The Simple Reason why i Stopped playing raids
I agree with your points, and I dislike the raid system in this game presently as well. However, you have to remember that raiding in WoW didn’t start w/ a LFG tool. Raiding in WoW has evolved heavily over time. I suspect (or maybe just hope) that this will be the case with GW2.
I thought there are many guilds recruiting for raid in GW2 Looking for section? Did you try applying to any of them? While you may not get speedrun results but at least you can try with likeminded people at your own time.
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I started by using the LFG, either by putting up an lfg myself lf a raid with what classes i played, or sometimes i joined raids that were advertising. If u just sit and watch the LFG for a min or two u often get a shot. And as u make it into raids, make sure to connect with them and add ppl, and eventually u dont have to spend so much time forming raids as u have ppl to form with or to join.
Yes the current implementation is rough, but if u do the above then all who got skillz can do it. We cant always be handheld the entire way.
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I started by using the LFG, either by putting up an lfg myself lf a raid with what classes i played, or sometimes i joined raids that were advertising. If u just sit and watch the LFG for a min or two u often get a shot. And as u make it into raids, make sure to connect with them and add ppl, and eventually u dont have to spend so much time forming raids as u have ppl to form with or to join.
Yes the current implementation is rough, but if u do the above then all who got skillz can do it. We cant always be handheld the entire way.
So instead of having a tab for raid, we should polute the exploration mode tab?
I thought there are many guilds recruiting for raid in GW2 Looking for section? Did you try applying to any of them? While you may not get speedrun results but at least you can try with likeminded people at your own time.
The big problem with recruiting guilds is that a good majority of them are a core guild that does raids rather than just a standalone guild solely for raids.
In other words, you’re effectively signing up for a new guild in order to do raids. For some folks that may not be a problem taking up a new title. But it’s not that great of a deal for folks that belong to a more casual community that meets all their needs but just aren’t skilled/committed enough for raids.
I started by using the LFG, either by putting up an lfg myself lf a raid with what classes i played, or sometimes i joined raids that were advertising. If u just sit and watch the LFG for a min or two u often get a shot. And as u make it into raids, make sure to connect with them and add ppl, and eventually u dont have to spend so much time forming raids as u have ppl to form with or to join.
Yes the current implementation is rough, but if u do the above then all who got skillz can do it. We cant always be handheld the entire way.
So instead of having a tab for raid, we should polute the exploration mode tab?
It must be hard to live in a world where everything is black and white. I addressed that the LFG is rough and we all know it needs more sections, not just for raids.
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I thought there are many guilds recruiting for raid in GW2 Looking for section? Did you try applying to any of them? While you may not get speedrun results but at least you can try with likeminded people at your own time.
The big problem with recruiting guilds is that a good majority of them are a core guild that does raids rather than just a standalone guild solely for raids.
In other words, you’re effectively signing up for a new guild in order to do raids. For some folks that may not be a problem taking up a new title. But it’s not that great of a deal for folks that belong to a more casual community that meets all their needs but just aren’t skilled/committed enough for raids.
I guess that’s a problem but its also expected. Raid is supposedly done with a core members of a group and people should also acknowledge the efforts of others when it comes to creating a raid team and setting up schedules. I mean nowadays lacking skill is no excuse as there are loads of videos and written guides up for raid boss/profession. Committing to a schedule or a set group might be difficult but since we are playing with real people behind monitor screens, we should also to a degree expect certain challenges when it comes to social interaction in GW2.
LFG for raid could be good but its not the ultimate solution. The same problems will persist and people will still complain. I agree its a bit saddening to see some people can’t complete raid contents due to lack of group but that is also a natural thing for end game content. Not everyone gets to compete for thousands of dollars in ESL proleague, and not everyone will get to raid due to their personal problems.
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Having LFG tool in such obscure state months into the expansion is just so shameful for the company…
I hope they are preparing glorious, vision-fulfilling restart for the tool because it just takes too long.
I thought there are many guilds recruiting for raid in GW2 Looking for section? Did you try applying to any of them? While you may not get speedrun results but at least you can try with likeminded people at your own time.
The big problem with recruiting guilds is that a good majority of them are a core guild that does raids rather than just a standalone guild solely for raids.
In other words, you’re effectively signing up for a new guild in order to do raids. For some folks that may not be a problem taking up a new title. But it’s not that great of a deal for folks that belong to a more casual community that meets all their needs but just aren’t skilled/committed enough for raids.
I guess that’s a problem but its also expected. Raid is supposedly done with a core members of a group and people should also acknowledge the efforts of others when it comes to creating a raid team and setting up schedules. I mean nowadays lacking skill is no excuse as there are loads of videos and written guides up for raid boss/profession. Committing to a schedule or a set group might be difficult but since we are playing with real people behind monitor screens, we should also to a degree expect certain challenges when it comes to social interaction in GW2.
LFG for raid could be good but its not the ultimate solution. The same problems will persist and people will still complain. I agree its a bit saddening to see some people can’t complete raid contents due to lack of group but that is also a natural thing for end game content. Not everyone gets to compete for thousands of dollars in ESL proleague, and not everyone will get to raid due to their personal problems.
But everyone has the tools to be in the ESL prolegues: Play in pvp.
In the case of raids it’s a lack of tool driven by Anet’s desire to keep us from deciding how we want to play: in an organized group or a pug group.
I don’t rly have this issue because I have my own raid group, but the few times that I did pug the LFG was a major annoyance. The obvious thing is ofc that open world is littered with everything from map events to ppl selling jp already, and then in comes the raid posts. However what I found most annoying was that after a few min your LFG disappears automatically and after reposting 2 or 3 times your message is suddenly suppressed.
I realize that anet had originally not planned for raids in LFG, but pugs are clearing it fine atm so why not give them a helpful tool to find a group quicker?
No no no no no!
Do NOT make gw2 as the lfg raid that is current wow. It is completly horrible and have all but ruined the way that wow does raids! Raids in wow is NOTHING like it was before, when it was actually good. DO NOT DO THIS.
It will ruin the small incentive to actually do raids, like in wow it will become a part of your weekly routine and totally ruin the experience of raids being special.
If you want to do raids, you should have to work for it. If you want the easy way, do the 56,67,77 fractals, they are ruined already. Don’t bloody ruin raids! It’s bad enough as it is, don’t make it even worse!
No no no no no!
Do NOT make gw2 as the lfg raid that is current wow. It is completly horrible and have all but ruined the way that wow does raids! Raids in wow is NOTHING like it was before, when it was actually good. DO NOT DO THIS.
It will ruin the small incentive to actually do raids, like in wow it will become a part of your weekly routine and totally ruin the experience of raids being special.
If you want to do raids, you should have to work for it. If you want the easy way, do the 56,67,77 fractals, they are ruined already. Don’t bloody ruin raids! It’s bad enough as it is, don’t make it even worse!
To someone who never played WoW this makes 0 sense… xD
No no no no no!
Do NOT make gw2 as the lfg raid that is current wow. It is completly horrible and have all but ruined the way that wow does raids! Raids in wow is NOTHING like it was before, when it was actually good. DO NOT DO THIS.
It will ruin the small incentive to actually do raids, like in wow it will become a part of your weekly routine and totally ruin the experience of raids being special.
If you want to do raids, you should have to work for it. If you want the easy way, do the 56,67,77 fractals, they are ruined already. Don’t bloody ruin raids! It’s bad enough as it is, don’t make it even worse!
To someone who never played WoW this makes 0 sense… xD
Long story short. Easy lfg access have destroyed the one thing that wow was good at, which was raids.
Raids is no longer special, you auto join with randoms into a raid to do your weekly, because raids is suppose to be for everyone. There is no community feeling, only rage and children screaming at each other.
The encounters are kitten because people who don’t normally raid, can’t do them properly, so the encounters are nerfed into the ground so everyone can do them. Even then, raids still fail. So the encounter receive nerf after nerf because people whine that it is to hard.
The raids doesn’t stand for anything anymore but getting your weekly upgrade in gear. It takes zero skill to complete, you mostly just zerg the encounters, everyone has the same gear setup. Everyone looks the same. It’s complete and utter kitten.
Those players who actually do hardcore raiding, have received something called heroic raiding, but it’s little to zero difference between the encounters and most of the real raiding guilds have quit the game.
Raiding should demand more of you than normal dungeons.
It should take more skill to down a boss.
You should have to give up something to raid, having the best possible gear, the best possible setup, the best possible buffs, talented raid comrades, a solid strategy and still have a chance to fail.
Yes, you should have to give up time to raid. Otherwise don’t do it. Better yet, find a raiding guild or make your own, create a community and accomplish raids together, even if you only do it once a week.
Otherwise what is the point? When there is no feeling of accomplishment anymore for people who want to work hard and not simply feel that everything we do is a grind, that skill is actually involved in what we do. Shall we become another wow clone and nerf raids into the ground like fractals? Because that will happen, I guarantee it if we get an easier lfg that brings in people not ready to raid.
When will there actually exist an incentive for hardcore players in this game that will be left alone? It doesn’t exist in spvp, wvw, fractals or normal pve. At least let us have something.
Raids should be one thing that you need a solid group/template to complete, so you can at least get a feeling of accomplishing something through skill in this game and not simply grinding for it.
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Every point you listed is not in line with GW2 raids. LOL!
Took me 3 runs of the dungeon to get the bug.
Every point you listed is not in line with GW2 raids. LOL!
I agree that a lot of the things I’ve mentioned isn’t in line with GW2 raids as it currently is.
But I also stated that in my earlier post that is is already bad, don’t make it worse.
It’s wouldn’t become worse. A subsection in the LFG would help raid groups to find and to look for the right people and others that are looking for open world things do not have to scroll through 50% of raid requests. That’s all.
Took me 3 runs of the dungeon to get the bug.
It’s wouldn’t become worse. A subsection in the LFG would help raid groups to find and to look for the right people and others that are looking for open world things do not have to scroll through 50% of raid requests. That’s all.
Well it didn’t work for WoW, EverQuest, Age of Conan or any other MMO I have played with raiding content.
But then again, GW2 is quite different in this regard as you say. I am a bit biased when it comes to pug lfg insta joins as well.
I still feel it’s a bad idea though. Raids should be made through guilds, not lfr. But that’s my opinion.
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What people want is just a tab dedicated to raids – not autoteams or anything like that.
Why? because otherwise people are forced to spam raid groups in the open world lfg category. It’s happening. It should be happening – but in its own category.
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It’s wouldn’t become worse. A subsection in the LFG would help raid groups to find and to look for the right people and others that are looking for open world things do not have to scroll through 50% of raid requests. That’s all.
Well it didn’t work for WoW, EverQuest, Age of Conan or any other MMO I have played with raiding content.
But then again, GW2 is quite different in this regard as you say. I am a bit biased when it comes to pug lfg insta joins as well.
I still feel it’s a bad idea though. Raids should be made through guilds, not lfr. But that’s my opinion.
You didn’t get it, did ya? Learn to read and have a look at the lfg.
There, you will see uncountable raid requests every day, well at least 50% of all listed things in the open world tab are referring to raids. It would have 0 influence on the things you mentioned if there is a subsection for “raids”.
You will see the same requests, offers and so on like now with the difference that open world players and raiders aren’t annoyed by thousands of entries that are listed at the moment.
Your whole argumentation is bullkitten btw.
Took me 3 runs of the dungeon to get the bug.
Well it didn’t work for WoW, EverQuest, Age of Conan or any other MMO I have played with raiding content.
But then again, GW2 is quite different in this regard as you say. I am a bit biased when it comes to pug lfg insta joins as well.
I still feel it’s a bad idea though. Raids should be made through guilds, not lfr. But that’s my opinion.
It’s not the same thing. A LFG tab isn’t the reason other games’ raid changed. You just assume hey other game added a LFR option and then after became bad. So that mean that everygame that add a LFR option will become bad.
But that’s not true. The reason raid became that way is because they nerfed them (I assume because you said so, but I never raided in those game). The LFR option is just a quality of life option, it doesn’t change the raid itself
Nerfing the raid would be a totally different thing and that would be problematic.
Keep in mind that not everybody have a community or a pre-made group. A lot of people play alone or just with friends. Some have 2-3 friends and want to find other people to complete the raid. Other are in guild that doesn’t raid. Others just want to test raid to see if they will like it.
Of course ideally, they should find or create a community. But often they find that by raiding with pugs. With pugs you will still raid for like 2-3 hours, talking to each other you find 2-3 people that you like become friend in game, continue to raid together and the group growth with each pug group.
A LFR tab is a good thing. Nerfing raid so that they are easy to farm in pugs is a bad thing. Power Creep the game so that raid become easy to farm in pugs is a bad thing.
Different issue.
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It’s wouldn’t become worse. A subsection in the LFG would help raid groups to find and to look for the right people and others that are looking for open world things do not have to scroll through 50% of raid requests. That’s all.
Well it didn’t work for WoW, EverQuest, Age of Conan or any other MMO I have played with raiding content.
But then again, GW2 is quite different in this regard as you say. I am a bit biased when it comes to pug lfg insta joins as well.
I still feel it’s a bad idea though. Raids should be made through guilds, not lfr. But that’s my opinion.
You didn’t get it, did ya? Learn to read and have a look at the lfg.
There, you will see uncountable raid requests every day, well at least 50% of all listed things in the open world tab are referring to raids. It would have 0 influence on the things you mentioned if there is a subsection for “raids”.
You will see the same requests, offers and so on like now with the difference that open world players and raiders aren’t annoyed by thousands of entries that are listed at the moment.
Your whole argumentation is bullkitten btw.
Okey, that turned around fast, I’m guessing you took this personally considering how hostile you went in one comment simply because we really aren’t talking about the same thing.
I got you perfectly fine and it’s not 50%, more like 30% perhaps. I understand quite well that you want a better lfr section for raids because of the current one being quite useless. I’m simply stating that creating a lfr tool for raids isn’t the best way to go as a mmo from the start, because of consequences that can come later down the road.
Anyways I’m leaving this discussion with you if you can’t talk in a civil tone without getting angry/annoyed.
Well, you are a funny guy, really!
Took me 3 runs of the dungeon to get the bug.
It’s not the same thing. A LFG tab isn’t the reason other games’ raid changed. You just assume hey other game added a LFR option and then after became bad. So that mean that everygame that add a LFR option will become bad.
But that’s not true. The reason raid became that way is because they nerfed them (I assume because you said so, but I never raided in those game). The LFR option is just a quality of life option, it doesn’t change the raid itself
Nerfing the raid would be a totally different thing and that would be problematic.
Keep in mind that not everybody have a community or a pre-made group. A lot of people play alone or just with friends. Some have 2-3 friends and want to find other people to complete the raid. Other are in guild that doesn’t raid. Others just want to test raid to see if they will like it.
Of course ideally, they should find or create a community. But often they find that by raiding with pugs. With pugs you will still raid for like 2-3 hours, talking to each other you find 2-3 people that you like become friend in game, continue to raid together and the group growth with each pug group.
A LFR tab is a good thing. Nerfing raid so that they are easy to farm in pugs is a bad thing. Power Creep the game so that raid become easy to farm in pugs is a bad thing.
Different issue.
I do understand quite well that I am speaking to deaf ears atm. Again GW2 is for casual players which should have access to all the content as a non-casual, it’s the same in wvw, spvp, pve, fractals, why not raids as well.
So I’m not going to bother with this anymore, have your lfr section. But I’m telling you this, once this goes live, because why would it not? Check out the state the raids are in now, compared to a year or two from now.
ArenaNet will nerf raids into oblivion, because of the whines that will come to these forums, that the content is to hard. The raids take to long, the farm every week takes to much of their time. Rewards are way to bad compared to the effort it takes, why can’t I have The Ethernal title, etc. In the end, it may be in a worse state than fractals.
I’m sad to say, that I think, with this, it may end up being a slippery slope.
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So I’m not going to bother with this anymore, have your lfr section. But I’m telling you this, once this goes live, because why would it not? Check out the state the raids are in now, compared to a year or two from now.
ArenaNet will nerf raids into oblivion, because of the whines that will come to these forums, that the content is to hard. The raids take to long, the farm every week takes to much of their time. Rewards are way to bad compared to the effort it takes, why can’t I have The Ethernal title, etc. In the end, it may be in a worse state than fractals.
I’m sad to say, that I think, with this, it may end up being a slippery slope.
We already have an LFR section; it’s just piled in with the rest of the open world events. Adding a different section for raids will just help to clean up the tab because right now you got Silverwastes, Dry Top, VB Meta, AB Meta, TD Meta, DS Meta, Teq boss, Shatter boss, Jumping puzzles, Player instance nodes, miscellaneous open world achievements, and Raid LFR all piling into one tab. That doesn’t even include the posts that are incorrectly posted in open world either.
It’s not like we’re asking for a fully automated auto-join/auto-party. Those things tend to be disastrous and give a false sense of lesser quality of the content you queued up for; it’s not the content that was bad it was your team that was trash.
The quality and overall difficulty of the raid and possibly nerfing it? Well, that’s on the Anet team to decide, but a cleaner LFG tab should be completely independent of that decision. If they want to uphold they’re claim to being casual friendly I forsee a nerf of sort incoming. However, if they’re standing on the decision that raids are the only (currently) hardcore content then the difficulty is fine where it is right now. The only thing that will make them seem easier is the fact that more people have gotten hands on experience playing through them….which we would have more people if we have more polished tools.
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I do understand quite well that I am speaking to deaf ears atm. Again GW2 is for casual players which should have access to all the content as a non-casual, it’s the same in wvw, spvp, pve, fractals, why not raids as well.
You are the one who seems not to listen to others. It might be hard for you to believe but even those without super organised guilds can be non-casual, some of these lone players are better than vast majority of the community, they put time into getting gear and improving their skills. Why do you think these people should be lock out of raids for the one reason that they are currently not part of community that can squeeze out 10 players anytime they want to raid?
If you are consider yourself non-casual because you are in a guild that has sufficient numbers for raids, then what is the difference between such guildies and pugs from lfg? Just bodies to fill the party.
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We desperately need a LFG tool overhaul. I’m absolutely astonished that it’s taken this long for something that (should be) relatively simple.
Couple things that should be in the game by now:
- Squads should be able to list in LFG
- Raids and individual meta events should have their own section
- No default tab open, people are abusing this for visibility. You should have to select what you are looking for before you see other people LFG.
- Squads should be able to list in LFG
Everything else I agree with, but this one I’m not so sure about. I actually think that the current system of posting an lfg saying your group needs x for a raid, and then having interested people join a party before getting invited to the actual squad is quite useful for filtering potential pugs. If the squad listed straight onto the lfg it would only be able to take one person at a time (assuming you already have 9 of course), who then has to have whatever requirements the group has checked, then kick them and repost if they’re not what you want, and the whole system is slowed down. The current way, you can get four at once, then pick the most suitable.
There’s also potential issue with people joining and clogging up the squad when they don’t even have the class you’re asking for. Which really shouldn’t happen, but it does.
Of course, if they overhauled the lfg to have some kind of filter involved, that’d be a different case, but I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
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What people want is just a tab dedicated to raids – not autoteams or anything like that.
Why? because otherwise people are forced to spam raid groups in the open world lfg category. It’s happening. It should be happening – but in its own category.
And let’s be honest. As you have mentioned LFG’s are happening, and will continue to happen anyway. The only question is whether they will stay in open world category, making finding/joining real open world lfg’s harder, or will they receive their own tab, so that both raiders and nonraiders can live in peace.
Seriously, i am as much an anti-raid person as it’s possible to be, but this actually is a reasonable request. I don’t see how introducing it might hurt anyone, and why some people might be against it.
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Seriously, i am as much an anti-raid person as it’s possible to be, but this actually is a reasonable request. I don’t see how introducing it might hurt anyone, and why some people might be against it.
Yeah I think when a relatively simple suggestion manages to get people who hate raids and people who love them on the same side, you can be pretty confident it’s a good plan.
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- Squads should be able to list in LFG
Everything else I agree with, but this one I’m not so sure about. I actually think that the current system of posting an lfg saying your group needs x for a raid, and then having interested people join a party before getting invited to the actual squad is quite useful for filtering potential pugs. If the squad listed straight onto the lfg it would only be able to take one person at a time (assuming you already have 9 of course), who then has to have whatever requirements the group has checked, then kick them and repost if they’re not what you want, and the whole system is slowed down. The current way, you can get four at once, then pick the most suitable.
There’s also potential issue with people joining and clogging up the squad when they don’t even have the class you’re asking for. Which really shouldn’t happen, but it does.
Of course, if they overhauled the lfg to have some kind of filter involved, that’d be a different case, but I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
I disagree with that. If they allow squad to post LFG that doesn’t mean that you are obligated to use that function. If you want to leave the squad post as a party and filter the people one by one, then you can still do that. But with the squad the commander can kick anybody, no need for a vote. So they can take 9 people in and just kick who they want. At least people will have the choice between the two option.
But frankly, I’m would be more happy with the Squad working with the LFG for open world content. I want to make meta event work so I often want to taxi people in and tag up. Taxing large amount of people can be frustrating unless you can keep 1 person in the party at all time, but even then you need to repost your LFG several time. With the Squad LFG option, I could tag up and then taxi like 49 people. That would be the best for meta event. Of course squad couldn’t show the profession icon on the LFG.
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But frankly, I’m would be more happy with the Squad working with the LFG for open world content.
Yes. Being able to form a raid from a squad will probably be just as easy but the main QoL fix is how much easier it’ll be to taxi players for meta events. We won’t need 10 people trying to taxi into the same map. One commander can slap on a tag and start a LFG post and taxi in as many people as they want.