Guild Wars 2

Why is this a thing? Patch this crap pls.. It’s just annoying and totally unecessary. More peopel die trying to jump up on the pole than by simply fighting him normally. Honestly, it really is an easy fight.

It’s an **ploit – don’t do it – report them.

I always do it on the ground – I don’t want to be a pole dancer – I heard there are some clubs where that is the thing though.

I personally do not understand why this is a thing myself.

Even at high levels you can face tank him completely even in full glass and wolves will get cut down by cleaves anyways.

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People who don’t run pug fractals meet bad pugs, and insist they don’t run pug strats/exploits

It’s not a case of good or bad. Literally EVERYBODY does it. I’m just saying I find it pretty pointless personally.

That’s far from the truth that everybody does them, my group of friends and guild usually never uses the pole, but really you should simply not run with pugs or people that do that method if you want to complain about it. There will always be away to exploit that fight most likely, so just get in a group that will fight it normally then complain.

If people enjoy sitting on Mossman’s pole they can do it but if i ask them nicely to not do it and they do it anyway… i’ll sit by the fire during the fight.

Dont join 56-67-77 groups. Or do your own LFG.

These groups are not playing the game/fractals. They just want the reward. At least this is why I do it (used to be mad with uw mossman long ago). Nowadays I just log in, do 56-67-77, log out and then I play witcher 3. Fractals are not fun anymore, so I dont bother anymore.

Because its fast and convenient. Don’t want to do it? Make your own group.

after years of nun-bugging stuff i gave up on it. Its just a joke this fractal never ever got fixed from the start of fotm. First a Tree, then water, then another water, then a pole… I’m shure if they remove this 5 min later someone detect a new spot. And fractals are kitten boring anyway once you did the race to max lvl serval times.
Currentliy i just solo wisps or close my eyes when others wanna do it and so often fail for no reason (maybe handle it like cof3 and reduce it to only one orb to be run…), so im happy to just more braindead finish this stuff, get reward and go out.

Fotm if just way to noobfriendly and thats the way they assume everyone to be able to get a daily reward.

Ryn.6459:

Dont join 56-67-77 groups. Or do your own LFG.

These groups are not playing the game/fractals. They just want the reward. At least this is why I do it (used to be mad with uw mossman long ago). Nowadays I just log in, do 56-67-77, log out and then I play witcher 3. Fractals are not fun anymore, so I dont bother anymore.

Thanks, it was our group, 3 guildies + 2 pugs.

Ryn.6459:

Dont join 56-67-77 groups. Or do your own LFG.

These groups are not playing the game/fractals. They just want the reward. At least this is why I do it (used to be mad with uw mossman long ago). Nowadays I just log in, do 56-67-77, log out and then I play witcher 3. Fractals are not fun anymore, so I dont bother anymore.

It can take forever to find people welling to do other, mostly people who still dont have that levels for the achievements. The same people will not join the next time. SO your suggestion is not viable. The pole need to go.

Rednik.3809:

Because its fast and convenient. Don’t want to do it? Make your own group.

Fractals is such old content, the same maps, nd anets retweak only added more lvls, its hard to take it srsly so ppl just want to be done with it fast. I vote for poledancing too.

mazut.4296:

It can take forever to find people welling to do other, mostly people who still dont have that levels for the achievements. The same people will not join the next time. SO your suggestion is not viable. The pole need to go.

So people are not willing to play like you want them to play and you think that your opinion > their opinion?

I generally only do 56-67-77 because we generally only have 3 maybe 4 that are really capable of going higher atm. However we do not ever use exploits like that.

I find it sad that Anet haven’t fixed all these exploits, so many bad people thinking they’re good because they run higher fractals daily for years. Saw a few people I know who used exploit spots, soon as they started raiding they were dying all over the place, don’t get complacent and do it because it’s boring, if you don’t find it enjoyable, go do something else. If you’d rather be playing witcher 3 go play that instead of wasting your time on something you don’t care about.

Rednik.3809:

mazut.4296:

It can take forever to find people welling to do other, mostly people who still dont have that levels for the achievements. The same people will not join the next time. SO your suggestion is not viable. The pole need to go.

So people are not willing to play like you want them to play and you think that your opinion > their opinion?

I didn’t realize that forever happened in 5 minutes at most…

If you want a group that adheres to your own playstyle how about make your own LFG? That, or at the very least choose to excuse yourself from the group when they decide to tackle the content in a way that differs from your own preference. The way I see it pug law is majority vote. So you can either go along with what’s been voted on or walk away from the instance.

Personally, I like to think that there’s a running joke amongst the Anet team to see who can get away with slipping little oversights like the tree, underwater, and such. Though, the underwater lure was way more obvious of a bug since Mossy clearly was not programmed for underwater combat…except he was okay to fight alongside Mr. Jellyfish. The tree and poles are funnier because QA (or similar) took a look over the level and thought, “Yep, that’s a pole.”

That pole makes literally no sense. Its slower and makes an easy fight awkward. I assumed the only reason was to avoid random Condi instability. Even then its stupid as it doesn’t work completely and people use it on other instabilities.

Thankfully people don’t use it below 50.

spoj.9672:

That pole makes literally no sense. Its slower and makes an easy fight awkward. I assumed the only reason was to avoid random Condi instability. Even then its stupid as it doesn’t work completely and people use it on other instabilities.

Thankfully people don’t use it below 50.

Except the pole is netflix and chill. and people like that.

Harper.4173:

spoj.9672:

That pole makes literally no sense. Its slower and makes an easy fight awkward. I assumed the only reason was to avoid random Condi instability. Even then its stupid as it doesn’t work completely and people use it on other instabilities.

Thankfully people don’t use it below 50.

the pole is netflix and chill

eww…..

kolompi.1287:

Ryn.6459:

Dont join 56-67-77 groups. Or do your own LFG.

These groups are not playing the game/fractals. They just want the reward. At least this is why I do it (used to be mad with uw mossman long ago). Nowadays I just log in, do 56-67-77, log out and then I play witcher 3. Fractals are not fun anymore, so I dont bother anymore.

Thanks, it was our group, 3 guildies + 2 pugs.

tbh if I see this situation (2 o more players of a certain guild) I always wait till I see how they want to do it. BUt not everyone is as polite as I am I give you that.

On the other hand I don’t understand why people claiming that want to enjoy fractals are doing 56-67-77 (not saying is your case).

Ryn.6459:

On the other hand I don’t understand why people claiming that want to enjoy fractals are doing 56-67-77 (not saying is your case).

This isn’t the OP’s case, but what so many of you fail to realise in these threads is that there is a lot to enjoy in fractals besides the challenge. I’d argue most players are interested in everything but a challenge.

Well, pre HoT fractals were fun (they were my main daily thing). Post Hot, fractals are annoying as hell and not fun anymore (why I am punished with losing all my boon for a proper dodge? why random conditions that I can’t avoid are applied to me? etcetc). They are tedious, sorry. And more importantly, they are not a challange, not at all.

Ryn.6459:

Well, pre HoT fractals were fun (they were my main daily thing). Post Hot, fractals are annoying as hell and not fun anymore (why I am punished with losing all my boon for a proper dodge? why random conditions that I can’t avoid are applied to me? etcetc). They are tedious, sorry. And more importantly, they are not a challange, not at all.

^ soooo much this.

It’s not like fracs are now suddenly hard or challenging, they’re still faceroll just bloody annoying.

Dusk has been saying for weeks this was supposed to be patched with the 26th update, how did we get another thread on this.

SlyDevil.3952:

Dusk has been saying for weeks this was supposed to be patched with the 26th update, how did we get another thread on this.

How do we end up with multi threads on anything?

The funny part is you actually kill him faster when you aren’t on the pole.

It’s not faster when your random PUG swap to their ranged weapons, never dodge, don’t maintain protection, don’t use food/consumables, don’t cleanse conditions, don’t remove boons

SlyDevil.3952:

Dusk has been saying for weeks this was supposed to be patched with the 26th update, how did we get another thread on this.

Yeah, ANet is very aware of the exploit. I would be utterly shocked if they didn’t address it next Tuesday; I’ve been on their case a lot about it.

So everybody knows it is slower but the people who PREFER not to play that way don’t want others to play that way. Am I getting it right so far?

Look, your regular PUG usually doesn’t do all that well in fractals and just wants to have fun in their way. Whether that is using the pole or fighting on the ground that is their choice and is none of your business.

Just go create your own group if you want to not do things that way. I find that all issues aside things like this actually allow players to participate in fractals. Besides that, I only ever see the pole used in 50+ fractals and never in any fractal below 50. It is very rare to see, probably because a pug group can take out the enemy normally but when you get to decently high levels you wouldn’t be able to in a PUG group. All fixing this would do is force players out of the game mode for the sake of people wanting others to play like them.

A better solution would be to make higher level fractals less of a chore (read, easy enough for a pug group to do with proper hp scaling) then remove the method because it is no longer useful. As it stands now you’re just going to alienate players. You may argue that is fine for you, but long term it is a terrible strategy as you want the medium’s playerbase to grow and not shrink.

Besides, if you wanted hardcore PvE go do raids. I’m sure there are more than enough raiders for you there.

Dusk, do you understand or have more info on why anet dropped dungeons and the logic with bad instabilities design? These two points are killing the game for me (actually the lack of new dungeons and f4actals).

Senario.2038:

As it stands now you’re just going to alienate players. You may argue that is fine for you, but long term it is a terrible strategy as you want the medium’s playerbase to grow and not shrink.

Worst case scenario, this ends up the the AC spider queen where roughly one in four PUG groups will wipe and fall apart. But as there’s a few other easy fractals that can be run for the 51+ chest, the high level daily routies would probably change to something like ’ ?-56-60’

lol when this gets patched, no one will bother with the fractal anymore, some dedicated will, but as most people couldn’t tank moss man at that level you will see maybe 1 or 2 parties, and they will take awhile to fill, this is about balance and Anet have to see the problem,

Moss Man, and the Vet Wolves hit hard at higher levels, so hard they could down you in 1 or 2 hits, oh but wait I can dodge the attack, WHAM I just lost all boons that where protecting me, and now here comes a random condition followed by oh look im dead.

People will always find the fastest, easiest way to do content, and the current way is the fastest and easiest, that should tell Anet that something is wrong, and people are not enjoying the level so are using a work around to beat it……

Ryn.6459:

Dusk, do you understand or have more info on why anet dropped dungeons and the logic with bad instabilities design? These two points are killing the game for me (actually the lack of new dungeons and f4actals).

I talked to them about the bad instabilities and didn’t get much in the way of solid response, but I think it’s in large part because they wanted to try to incentivize certain playstyles and didn’t have a good vision about how best to do that and also didn’t want to spend a ton of coder time on it when they needed to get single fractal levels working for HoT. I’m fairly confident horribad instabilities like “lose boons on dodge” are things they will replace later on. The issue is, as I understand, that all instabilities have to be coded (not scripted), which would take back-end developers off of other tasks Fractals need them for (like new map mechanics). The earliest you might expect to see them fixed would be when the new Fractals are released later this year.

As far as dungeons, it seems pretty clear to me that they don’t want players playing them. They don’t have the resources to do both Fractals and Dungeons, and Dungeons have a far lower ROI when compared with Fractals. The biggest thing, though, is that Dungeons would require massive reworks to get them to a state where they are sustainable. Basically, save yourself the false hope and let them go.

Kinda sad to hear that you didn’t get much of a response from the instabilities part.

I mean at this point, later this year, maybe, is just too little too late.

stop forcing your way of playing on to others. if you don’t like it, leave the group. simple as that.

Ok I Did It.2854:

lol when this gets patched, no one will bother with the fractal anymore, some dedicated will, but as most people couldn’t tank moss man at that level you will see maybe 1 or 2 parties, and they will take awhile to fill, this is about balance and Anet have to see the problem,

Moss Man, and the Vet Wolves hit hard at higher levels, so hard they could down you in 1 or 2 hits, oh but wait I can dodge the attack, WHAM I just lost all boons that where protecting me, and now here comes a random condition followed by oh look im dead.

People will always find the fastest, easiest way to do content, and the current way is the fastest and easiest, that should tell Anet that something is wrong, and people are not enjoying the level so are using a work around to beat it……

Pretty sure you haven’t touched high level fractals without the pole since the patch. Seeing as everything hits like a wet noodle now. They nerfed mob/boss damage into the ground.

Ty Dusk for your response… but i have to say, later this year?? Wtf. Well its official then. I will come back later this year

No problem. The thing to remember is that I’m not on a NDA, which means that I can tell you guys everything I hear… but also means they don’t tell me as much as we’d all like. I definitely think they’ll redo the worst instabilities, it just unfortunately won’t happen right away.

spoj.9672:

Ok I Did It.2854:

lol when this gets patched, no one will bother with the fractal anymore, some dedicated will, but as most people couldn’t tank moss man at that level you will see maybe 1 or 2 parties, and they will take awhile to fill, this is about balance and Anet have to see the problem,

Moss Man, and the Vet Wolves hit hard at higher levels, so hard they could down you in 1 or 2 hits, oh but wait I can dodge the attack, WHAM I just lost all boons that where protecting me, and now here comes a random condition followed by oh look im dead.

People will always find the fastest, easiest way to do content, and the current way is the fastest and easiest, that should tell Anet that something is wrong, and people are not enjoying the level so are using a work around to beat it……

Pretty sure you haven’t touched high level fractals without the pole since the patch. Seeing as everything hits like a wet noodle now. They nerfed mob/boss damage into the ground.

Which is an assumption on your part rather than fact. Yes, mob damage is down but that is actually to promote a variety of builds to be workable. With higher damage that was so high that building defensive wasn’t an option (you would get instagibbed anyway) there was actually no reason not to go full dps. Now there is.

I do think they need to fix the instabilities before they fix anything else. Being punished for dodging (aka good play) is part of the reason people don’t want to do high level fractals in a normal way.

Senario.2038:

spoj.9672:

Ok I Did It.2854:

lol when this gets patched, no one will bother with the fractal anymore, some dedicated will, but as most people couldn’t tank moss man at that level you will see maybe 1 or 2 parties, and they will take awhile to fill, this is about balance and Anet have to see the problem,

Moss Man, and the Vet Wolves hit hard at higher levels, so hard they could down you in 1 or 2 hits, oh but wait I can dodge the attack, WHAM I just lost all boons that where protecting me, and now here comes a random condition followed by oh look im dead.

People will always find the fastest, easiest way to do content, and the current way is the fastest and easiest, that should tell Anet that something is wrong, and people are not enjoying the level so are using a work around to beat it……

Pretty sure you haven’t touched high level fractals without the pole since the patch. Seeing as everything hits like a wet noodle now. They nerfed mob/boss damage into the ground.

Which is an assumption on your part rather than fact. Yes, mob damage is down but that is actually to promote a variety of builds to be workable. With higher damage that was so high that building defensive wasn’t an option (you would get instagibbed anyway) there was actually no reason not to go full dps. Now there is.

I do think they need to fix the instabilities before they fix anything else. Being punished for dodging (aka good play) is part of the reason people don’t want to do high level fractals in a normal way.

50 only ever had 1 shots on glass eles and maybe thieves on very specific attacks on specific bosses. Scale 90-100 doesnt even 2 shot glass eles now. It was nerfed into the ground.

Also. Are you “Ok I Did It.2854”? Because if not how can you assume to represent him?

The whole thing just feels like a mess and is rather frustrating. First, the fractals were separated and completely took away the edge of having to be prepared for 3 random instances +1 boss. You could get an easy set of 3, or you could get a set that made you want to ragequit. So, it’s no surprise to see Swamp + Swamp + Swamp being the normal set. It’s rather fast and easy.

Outside of collection items, there is little to no incentive to run the more “difficult” fractals. Plus, it’s the same thing over an over again: lose your boons on dodge, land a crit and give your target a boon, mobs steal your boons, take a strike and receive a random condition, slower CD recovery while under the effect of a condition, grant agony to allies when huddled close.

I remember one thread where a dev was talking about skipping in dungeons. Basically, it boiled down to they weren’t so much concerned with the players performing the skip but rather WHY the player felt the skips were so necessary. In the case of fractals something like the “polestrats” were conceived because the content feels extremely stale and punishing. Something like the “lose boons on dodge” was much more appropriately addressed in the old fractal 49 where you didn’t completely nerf yourself, but there was at least incentive to not dodge wildly and watch your endurance meter.

The older instabilities felt far more original and introduced an organic feel to the runs. Anyone remember exploding Harpies or Mossy coming out of nowhere and practically pulling an RKO? And, by Dwayna, if someone didn’t find me something to slaughter I would contemplate killing the Ranger’s pet to satisfy my bloodlust on 43.

Anyways, I’ll happily label myself under the category “fractals are a chore”. But hey, at least I’m getting my ascended boxes, right?

spoj.9672:

Ok I Did It.2854:

lol when this gets patched, no one will bother with the fractal anymore, some dedicated will, but as most people couldn’t tank moss man at that level you will see maybe 1 or 2 parties, and they will take awhile to fill, this is about balance and Anet have to see the problem,

Moss Man, and the Vet Wolves hit hard at higher levels, so hard they could down you in 1 or 2 hits, oh but wait I can dodge the attack, WHAM I just lost all boons that where protecting me, and now here comes a random condition followed by oh look im dead.

People will always find the fastest, easiest way to do content, and the current way is the fastest and easiest, that should tell Anet that something is wrong, and people are not enjoying the level so are using a work around to beat it……

Pretty sure you haven’t touched high level fractals without the pole since the patch. Seeing as everything hits like a wet noodle now. They nerfed mob/boss damage into the ground.

Scale 77 mossman downs my full zerk druid in 2 autos, through protection. Wet noodle it is not.

Quarktastic.1027:

Scale 77 mossman downs my full zerk druid in 2 autos, through protection. Wet noodle it is not.

I guess he thinking that everyone have permaprot+superior fractal defense potion.

Rednik.3809:

Quarktastic.1027:

Scale 77 mossman downs my full zerk druid in 2 autos, through protection. Wet noodle it is not.

I guess he thinking that everyone have permaprot+superior fractal defense potion.

I use the offense potions, at least until anet fixes the pole exploit. Sure, I can fight mossman on the ground, but I’m of the group that just wants to get their daily done as quick as possible. High scale fractals are more tedious than they are difficult.

Fractals are old and tired. Its like Tequatl for a lot of people, we have done it so many times that the act has lost all meaning. If you want to gloriously kill Mossman the proper way, then you can go right ahead, but I’m tired of it and I just want the loot.

There are so many people who want to ride the greasy pole?
I’m in shock.

Has been said many times on the thread but it is effective to make your own group. At least that’s what I do. Post something like “Swamps of the mists, no exploit on mossman (56-67-77)” and you’re good to go. People do actually join these groups fairly often.

Except that this has nothing to do with “make your own group” or “play how i want” or sth like this, but it is clearly an exploit which everybody agreed when installing the game that anet can ban you for it, and it should be fixed asap regardless if any1 likes it or not.

The Wintersday jumping puzzle exploiters also were just playing how they want, so is it ok to exploit the wintersday jumping puzzle then?

Lendruil.9061:

Except that this has nothing to do with “make your own group” or “play how i want” or sth like this, but it is clearly an exploit which everybody agreed when installing the game that anet can ban you for it, and it should be fixed asap regardless if any1 likes it or not.

The Wintersday jumping puzzle exploiters also were just playing how they want, so is it ok to exploit the wintersday jumping puzzle then?

Completely agree that it should be fixed asap. But you as a player do not have the power to stop other people from exploiting. You can only control your own actions and the only way to ensure the non exploit in this case is to specifically signal the pugs in lfg.

Lendruil.9061:

but it is clearly an exploit which everybody agreed when installing the game that anet can ban you for it…

The Wintersday jumping puzzle exploiters also were just playing how they want, so is it ok to exploit the wintersday jumping puzzle then?

I doubt that this “exploit” is in the same range like a bot which was used in the jumping puzzle. Also, Anet has ignored many known “exploits” in this game and never banned anyone for using them, for example oneshotting Lupi.
This mossman issue is a minor thing and you can bypass it by joining/forming appropriate groups like several ppl already mentioned in this thread.
Should they fix it? Yes. Is it really relevant? No. The content is faceroll as hell no matter fighting in the open or standing on the pole. Stop complaining about it.