff you can buy for pages is way overpriced