I can’t get into challenge modes. I don’t have any friends who do fractals, and LFG won’t allow new people, only experienced. I tried making my own group for new people but people would literally join and then leave when they saw no one experienced was in the group already.
Basically in order to do it I either:
A) have to suddenly find 4 friends who like fractals, have 150 AR already, and are interested in doing the challenge mode.
B) Find a random experienced person to lead the group, because no one is interested in going in as an all new group.
C) Go back in time and do the challenge mode within the first 12-24 hours of release, which is the only time it’s OK to not already have done it, apparently.
I started learning CM 2 weeks after release by stalking and joining every 100 cm lfg listing I came across. I put down great dedication to memorize every tips and guides. You just have to keep looking and even making your own group. It’s not hard.
“Raids are like fortune cookies. You eat the cookie and then read the paper scraps.”
A) have to suddenly find 4 friends who like fractals, have 150 AR already, and are interested in doing the challenge mode.
Or find 4 friends who like Fractals, help them get to 150 AR working as a team and when the time comes do the challenge motes with them. Friends and guild mates are long term investments
Weird, I don’t have a guild nor any friends in this game and I pug CM’s on a daily basis
If you believe you are really in the dead end, you can always find a group that sells 100CM (100-150g) to obtain the title. Title with knowledge you’ve gained so far combined may be enough to get into an experienced group, thus allow you to start farming it. Same would apply to 99CM, it’s ridiculously easy nowadays – rarely do I get a group that wipes on it.
Remember though that 100CM does not forgive any mistakes made by any of the members of your party.
I believe the OP. This is actually a very real issue.
This is actually true for most people.. since most of the people who run cm run third party software to check out your dps, gear, etc.. and will auto-kick you should you perform below their standards. Besides that most groups also require you to already have done the run and have the title. Which makes it really hard to get the titles in the first place because its such a closed group.
ANET should really disallow third party software at the least. Its not healthy for the game. Specially for the new and/or casual players.
I believe the OP. This is actually a very real issue.
This is actually true for most people.. since most of the people who run cm run third party software to check out your dps, gear, etc.. and will auto-kick you should you perform below their standards. Besides that most groups also require you to already have done the run and have the title. Which makes it really hard to get the titles in the first place because its such a closed group.
ANET should really disallow third party software at the least. Its not healthy for the game. Specially for the new and/or casual players.
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The only thing that does is enable people who lie about their gear/experience to get into a group and then waste everyone else’s time who were there expecting a serious experienced run. It happens all the time in LFG raids when the commander isn’t strict about gear checks/kill proof. Some dude will lie, drop poison in the middle of the group, get kicked, and waste everyone’s time/food buffs…
I argue that gear checks are HEALTHY for the game. I guess it depends on your standpoint, maybe feeling excluded gives you the bad feels… But you know what else sucks? Joining an experienced group, popping your food buffs, and then realizing that 1/2 the people don’t know what’s going on and you just wasted a bunch of your time sitting in the squad, waiting for it to get organized, and then finally doing however many attempts it takes before you finally decide it’s hopeless and leave.
If not being able to find a group due to group’s strict requirements is a real issue for MOST people, as you say, then the OP should have no problem finding people to join a group with lower requirements should he start one. Sometimes you need to be the one to organize it, you can’t get carried through everything…
since most of the people who run cm run third party software to check out your dps, gear, etc.. and will auto-kick you should you perform below their standards.
I doubt that. If people are looking for dps and you bring maybe 2k less than the other ones, the majority won’t care. People become suspicious if your dps is lesser than around 5k because then you are lacking in skill fundamentally (or you aren’t well prepared in terms of gear, food or wrong traits).
In fact I haven’t kicked or haven’t seen anybody that got kicked out who was in the range of expected parameters. Since 100CM seems much harder without decent dps it’s reasonable to expect people to know their dps class. I haven’t tested much with classes in the new CM but one day we tried with a viper necro group first and it was pain at Arkk (for us – we have no speed clear background) while the power comp (ps, chrono, druid, dps) is very comfortable.
Besides that most groups also require you to already have done the run and have the title. Which makes it really hard to get the titles in the first place because its such a closed group.
Yes, I believe it’s hard to get into those groups that already have the title but it’s still possible to make it with your own lfg and several attempts. Don’t expect any of the other players to carry you and maybe you have to also change players by yourself because they can’t make it. I know a lot of T4 people struggling a bit at 99CM but succeed and I think a lot of them will never succeed in 100CM. It’s possible that you have to try it hours, maybe on different days and there’s also a chance of not getting it done.
ANET should really disallow third party software at the least. Its not healthy for the game. Specially for the new and/or casual players.
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New or casual players won’t get into contact very fast unless they try to join (very) experienced groups. Even in one of my casual raid groups we just use the dps meter to check if we or some of us are not doing too bad. We rather use it for troubleshooting (wrong gear or traits due to class swapping etc.) or trying out new stuff and what works best for us. As long as you don’t run into groups with very high and strict requirements dps meter won’t harm you. Of course toxic individuals exist in GW2 like in any other online game. Just sort them out like they would do with you – straight to block list.
Lol such animosity over my post.. I’m just stating the fact that such programs are abused and this is in fact undeniably real. I just don’t like seeing people, specially the newbies who try really hard to get ostracized for one reason or another, specially over the blown up egos of people who think they’re better than other people. ^^ I remember a time when GW2 was so much friendlier and such things though not unheard of are quite minimal.
Lol such animosity over my post.. I’m just stating the fact that such programs are abused and this is in fact undeniably real. I just don’t like seeing people, specially the newbies who try really hard to get ostracized for one reason or another, specially over the blown up egos of people who think they’re better than other people. ^^ I remember a time when GW2 was so much friendlier and such things though not unheard of are quite minimal.
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Is it actually considered anomosity now to state the other side of any argument or to simply disagree with any opinion?
All I see is people mentioning the fact that players have been using the lack of gear/DPS checking options to disrespect any LFG group requirements for a long time. Slowing down everyone else at best and causing failures and therefor wasting the time of four others at worst. As well as how they have been using the meters as a tools to gain accurate information needed for improvement.
In short, they brought up the positive sides of 3rd party programs. Something you are quite quick to ignore, it seems.
To the OP, have you ever tried to form your own party? Welcome everyone willing to join, no matter their level of experience. You will have to keep trying for a couple of hours of course. All of us had to figure out the bosses on the first evening. Some spend half of the night on it.
Anyone willing to get into raids or CM fractals is able to do so. Most simply do not want to go through any initial trial and learning phases. They want to start in a great group, get all of the easy rewards without carrying their own weight. It would indeed be hard to find others willing to accept a player with this mindset unless they happen to be friends or guildies willing to carry you.
Lol such animosity over my post.. I’m just stating the fact that such programs are abused and this is in fact undeniably real.
Have people abused those programs in the recent past in terms of gear checking which is and was not allowed? Yes, I think so.
Is selectivity per dps abuse? No, because dps meters are allowed and since a squad belongs to a commander he has the right to remove you if you won’t bring his requirements.
Will you get mad as a player to be removed via abusing or just not meeting their dps check? Probably yes, but you shouldn’t. You don’t want to play with such individuals anyways. Only very toxic people will be very rude to you or set requirements you won’t fulfill so there’s a positive selection for you as well.
And as I already wrote the vast majority of squads won’t kick you even if your dps is slacking a bit due to some of the players are performing better than you need to kill the boss.
I just don’t like seeing people, specially the newbies who try really hard to get ostracized for one reason or another, specially over the blown up egos of people who think they’re better than other people. ^^ I remember a time when GW2 was so much friendlier and such things though not unheard of are quite minimal.
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If you are a newbie you don’t belong into an experienced group as long as the group is willing to carry you (which is not very rare in case of raiding).
As a beginner you should start to practice and learn because if you have no clue about what you are doing and not improving it won’t help you for future attempts. On the contrary most of those people will create a bad atmosphere in their next groups pretending they are good in what they are doing although it’s not the case. Either “git gud” or buy the reward/title if it’s possible and then don’t play that content again without getting into a learning group before!
Lol such animosity over my post.. I’m just stating the fact that such programs are abused and this is in fact undeniably real. I just don’t like seeing people, specially the newbies who try really hard to get ostracized for one reason or another, specially over the blown up egos of people who think they’re better than other people. ^^ I remember a time when GW2 was so much friendlier and such things though not unheard of are quite minimal.
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You say that people who set requirements for their groups and don’t want to do end game content with complete noobs have overblown egos?
How about the Plebs who join a group that SPECIFICALLY says “Experienced” without bothering to even look up the fight on Dulfy, or watch a youtube video, and then flat out lie via ommission about their experience? Aren’t they the ones who are so self important that they actually get OUTRAGED and feel VICTIMIZED by the “omg elitist toxic community” who refuse to do the work for them and give them a free ride through content? That’s called entitlement.
Should we really feel bad for the guy who shows up and acts OBLIVIOUS to the fact that he’s jerking around nine other people and wasting their time? Because maybe he’ll get free loot and his priorities are more important than everyone else’s? Are we really supposed to feel bad for that guy? Really?
Look, if someone’s being a toxic elitist in a casual/training group, okay, they suck at life… But you got to draw the line somewhere… And for the record, if someone new to raiding really wants to improve their play, third party meters are THE MOST VALUABLE TOOL at their disposal.
The big problem is, imo, that when you miss the start and don’t do cm in the first couple of days , you end up being excluded from good parties. (until you get a clear)
Although, as in my case, knowing all the stuff and only did a LNHB run (Arkk 4% godkitten it! Nova Launch bugged for one guy) I have problems to get into groups, because title or kp I can’t provide, although I know the whole stuff.
I know people want experienced players but the big problem is, that an essence or the first title proofs nothing. (since you could have been carried or bought it.)
The requirement separates wheat from chaff, but in many cases the chaff is filled with good players that can’t proof that they are good.
As for dps meters, I couldn’t care less.
The big problem is, imo, that when you miss the start and don’t do cm in the first couple of days , you end up being excluded from good parties. (until you get a clear)
Although, as in my case, knowing all the stuff and only did a LNHB run (Arkk 4% godkitten it! Nova Launch bugged for one guy) I have problems to get into groups, because title or kp I can’t provide, although I know the whole stuff.
I know people want experienced players but the big problem is, that an essence or the first title proofs nothing. (since you could have been carried or bought it.)
The requirement separates wheat from chaff, but in many cases the chaff is filled with good players that can’t proof that they are good.
As for dps meters, I couldn’t care less.
Trust me, there are enough decent players out there who are also still trying to get the CM done. You just have to be self-confident and open your own lfg. Most of the people are just sitting straight in front of their monitor waiting the perfect lfg for them to be opened. On the other hand don’t expect taken care of players that already have finished it and do it on a daily basis to join you because you think you deserve it. Also, don’t claim that there are so many players out there that can’t proof that they are good. Good people wanting to have it done either have already done so or go in and do it and not complaining in the forums or elsewhere.
And a big “no” to the argument that players “could have been carried or bought it”. The vast majority of these will most likely never ever run this CM again and if they do you’ll recognize them immediately if you by yourself aren’t a bad player and you can wipe them out from your party.
You can always join CM Title groups saying that you know all mechanics and that if you fail they are free to kick you. That’s what I did before I had finished 100 CM.
C) Go back in time and do the challenge mode within the first 12-24 hours of release, which is the only time it’s OK to not already have done it, apparently.
No, because then you have to have done the previous CM, you see.
You can always join CM Title groups saying that you know all mechanics and that if you fail they are free to kick you. That’s what I did before I had finished 100 CM.
I had a guy enter my CM group, which was asking for the title, and say he had gotten Arkk down to 4%. We told him that we’d take him but if he royally screwed up we would kick him. 22 minutes later he killed Arkk for the first time and left no heroes behind.
Any decent group will be willing to take someone who speaks up, but if you’re slacking don’t expect to stay around for long. As an elitiest jerk myself, the thing that annoys me the most is liars, semi-decent players who are willing to listen and improve I can stand, but liars are the worst. Once had a guy for VG say he was in all zerker gear, and once we pulled he instantly got kicked from the group because VG decided to chase him around instead of the minstrels chrono.
What I’m trying to get at is that joining experienced groups is totally fine so long as you are honest with them. If you are expecting a free ride, and you lied at the start, even without a DPS meter you will be found out and instantly kicked. I currently don’t have a DPS meter installed but can tell the terribles pretty quickly. My friend with arc normally confirms my suspicions and then we kick.
You can always join CM Title groups saying that you know all mechanics and that if you fail they are free to kick you. That’s what I did before I had finished 100 CM.
…Any decent group will be willing to take someone who speaks up, but if you’re slacking don’t expect to stay around for long. As an elitiest jerk myself, the thing that annoys me the most is liars, semi-decent players who are willing to listen and improve I can stand, but liars are the worst. Once had a guy for VG say he was in all zerker gear, and once we pulled he instantly got kicked from the group because VG decided to chase him around instead of the minstrels chrono.
What I’m trying to get at is that joining experienced groups is totally fine so long as you are honest with them. If you are expecting a free ride, and you lied at the start, even without a DPS meter you will be found out and instantly kicked…
Could not have said it better myself.
This is exactly the thing a lot of the players do not understand. They try to lie their way into a group and then open a post on the forums about how the community is a bunch of elitist jerks if they are found out and removed from the group.
People tend to treat you the way you treat them. Be honest with them and be charming. Many will give you a chance if asked for it. I sometimes wonder why the process of talking to others seems to be such an issue. Almost as if the automated LFG systems have robbed players of the ability to talk to eachother.
You say that people who set requirements for their groups and don’t want to do end game content with complete noobs have overblown egos?
How about the Plebs who join a group that SPECIFICALLY says “Experienced” without bothering to even look up the fight on Dulfy, or watch a youtube video, and then flat out lie via ommission about their experience? Aren’t they the ones who are so self important that they actually get OUTRAGED and feel VICTIMIZED by the “omg elitist toxic community” who refuse to do the work for them and give them a free ride through content? That’s called entitlement.
Should we really feel bad for the guy who shows up and acts OBLIVIOUS to the fact that he’s jerking around nine other people and wasting their time? Because maybe he’ll get free loot and his priorities are more important than everyone else’s? Are we really supposed to feel bad for that guy? Really?
Look, if someone’s being a toxic elitist in a casual/training group, okay, they suck at life… But you got to draw the line somewhere… And for the record, if someone new to raiding really wants to improve their play, third party meters are THE MOST VALUABLE TOOL at their disposal.
When did I say this.. I didn’t say anything about the people who set requirements in LFG.. I have nothing against people who specify requirements in their LFG.. If they join a group with specifics that’s entirely on them if they can’t bring it.. they’re obviously on the wrong.
On the otherhand, there are alot of people who join unspecified groups acting all high and mighty demanding gear, builds and whatnot.. talking trash and even instigate kicking people for no good reason.. these are the people I refer to as abusive..
I’m not telling you to feel bad about anything either.. you are addressing me for things I did not say. o.O
I am one of those people who don’t mind helping out your so called “PLEBS” if it can be done.. I was helped by the community I encountered when I first started off in GW2 which really fast tracked my getting into the game.. It was inspiring and I am paying it forward. I do not expect anyone to do the same that is entirely on them.
I am merely stating the programs are being abused by abusive people.. nothing more and nothing less.
I believe the OP. This is actually a very real issue.
This is actually true for most people.. since most of the people who run cm run third party software to check out your dps, gear, etc.. and will auto-kick you should you perform below their standards. Besides that most groups also require you to already have done the run and have the title. Which makes it really hard to get the titles in the first place because its such a closed group.
ANET should really disallow third party software at the least. Its not healthy for the game. Specially for the new and/or casual players.
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the first thing a good group ask to you for the 100CM is to link KP and show title , and this is all in game stuff…. stop trying to blame third party soft. when is the game itself to invite to be toxic and elitist. They create bosses with dps check mechanics , soo i want to know how much dps i do during the fight , where i have to improve and stuff.
and to see things in another prospective, if arenanet had not put in the game ascended stuff , all this problems about gear would not even exist…
