Guild Wars 2

I don’t math well :X

My current build on build-craft (http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/warrior/?8.0|1.1g.h2|7.1g.h2.g.1g.h1j|1g.7e.1g.7e.1g.7e.1g.7e.1g.7e.1g.7e|2s.d14.2s.d14.3s.d1a.1g.67.1g.67.2s.d1a|k59.u3ab.0.0.k65|54.j|0.0.0.0.0|e)
With 5 Mesmer + Ruby: 7181 EffPower
With 6 Ruby: 7278 EffPower

Reason why I actually roll with Scholars is that I need just 25% up-time for 90% health to get on-par with Ruby Orbs and since there are so many encounters where you are > 90% of time above 90% it really pays off.

Wethospu.6437:

My current build on build-craft (http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/warrior/?8.0|1.1g.h2|7.1g.h2.g.1g.h1j|1g.7e.1g.7e.1g.7e.1g.7e.1g.7e.1g.7e|2s.d14.2s.d14.3s.d1a.1g.67.1g.67.2s.d1a|k59.u3ab.0.0.k65|54.j|0.0.0.0.0|e)
With 5 Mesmer + Ruby: 7181 EffPower
With 6 Ruby: 7278 EffPower

Reason why I actually roll with Scholars is that I need just 25% up-time for 90% health to get on-par with Ruby Orbs and since there are so many encounters where you are > 90% of time above 90% it really pays off.

Effective Power is a broken statistic, sorry :/ Do you even know what it is?

Buildcraft picks and chooses which traits and stats it wants to acknowledge, it’s a great site, but not for ironing out how much damage you do.

How did you calculate the 25% uptime number for the runes of scholar?

I can see that you are a CoF path 1 farmer, so yes scholar runes would be best for you.

Scootabuser.4915:

Wethospu.6437:

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I can see that you are a CoF path 1 farmer, so yes scholar runes would be best for you.

lol

Yes. “The Effective Power formula can be simplified to
Effective Power = Power × [1 + Critical Chance × (Critical Multiplier – 1)] × Damage Multiplier”

Last Scholar Rune gave 4 times as much EffPower as difference between 6 Ruby Orbs and 5 Scholar Runes.

Last time i checked EP on the website was wrong. Their posted formula is correct but the acutal number it gives you is wrong.

Scootabuser.4915:

I can see that you are a CoF path 1 farmer, so yes scholar runes would be best for you.

:/ In fact he is known to solo a wide variety of dungeons.

As regular CoF1 runner (one of the best I might add) I agree with Wethospu that scholar runes are in fact the best for dps.

I checked the math for some odd reason (and without a calculator) and 5 runes of the mes + 1 ruby orb has 65 more power but 20 less precision and 10% less crit damage.

Now I don’t have a formula for how much damage power adds but I don’t think 65 power is more than 10% crit damage.

Also rune of the scholar indeed wins overall.

WonderfulCT.6278:

I checked the math for some odd reason (and without a calculator) and 5 runes of the mes + 1 ruby orb has 65 more power but 20 less precision and 10% less crit damage.

Now I don’t have a formula for how much damage power adds but I don’t think 65 power is more than 10% crit damage.

Also rune of the scholar indeed wins overall.

The equation to calculate the power is actually in the original post.

And indeed I didn’t believe it was true either, 10% crit damage seems like such an awesome trait BUT…

Power increases your base damage in such a way that it will always be better then crit damage, it’s in the math, and I didn’t realize it till I started playing around with the numbers.

This is the same reason why truffle steak (power percision) is the top DPS food now (that pies are gone).

Wethospu.6437:

Yes. “The Effective Power formula can be simplified to
Effective Power = Power × [1 + Critical Chance × (Critical Multiplier – 1)] × Damage Multiplier”

Last Scholar Rune gave 4 times as much EffPower as difference between 6 Ruby Orbs and 5 Scholar Runes.

2 things are wrong with EffPower
1. It doesn’t take into account attack/ability speed or weapon damage, so comparing EffPower between different classes will lose it’s usefulness or something.
2. The website only takes into account SOME of the damage modifiers, there are a few traits like the 20% damage under 50% that the website doesn’t pick up on.

@ Scootabuser, thanks very much for this research, I’ll be sure to try out this new combo and see the difference :P

swiftpaw.6397:

@ Scootabuser, thanks very much for this research, I’ll be sure to try out this new combo and see the difference :P

You won’t lol :P that’s the funny thing!

Scootabuser.4915:

2 things are wrong with EffPower
1. It doesn’t take into account attack/ability speed or weapon damage, so comparing EffPower between different classes will lose it’s usefulness or something.
2. The website only takes into account SOME of the damage modifiers, there are a few traits like the 20% damage under 50% that the website doesn’t pick up on.

And those points are relevant to this topic because…?

Power × [1 + Critical Chance × (Critical Multiplier – 1)] × Damage Multiplier.

With 5 Mesmer + Ruby I get: 2870 Power (with 15 Might), 89% CritChance (2088 Precision + 13 CritChance + Fury), 2.39 CritMultiplier, 1.56 DamageMultiplier
That’s: 10016.

With 6 Orbs: 2805 Power (with 15 Might), 90% CritChance, 2.49 Crit, 1.56 Damage
That’s: 10243.

Unless buildcraft gives me completely off numbers I simply fail to see this Mesmer Rune thing.

Regarding the 90% Critchance, 10% Critdmg is 9% Dmg overall.
So how does 65 Power increase your overall damage by 9%? Do you have 916 Base Power with Armor, Trinkets, etc?

haviz.1340:

As regular CoF1 runner (one of the best I might add) I agree with Wethospu that scholar runes are in fact the best for dps.

Way to toot your own horn, buddy. Just wondering, how did you determine that you were one of the best? Was there a contest?

On topic, Scholar runes clearly offer the highest potential DPS but let’s be real: the average player in this game complained about the Daily Dodger Events because dodging isn’t something they are comfortable with. I’m not sure it’s realistic for people to run out and buy Scholar Runes that being the case.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

haviz.1340:

As regular CoF1 runner (one of the best I might add) I agree with Wethospu that scholar runes are in fact the best for dps.

Way to toot your own horn, buddy. Just wondering, how did you determine that you were one of the best? Was there a contest?

I think you missed the point

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

haviz.1340:

As regular CoF1 runner (one of the best I might add) I agree with Wethospu that scholar runes are in fact the best for dps.

Way to toot your own horn, buddy. Just wondering, how did you determine that you were one of the best? Was there a contest?

lol

Wethospu.6437:

Scootabuser.4915:

2 things are wrong with EffPower
1. It doesn’t take into account attack/ability speed or weapon damage, so comparing EffPower between different classes will lose it’s usefulness or something.
2. The website only takes into account SOME of the damage modifiers, there are a few traits like the 20% damage under 50% that the website doesn’t pick up on.

And those points are relevant to this topic because…?

Power × [1 + Critical Chance × (Critical Multiplier – 1)] × Damage Multiplier.

With 5 Mesmer + Ruby I get: 2870 Power (with 15 Might), 89% CritChance (2088 Precision + 13 CritChance + Fury), 2.39 CritMultiplier, 1.56 DamageMultiplier
That’s: 10016.

With 6 Orbs: 2805 Power (with 15 Might), 90% CritChance, 2.49 Crit, 1.56 Damage
That’s: 10243.

Unless buildcraft gives me completely off numbers I simply fail to see this Mesmer Rune thing.

Your math is wrong

Scootabuser.4915:

Wethospu.6437:

Scootabuser.4915:

2 things are wrong with EffPower
1. It doesn’t take into account attack/ability speed or weapon damage, so comparing EffPower between different classes will lose it’s usefulness or something.
2. The website only takes into account SOME of the damage modifiers, there are a few traits like the 20% damage under 50% that the website doesn’t pick up on.

And those points are relevant to this topic because…?

Power × [1 + Critical Chance × (Critical Multiplier – 1)] × Damage Multiplier.

With 5 Mesmer + Ruby I get: 2870 Power (with 15 Might), 89% CritChance (2088 Precision + 13 CritChance + Fury), 2.39 CritMultiplier, 1.56 DamageMultiplier
That’s: 10016.

With 6 Orbs: 2805 Power (with 15 Might), 90% CritChance, 2.49 Crit, 1.56 Damage
That’s: 10243.

Unless buildcraft gives me completely off numbers I simply fail to see this Mesmer Rune thing.

Your math is wrong

You can’t really just say “Your math is wrong” without bothering to explain it. I mean, you can, and you clearly did, but it’s a pretty poor way of arguing your point. If the math is wrong, show where.