Guild Wars 2

Part of the big reason why i bought this game was when ANET said “we don’t want you to feel like you are grinding, blah blah”.

Dungeons? This is just the biggest grind of them all. Why is it we have to grind the same dungeon more than 20 times just to get the armor, weapons are not even included.

But wait, dungeon x is just for looks. What you really need is dungeon y, for the stats. That means you must farm the another dungeon….20 times.

What if you have an alt. You must farm couple of dungeons…20 times.

Then we have Fotm, dear god. I’m not even going to start on that one.

What i’m proposing? one or both of the following solution.

1) Make dungeons less time consuming, but rise the difficulty level. This would mean right before we start a dungeon we can choose either:
Hard mode- Increased difficulty.
Easy mode – same difficulty as we have right now.

Keep in mind these two options balance out between the people who actually wants a challenge and people who just want to get the gear quickly.

2) Increase the amount of tokens after completing the dungeons. What i’m about to say might be extreme but at least enough tokens for one set of armor. That will mean you have to farm the dungeon at least 6 times, which to me is a reasonable amount. Don’t forget about the weapons so completing the dungeon will require from 2-6 extra more times.

The dungeons are fun (respect to Rob), however it becomes tiresome and boring once we have to grind it to get endless amount of gear. This is just my opinion, the end-game dungeon fanatics will probably rant on this one. I can see it coming.

no one is forcing you do to any dungeon,you can craft gear,you can drop it,you can get it for WvW badges or buy it with karma.

AusterlitZ.7941:

no one is forcing you do to any dungeon,you can craft gear,you can drop it,you can get it for WvW badges or buy it with karma.

So you can grind crafting materials and craft it, grind mobs to hope for a drop, grind karma to buy the gear, or grind WvWvW to trade the gear for tokens instead of grinding dungeons. Good to know.

Of course there are some stats that can’t be crafted or bought, but that’s OP’s fault for wanting those specific sets right?

A better system would be what we had in GW1, where you can buy the armor and then put whatever stats you wanted on it through runes. Then again GW1 started out like GW2 and changed after a while, so there is still hope that Arena Net will come to their senses.

Gab Superstar.4059:

AusterlitZ.7941:

no one is forcing you do to any dungeon,you can craft gear,you can drop it,you can get it for WvW badges or buy it with karma.

So you can grind crafting materials and craft it, grind mobs to hope for a drop, grind karma to buy the gear, or grind WvWvW to trade the gear for tokens instead of grinding dungeons. Good to know.

Of course there are some stats that can’t be crafted or bought, but that’s OP’s fault for wanting those specific sets right?

A better system would be what we had in GW1, where you can buy the armor and then put whatever stats you wanted on it through runes. Then again GW1 started out like GW2 and changed after a while, so there is still hope that Arena Net will come to their senses.

Well, you got to do SOMETHING to get to level 80 and progress. You will do either WvW, PvE (getting maps 100%), play Storyline or do Dungeons. By the time you reach level 80, you will have more than enough money/karma/badges to get Exotic armor and equipment, either by crafting, buying or a combination of those.

The only exception is the 3 ascended items (which require you to do a little over 10 Fractals), which are only slightly better than Exotic. There is indeed stuff that you can make that would require “grinding”, but that is just for the looks.

I totally agree on dungeons. I agree less for fractals. I mean fractals is seriously pure grinding especially for gear is just crazy but I feel it can stay there just for ppl who actually like to crazy grind for gear.
On the other hand i feel than dungeons should not be like that. I lost the count on how many AC runs I’ve done for my ele armor and for weapons….this is frustrating and boring like all the other dungeons in all the other games.

EDIT: for who said up here that ppl actually do dungeons for skins you’re wrong. most ppl i know me included does dungeons couse to get gear couse they cannot afford exotic gear on trading post.

That is nonsense. Getting your crafting to level 400 + crafting your armor won’t cost more than 10 gold. You should definitely have at least that much by leveling your character to 80. If you spend your money on gems (for character/bank slots) or other stuff, well, you brought it on your own. It is no reason to complain it is a “grinding” game.

The only reason to grind is to get a nice skin.

Courageous Mithos.8745:

That is nonsense. Getting your crafting to level 400 + crafting your armor won’t cost more than 10 gold. You should definitely have at least that much by leveling your character to 80. If you spend your money on gems (for character/bank slots) or other stuff, well, you brought it on your own. It is no reason to complain it is a “grinding” game.

The only reason to grind is to get a nice skin.

That made no sense. You just contradicted yourself.

You are saying no, this is not a grind because you can craft the gear. But then saying the reason to grind is to get nice skin. In conclusion, then ya it is a grinding game because the skins are part of the game.

Most of the gear is through dungeons, while there is only three different armors which is earned through WvW(which is a big grind, check your facts on how many badges it requires), karma, and crafting.

Flaws with Karma and WvW: it is specific sets. WvW is pure soldiers gear, Karam gear is soldiers gear or some condition damage/healing power.

All of the good looking gear, including weapons (ya…tell me to get those crafted pearl ones), is earned through the dungeon. If i don’t like three pieces of armor, i’m being forced to grind dungeons.

your not forced to do anything. you want something else than whats easy to obtain and because it takes a while to get it and you have to do a few dungeons or such you complain.

If everything was easy to obtain everyone would have anything and everything in no time. Then they would be bored and quit playing.

the best skins is hard to obtain and is end game content that is ment to take a while to get. you can choose to do dungeons and gather money over time if you want to.

you dont have to grind, but thats what you want to do since you want to get it as fast as possible. if you take your time obtaining the tokens it will no longer be a grind.

I appreciate that Anet wanted to keep players from feeling like they had to grind, but they didn’t have to completely ruin that option for players who would /like/ to. It’s boring and repetitive, but it’s efficient unless there’s a system in place like the DR here. Now it’s boring, repetitive, and non-rewarding.

Kill.6973:

Part of the big reason why i bought this game was when ANET said “we don’t want you to feel like you are grinding, blah blah”. This is just a flat out lie.

Dungeons? This is just the biggest grind of them all. Why is it we have to grind the same dungeon more than 20 times just to get the armor, weapons are not even included.

But wait, dungeon x is just for looks. What you really need is dungeon y, for the stats. That means you must farm the another dungeon….20 times.

What if you have an alt. You must farm couple of dungeons…20 times.

Then we have Fotm, dear god. I’m not even going to start on that one.

What i’m proposing? one or both of the following solution.

1) Make dungeons less time consuming, but rise the difficulty level. This would mean right before we start a dungeon we can choose either:
Hard mode- Increased difficulty.
Easy mode – same difficulty as we have right now.

Keep in mind these two options balance out between the people who actually wants a challenge and people who just want to get the gear quickly.

2) Increase the amount of tokens after completing the dungeons. What i’m about to say might be extreme but at least enough tokens for one set of armor. That will mean you have to farm the dungeon at least 6 times, which to me is a reasonable amount. Don’t forget about the weapons so completing the dungeon will require from 2-6 extra more times.

The dungeons are fun (respect to Rob), however it becomes tiresome and boring once we have to grind it to get endless amount of gear. This is just my opinion, the end-game dungeon fanatics will probably rant on this one. I can see it coming.

What do you mean by weapons are not even included? They offer those from dungeons too. Unless you (probably) mean you have to do 20x of X dungeon just to get armor.

Tbh I don’t have a problem with getting gear from dungeons, I actually find it easier than having to come up with the 10G to craft a set for my alts.

My problem is not with dungeon grind for gear, but with now having got every dungeon gear set I want and not having much left to do in that area. I want some real goals to return to those dungeons. ATM going back just to make money is just not an exciting prospect.. Of course, in a game where money is scarce, dungeons are a main source of income for me.. but I don’t really want anything to spend the money on, and doing the same dungeon over and over can get rather bland, fractals included.

It’s nice, to bring friends and make a real social experience out of it, but it’d be great if they added some new content to them. Perhaps a Hard Mode version (as they had in GW1) with different, more challenging mechanics for the boss fights, and the reward being a Pristine ‘insert dungeon name’ Token. With these tokens, after amassing a bunch of them, you could go for a new dungeon armor set, same stats as the regular exotics offered, but cooler skins.

You don’t even have to craft your gear … Just have some money and buy it on TP.
You see ? No grind.
Or maybe you want a game that gives you all for free ? Where’s the point in playing then ?

Don’t start doing dungeons at level 80.

I level my alts by doing dungeons. By the time they are level 80 I have enough tokens to get an armor set and weapons, and with the gold earned I can buy trinkets.

I don’t see a grind at all. The game play is a lot more action-orientated, and as such it comes off very similar to a lot of other games out there, rather it’s console, pc or even a different genre.

When I play, I’m a crafty illusionist who takes on a mission to stop the Svanir from invading a Kodan sanctuary and as a result to eliminating some of the threats, I get some nice rewards. That being just one of many examples of course.

The rewards are not the only reason to play Guild Wars 2. If you believe that, then your opinion should be negated 99.9% of the time. :P

I believe Anet was referring more to stats when they were talking about there being no grind. It is very easy to get exotic level stats. And that makes all of the content easily accessible. You don’t have to farm these dungeons again and again just to move on to harder dungeons like in other MMO’s. Get some exotic gear, do almost everything. You want a cool look? Then you have to put a little effort in.

And honestly, speaking from years of experience from other MMO’s, the only way to make token gear easier to get is if they put in a vendor where it was free to grab. I was surprised at how fast I got a full set of it. I mean what are people interested in doing in this game if not doing content? Looking pretty afk in Lions Arch?