Guild Wars 2

This has probably been posted and discussed to it’s bitter end, but I haven’t read it! I love running dungeons. I love the scenery, teamwork, and most of all the FIGHTING. I start groups for something as simple as CoF Path 1 and look for people that won’t skip content. I am horrified by how many players don’t know how not to skip over content. They don’t know what it’s like to actually play the dungeon instead of running past hordes of enemies to “save time”. Too often in Twilight Arbor will parties skip over the first few waves only to wipe later on. Afterwords they are then trying to run past lot’s of knockdown and frustration that could have been easily avoided. This would not be such a hot topic for me if players did not get personally offended by me wanting to actually play the game and kill a few enemies. Is there any solution for this?

Make own lfg: “Path(x) No skipping”

What they said but also this:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Dungeon-Forum-FAQ/first#post3472015

Another one trying to define a proper way to play for us.

Make your own group.

Cotser.7015:

Make own lfg: “Path(x) No skipping”

robertul, it is players like you that make me cringe. To those that suggested making my own group do you really believe I would be posting here had I not gotten fed up of making group after group only to have them fall apart because some dink decided that skipping is the only way they can play? I can maybe MAYBE get one or two group a month that wont skip, and it usually involves noobs.

I usually take the backroads to work to save myself time in the mornings. It’s a shame because I miss the tedious experience of bumper to bumper traffic.

A solution? Well, you could buy the majority share in Anet or NCSOFT. Then you could change all the rules! We could all have to kill 100 trash mobs just to log in! Imagine the fun!!

Or…or you could chill out, make your own groups, and stop trying to force your idea of fun on others.

MHCerberus.1385:

and it usually involves noobs.

And this is a bad thing … why?

MHCerberus.1385:

robertul, it is players like you that make me cringe. To those that suggested making my own group do you really believe I would be posting here had I not gotten fed up of making group after group only to have them fall apart because some dink decided that skipping is the only way they can play? I can maybe MAYBE get one or two group a month that wont skip, and it usually involves noobs.

Filter better.
But i’m curious. Why don’t you want to skip?

Quoting from a chat once, “sorry, forgot about my utilities”. Also I am unable to see any responses to my previous posting regarding this topic. I can find where I posted it, but no responses show.

MHCerberus.1385:

robertul, it is players like you that make me cringe. To those that suggested making my own group do you really believe I would be posting here had I not gotten fed up of making group after group only to have them fall apart because some dink decided that skipping is the only way they can play? I can maybe MAYBE get one or two group a month that wont skip, and it usually involves noobs.

Whenever we post lfgs for specifics we also experience this. It isn’t fun, sure, and I know I get a group that adheres to my high standards of fashion rarely (joke harhar) if ever. We understand where you’re coming from in terms of the lfg. But the issue is, we all have our playing preferences and in group play we all often have to make compromise and go for the path of least resistance.

@Dalanor
When I get things like gear and exp from killing or running dungeons it is usually so I can improve on my character and kill things faster and more efficiently. What is the point of improving faster if you never get to test the results? I play this game to have fun. The combat is like no other game out there, so why is it bad that I want to enjoy that? I am also the type of person that enjoys a challenge. The way I see it the devs put a challenge in front of me (events in the dungeon) and it would be weak of me to simply go around it.

Whenever we post lfgs for specifics we also experience this. It isn’t fun, sure, and I know I get a group that adheres to my high standards of fashion rarely (joke harhar) if ever. We understand where you’re coming from in terms of the lfg. But the issue is, we all have our playing preferences and in group play we all often have to make compromise and go for the path of least resistance. [/quote]

My guardian may adhere to your fashion standards ;D I realize that there may be no absolute solution to this problem. It unfortunately is hardwired into today’s society. Maybe having something like an extra option for the LFG tool that includes no skipping as a check box much like the language option they have added.

MHCerberus.1385:

Whenever we post lfgs for specifics we also experience this. It isn’t fun, sure, and I know I get a group that adheres to my high standards of fashion rarely (joke harhar) if ever. We understand where you’re coming from in terms of the lfg. But the issue is, we all have our playing preferences and in group play we all often have to make compromise and go for the path of least resistance.

My guardian may adhere to your fashion standards ;D I realize that there may be no absolute solution to this problem. It unfortunately is hardwired into today’s society. Maybe having something like an extra option for the LFG tool that includes no skipping as a check box much like the language option they have added.

There are a variety of check boxes that would be useful, however a lot of people would complain that the spirit of it is too elitist.

If there’s a no skipping box, there also needs to be a speed run box, and so on. Similar to the old gw2lfg.

I would need a “Lilith fashion approved button”. Hold on while I make that suggestion to Anet via email. >.>

I have the same thing happen but with my “zerk/exp” runs. People come in without having read the LFG note, or they just choose to completely ignore it.

Most of the problems I read in this forum area can be directly linked to that issue. If these people would stop being idiots then we would all be a lot happier.

Of course those people apparently can’t read so posting complaints about them here probably won’t do any good.

Jerus.4350:

I have the same thing happen but with my “zerk/exp” runs. People come in without having read the LFG note, or they just choose to completely ignore it.

Most of the problems I read in this forum area can be directly linked to that issue. If these people would stop being idiots then we would all be a lot happier.

Of course those people apparently can’t read so posting complaints about them here probably won’t do any good.

Nailed it.

Well I want legendaries to be free for everybody when they reach level 80. Why am I forced to grind for a legendary just because some people like it that way? Why doesn’t anet just do what I want?

robertul.3679:

Well I want legendaries to be free for everybody when they reach level 80. Why am I forced to grind for a legendary just because some people like it that way? Why doesn’t anet just do what I want?

oh look it took less than 20 posts to reach the first effortless strawman argument

Make your post as everyone suggested. Then when someone joins, tell them this is a no-skip run (explain exactly what you mean by that – clear every single mob, or only optional bosses, etc.) and ask them if that’s ok. If they say nothing, kick them. If their response is vague, kick them. Maybe that sounds harsh, but as you’ve seen the alternative has it’s share of frustration.

At first it will be slow and tedious to get a group. But eventually, you will find like-minded people. Add them to your friends list. Slowly, you will build up a list of contacts that you can call on instead of having to play pug roulette.

One piece of advice – and this goes to everyone in the no-skip crowd. Try to express your preferred style of play in positive terms instead of negative. Tell us what it is, not what it is not. When you express yourself in the negative, it creates a them-vs-us mentality that isn’t helpful for anyone. When you claim to know the dev’s intentions, belittle other styles of play, you just engender resentment. Instead of anti-skipping/stacking, try “full clear, out in the open fights.”

“This would not be such a hot topic for me if players did not get personally offended by me wanting to actually play the game and kill a few enemies. Is there any solution for this?”

Playing the game is completing the mission. That’s what the other players want to do and they don’t want to kill things that are not required for the mission. I think your solution is to accept this or find like minded players.

Rather than blame other players, you can fairly blame the designers. Skipping some enemies could be good design but we all know that skipping everything is a bit ridiculous. The new living story dungeons have been better so we can expect any new dungeons to be better as well. Reworking the old dungeons, as with the AC revamp, seems a little pointless.

Unskippable videos (like TA etherblade for example) are rly an issue.
They should fix it!
I don´t want to watch the same boring video 1000 of times. Especially if i don´t get any useful loot for it!

Skipping content happens when:

1. Killing the trash/completing optional encounters is mostly unrewarding
2. Killing the trash/completing optional encounters is mostly unfun.

This is largely the case in GW2. Dungeons spam elites at you which are nothing more than bags of HP with damaging attacks that don’t give loot worth your time. I’d consider doing full clears of dungeons if that were encouraged in any way by their design (e.g. vanquishing/master’s rewards in GW1) but that simply doesn’t exist.

If you’ve tried being proactive about this (making no-skip posts) and it hasn’t worked after months of attempts, what exactly do you think we can do for you? Even if this forum wasn’t filled with people who really really like to play efficiently, you would simply be looking for people to agree with you about how much of an outrage this is, right? I guess I can see that, sometimes when I’m kittened about something I just want someone to say they hate it too, but you’ve come to the wrong place for this argument.

@OP Are you on NA or EU servers, I’m looking for people who don’t like stacking and skiping as well I’m on EU servers.
On topic: LFG is a broken tool honestly, OR people are broken, since I’m amazed how people can’t read the description I put on it, no stacking bosses in corner for AC, and people just come in. Then they are surprised when I tell them I don’t want to go to emo corner with the spider
Even more surprising is that newer players don’t even know how to run dungeons without stacking and skiping mobs… Shame imho, I don’t know if it’s in direct correlation with “exploiting” stupid AI with stacking mobs in corners, against the walls, but people are so bad once they fight in open field against AI I could be wrong….
Anyway TL:DR;
There is no correct way to play the game, speed runs, non speed runs, stacking, no stacking, everything is fine. BTW not wanting to do speed runs != NOOB.

This thread would be a lot shorter if everyone who has their preference of how to run a dungeon does this:

Cotser.7015:

Make own lfg: “Path(x) No skipping”

MHCerberus.1385:

This has probably been posted and discussed to it’s bitter end, but I haven’t read it! I love running dungeons.

Yes it has been posted by you, it has been discussed in your thread, and you have read it.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Skipping-in-Dungeons

^ Your thread about a year ago.

MHCerberus.1385:

This would not be such a hot topic for me if players did not get personally offended by me wanting to actually play the game and kill a few enemies. Is there any solution for this?

Obvious solution – make your own groups, filter people. I bet you already knew that.

MHCerberus.1385:

robertul, it is players like you that make me cringe. To those that suggested making my own group do you really believe I would be posting here had I not gotten fed up of making group after group only to have them fall apart because some dink decided that skipping is the only way they can play? I can maybe MAYBE get one or two group a month that wont skip, and it usually involves noobs.

Agreed!
The LFG Party Description solution is not a very good one at all.
A guild with your mindset is probably the best solution. =)

knives.6345:

This thread would be a lot shorter if everyone who has their preference of how to run a dungeon does this:

Cotser.7015:

Make own lfg: “Path(x) No skipping”

On the contrary (as in, it would be shorter if people didn’t keep repeating that solution =) ).

Have you ever tried this method yourself? It’s really a very poor and frustrating solution.

Phadde.7362:

MHCerberus.1385:

robertul, it is players like you that make me cringe. To those that suggested making my own group do you really believe I would be posting here had I not gotten fed up of making group after group only to have them fall apart because some dink decided that skipping is the only way they can play? I can maybe MAYBE get one or two group a month that wont skip, and it usually involves noobs.

Agreed!
The LFG Party Description solution is not a very good one at all.
A guild with your mindset is probably the best solution. =)

But a guild with your mindset is not a solution? Why just his?

MHCerberus.1385:

I can maybe MAYBE get one or two group a month that wont skip, and it usually involves noobs.

So basically you don’t want to skip but you want to be carried by experienced players.

At this point I’m reasonably certain that every “omg i hate skippers they ruined my life” thread on this particular subforum is just another fellow “elitist” trolling for a good rise.

I like to think that most people have the good sense to recognize that “why don’t people play the game the way I want them to play, there should be an option to force them to do things my way” is a pretty dumb complaint, and that the people making said complaints are doing so intentionally.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

At this point I’m reasonably certain that every “omg i hate skippers they ruined my life” thread on this particular subforum is just another fellow “elitist” trolling for a good rise.

I like to think that most people have the good sense to recognize that “why don’t people play the game the way I want them to play, there should be an option to force them to do things my way” is a pretty dumb complaint, and that the people making said complaints are doing so intentionally.

I’m reasonably certain that the only trolling elitist anti skipping post was the one I just posted today, because all of these are totally legitimate. People want to kill things, at least when they experience bad pugs who can’t skip. It is actually a pretty logical response after, say, 5 wipes on a single skip.

Please stop these threads and stop responding to these threads. Lfg not working is no excuse. Lfg works for what it is intended for, pugs. You want quality players? Form a guild of people that want the same thing you want. There is actually already at least one multi-server guild that is dedicated to not skipping trash in dungeons so look them up. And if even making/joining a guild of like-minded individuals doesn’t work, then take that as a hint that nobody, literally nobody, wants what you want so you should move on to another game.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

At this point I’m reasonably certain that every “omg i hate skippers they ruined my life” thread on this particular subforum is just another fellow “elitist” trolling for a good rise.

I like to think that most people have the good sense to recognize that “why don’t people play the game the way I want them to play, there should be an option to force them to do things my way” is a pretty dumb complaint, and that the people making said complaints are doing so intentionally.

I’m reasonably certain that the only trolling elitist anti skipping post was the one I just posted today, because all of these are totally legitimate. People want to kill things, at least when they experience bad pugs who can’t skip. It is actually a pretty logical response after, say, 5 wipes on a single skip.

The “logical” response would be “man this skipping really isn’t working out today, I should start a non-skip party”. Not “skippers are terrible I will go rant on the forums to people I know are hardcore skippers.”

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

At this point I’m reasonably certain that every “omg i hate skippers they ruined my life” thread on this particular subforum is just another fellow “elitist” trolling for a good rise.

I like to think that most people have the good sense to recognize that “why don’t people play the game the way I want them to play, there should be an option to force them to do things my way” is a pretty dumb complaint, and that the people making said complaints are doing so intentionally.

I’m reasonably certain that the only trolling elitist anti skipping post was the one I just posted today, because all of these are totally legitimate. People want to kill things, at least when they experience bad pugs who can’t skip. It is actually a pretty logical response after, say, 5 wipes on a single skip.

The “logical” response would be “man this skipping really isn’t working out today, I should start a non-skip party”. Not “skippers are terrible I will go rant on the forums to people I know are hardcore skippers.”

I think you’re assuming they know more about the forums than they actually do.

Jerus.4350:

Of course those people apparently can’t read so posting complaints about them here probably won’t do any good.

LOL +1 tho this

I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt in most cases, except this guy specifically said he knew the general culture of this particular subforum.

Shaogin.2679:

Please stop these threads and stop responding to these threads. Lfg not working is no excuse. Lfg works for what it is intended for, pugs. You want quality players? Form a guild of people that want the same thing you want. There is actually already at least one multi-server guild that is dedicated to not skipping trash in dungeons so look them up. And if even making/joining a guild of like-minded individuals doesn’t work, then take that as a hint that nobody, literally nobody, wants what you want so you should move on to another game.

+1

MHCerberus.1385:

This has probably been posted and discussed to it’s bitter end, but I haven’t read it! I love running dungeons. I love the scenery, teamwork, and most of all the FIGHTING. I start groups for something as simple as CoF Path 1 and look for people that won’t skip content. I am horrified by how many players don’t know how not to skip over content. They don’t know what it’s like to actually play the dungeon instead of running past hordes of enemies to “save time”. Too often in Twilight Arbor will parties skip over the first few waves only to wipe later on. Afterwords they are then trying to run past lot’s of knockdown and frustration that could have been easily avoided. This would not be such a hot topic for me if players did not get personally offended by me wanting to actually play the game and kill a few enemies. Is there any solution for this?

Everyone is entitled to running a dungeon whichever way they prefer. I agree with you that most speedclearing fans go a bit over the top when somebody brings up this topic but what can you do?
Me and my guildies usually vary in our approach to every dungeon, we usually take out all the trash mobs that might pose us problems in case we wipe further along, skip them all if we’re on a tight schedule or even kill them all if we’re bringing less experienced people along.
Point being, try to find a group of players that share your interests when it comes to dungeon running, a guild would be the best option as betting on LFG-made groups to actually work their way through an entire dungeon without skipping anything seems a tad like wishful thinking to me.

you can do the new aetherblade ta path. I dont’ think that’s skippable.

I think hearing from all the complaint. Anet might make new dungeon not skippable. That’s what they did with aetherblade path.

laokoko.7403:

Anet might make new dungeon not skippable.

dredge fractal too, to some extent.
fear.

Skipping mobs is fun! Then again I main thief and the art of synergy in a party and your smoke fields/blasts/shadow refuge is such a thrill! -.- until someone lags and misses a pulse of stealth or walks through the SR…then that’s no fun

Also, If people oppose stealth or prefer to kill every single mob. I request that they fight the enemies right before Giganticus Lupicus (champion orrian warrior and the illusionists…just saying they’re a pain) And having to fight Korga who is right before the last boss in path 1 of arah =P

Another dungeon that is extremely annoying in regards to trash. Try running most of CM without stealth or tons of condi clears/reflects…see how that goes

Almost forgot, the barrels in Path 2 of CM…Ya enjoy doing that and trying to kill all the bandits :P

Lilith Ajit.6173:

But a guild with your mindset is not a solution? Why just his?

What?
I’m quite actively looking for a guild like this =)

This is why the new TA dungeon has since been abandon because you couldn’t bypass the waste of time mobs between bosses.

It’s also why there hasn’t been any new dungeons and probably won’t see anymore in the foreseeable future.

Charak.9761:

This is why the new TA dungeon has since been abandon because you couldn’t bypass the waste of time mobs between bosses.

It’s also why there hasn’t been any new dungeons and probably won’t see anymore in the foreseeable future.

Not all content has to be a farmable resource, TA aetherpath is the most entertaining dungeon to do in this game right now. And since last October all those hunting for the Dungeon Master title will need to get through it, I pity the people “raised” on zerk meta for their minds will be shattered when the reality that stacking in a corner won’t help them in there.
I hope ArenaNet pushes out more dungeons like that, something you can gather your mates for when you’re looking for that adrenaline rush most other dungeons fail to provide you.

Veckna.9621:

Charak.9761:

This is why the new TA dungeon has since been abandon because you couldn’t bypass the waste of time mobs between bosses.

It’s also why there hasn’t been any new dungeons and probably won’t see anymore in the foreseeable future.

Not all content has to be a farmable resource, TA aetherpath is the most entertaining dungeon to do in this game right now. And since last October all those hunting for the Dungeon Master title will need to get through it, I pity the people “raised” on zerk meta for their minds will be shattered when the reality that stacking in a corner won’t help them in there.
I hope ArenaNet pushes out more dungeons like that, something you can gather your mates for when you’re looking for that adrenaline rush most other dungeons fail to provide you.

lol, stacking in a corner is the best way to fight every fight in this dungeon (except maybe spark and slick)

maxinion.8396:

lol, stacking in a corner is the best way to fight every fight in this dungeon (except maybe spark and slick)

Stack at foreman and his AoE & Whirl will wipe your group; stack at Clockheart and good luck blowing up holograms on it to disable it’s shield. Must I go on?

Veckna.9621:

maxinion.8396:

lol, stacking in a corner is the best way to fight every fight in this dungeon (except maybe spark and slick)

Stack at foreman and his AoE & Whirl will wipe your group; stack at Clockheart and good luck blowing up holograms on it to disable it’s shield. Must I go on?

Well, somehow I 3 man’ed this dungeon (two bearbow noobies as the other members) by stacking on these fights (albeit with a little bit of movement, not a super hard stack), so maybe it’s just a matter of knowing what you’re doing.

Bread.7516:

MHCerberus.1385:

This has probably been posted and discussed to it’s bitter end, but I haven’t read it! I love running dungeons.

Yes it has been posted by you, it has been discussed in your thread, and you have read it.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Skipping-in-Dungeons

^ Your thread about a year ago.

MHCerberus.1385:

This would not be such a hot topic for me if players did not get personally offended by me wanting to actually play the game and kill a few enemies. Is there any solution for this?

Obvious solution – make your own groups, filter people. I bet you already knew that.

Someone got told.

maxinion.8396:

Well, somehow I 3 man’ed this dungeon (two bearbow noobies as the other members) by stacking on these fights (albeit with a little bit of movement, not a super hard stack), so maybe it’s just a matter of knowing what you’re doing.

Your definition of stacking in a corner perhaps is not in line with mine, for me stacking in a corner is hugging a corner and just keep dishing out dps without leaving it at all.
While at foreman people pull him to a side of the room and work with that bit of space to dodge and maneuver around his AoE’s and on clockheart you’ll want nearly your entire group in melee range of it apart from somebody you designate to pick up the holograms… I fail to see how those situations qualify as “stacking in a corner”.