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Posted by: Glael.7643

Glael.7643

Well what I think is more of a community problem is that if you want to raid but you got a low amount of Li you can’t get into a group nor guild. I really want to raid properly but I only got 5 Li and it doesn’t really matter from which boss I got them since people won’t let you even join for vg without having 100 + Li. (even if you got your low amount from said boss or the boss you want to do).
Is it just me or is this just ridicoulus? For me it is like saying : you can’t join on ascalon dungeon without having around 1k dungeon marks.
How can I get raid experience if I can’t join a group or a guild because I lack on Li?
Ofc the more Li you got the more experienced you are but tbh it gives new-ish raiders 0 chances to get into it :/
Also I think it would make it easier if the Li would show from which boss you got them.
Yes I might be complaining but for me it also kinda destroys the community :/

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Posted by: Amineo.8951

Amineo.8951

Well what I think is more of a community problem is that if you want to raid but you got a low amount of Li you can’t get into a group nor guild. I really want to raid properly but I only got 5 Li and it doesn’t really matter from which boss I got them since people won’t let you even join for vg without having 100 + Li. (even if you got your low amount from said boss or the boss you want to do).
Is it just me or is this just ridicoulus? For me it is like saying : you can’t join on ascalon dungeon without having around 1k dungeon marks.
How can I get raid experience if I can’t join a group or a guild because I lack on Li?
Ofc the more Li you got the more experienced you are but tbh it gives new-ish raiders 0 chances to get into it :/
Also I think it would make it easier if the Li would show from which boss you got them.
Yes I might be complaining but for me it also kinda destroys the community :/

Not only that, but this is a material used for Legendary Armor crafting, it’s not an indicator of skill at all, I’ve seen groups which ask for 100 LI and want to be carried.

You should get inside a friendly guild or something (unfortunately mine is doing raids with 2 groups on Mondays and I can’t get in there at all, I don’t have time to login at that point), right now raiding is in a bad spot for PUGs, I mean when you have low LIs and no spammable killproofs…

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Posted by: Tornupto.2304

Tornupto.2304

There are guilds out there who recruit players who are new to raiding. You just have to take a look.

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Posted by: Amaimon.7823

Amaimon.7823

Look for RTI on Enjin. They do a lot of runs without LI requirements

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Posted by: Glael.7643

Glael.7643

Well what I think is more of a community problem is that if you want to raid but you got a low amount of Li you can’t get into a group nor guild. I really want to raid properly but I only got 5 Li and it doesn’t really matter from which boss I got them since people won’t let you even join for vg without having 100 + Li. (even if you got your low amount from said boss or the boss you want to do).
Is it just me or is this just ridicoulus? For me it is like saying : you can’t join on ascalon dungeon without having around 1k dungeon marks.
How can I get raid experience if I can’t join a group or a guild because I lack on Li?
Ofc the more Li you got the more experienced you are but tbh it gives new-ish raiders 0 chances to get into it :/
Also I think it would make it easier if the Li would show from which boss you got them.
Yes I might be complaining but for me it also kinda destroys the community :/

Not only that, but this is a material used for Legendary Armor crafting, it’s not an indicator of skill at all, I’ve seen groups which ask for 100 LI and want to be carried.

You should get inside a friendly guild or something (unfortunately mine is doing raids with 2 groups on Mondays and I can’t get in there at all, I don’t have time to login at that point), right now raiding is in a bad spot for PUGs, I mean when you have low LIs and no spammable killproofs…

And even those who have like 100 Li might have them only from Vg and escort. <they still might not know anything about for example Gorseval, but they still can join because… duh… 100 Li
Idk why people use this as an indicator of skill and/or experience.

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

Only hope is to get into guild that has training groups, OP. Chances to get into raids with low LI are non-existent atm. Given how Anet also approved dps meters, expect even more toxicity in raid groups now.

I personally laugh at whole LI requirements, given i killed most bosses with guilds but at those times i didn’t even have 50 LI. I kill 9 bosses every week now and i still don’t fill requirements of every group. From my experience so far, those who ask for 200+ LI just want to get carried and are actually really bad, period. I had better Xera/Matt kills with groups that asked maybe 70 LI than those asking for 200 (those usually failed anyway).

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Posted by: LezardValeth.9453

LezardValeth.9453

Now its not only LI, the “hardcore” raid community is not only demanding 300+ LI, but to ping Envoy Armor as well. Not naming anyone here, but I joined a squad like that who was on the third boss and mocked the commander for the requirements, and then pinged the boss token you get from the third boss just to rub it in his face more.

I’m only at 60+ LI, but I noticed that the same squad was still in the LFG after an hour, which made me believe they were having trouble either finding members, or having trouble with the boss. If the latter was true, then rubbing it in was all the more satisfying.

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Posted by: Wasabi Kitty.8247

Wasabi Kitty.8247

There’s plenty of guilds that recruit people for raids without LI requirements.

Anet make Rev great again.

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Posted by: thrag.9740

thrag.9740

I think this situation will improve now that dps meters are being allowed. My guild has 1 guy who runs a meter, and when we fill an empty slot with a pug, he lets us know if they are good, and that’s the end of it.

Of course, high dps doesn’t guarantee you know mechanics, but generally they go hand in hand.

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

I think this situation will improve now that dps meters are being allowed. My guild has 1 guy who runs a meter, and when we fill an empty slot with a pug, he lets us know if they are good, and that’s the end of it.

Of course, high dps doesn’t guarantee you know mechanics, but generally they go hand in hand.

DPS meters just force layers into selfish gameplay – so no rezzes, no avoiding dmg etc. – all for the sake of maximizing dps otherwise you just gonna get kicked because you dared to do 1% less dmg!!! (nobody cares that you lose that dps because you went to rez someone or due to crappy RNG like getting poison on Matt few times in a row). This happened in wow, this will happen here.

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Posted by: thrag.9740

thrag.9740

DPS meters just force layers into selfish gameplay – so no rezzes, no avoiding dmg etc. – all for the sake of maximizing dps otherwise you just gonna get kicked because you dared to do 1% less dmg!!! (nobody cares that you lose that dps because you went to rez someone or due to crappy RNG like getting poison on Matt few times in a row). This happened in wow, this will happen here.

If you think that maxing dps means not avoiding damage, then you are very uninformed. You should try being the commander yourself if you believe your commander is so incompetent.

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

DPS meters just force layers into selfish gameplay – so no rezzes, no avoiding dmg etc. – all for the sake of maximizing dps otherwise you just gonna get kicked because you dared to do 1% less dmg!!! (nobody cares that you lose that dps because you went to rez someone or due to crappy RNG like getting poison on Matt few times in a row). This happened in wow, this will happen here.

If you think that maxing dps means not avoiding damage, then you are very uninformed. You should try being the commander yourself if you believe your commander is so incompetent.

I have years of experience of those dps meters in wow, smart commanders are extremely rare.

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Posted by: AmaneSaiko.3417

AmaneSaiko.3417

I think this situation will improve now that dps meters are being allowed. My guild has 1 guy who runs a meter, and when we fill an empty slot with a pug, he lets us know if they are good, and that’s the end of it.

Of course, high dps doesn’t guarantee you know mechanics, but generally they go hand in hand.

DPS meters just force layers into selfish gameplay – so no rezzes, no avoiding dmg etc. – all for the sake of maximizing dps otherwise you just gonna get kicked because you dared to do 1% less dmg!!! (nobody cares that you lose that dps because you went to rez someone or due to crappy RNG like getting poison on Matt few times in a row). This happened in wow, this will happen here.

Raiders have been running DPS meters for months now and I am still to see someone get kicked for doing slightly less damage. Commanders are not stupid, any one who knows what they are doing are not just looking at damage, they are looking at boon uptime and mechanics too. And if your commander doesn’t know what they are doing and kicking people for slightly less damage due to actually doing mechanics then be thankful and find a group with a good commander.

It’s funny you bring up rezzing because I spent all of yesterday in Bastion yelling REZ at people so they would not create domino down effects. You know who I would have kicked? The ones not dropping their dps to rez. It’s not the DPS meters forcing them to not rez, it’s either ‘others will do it’ or ‘its the druid’s job’.

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Posted by: Vinceman.4572

Vinceman.4572

Raiders have been running DPS meters for months now

That’s untrue, almost all groups in the LFG were not running with dps meters. Maybe some static groups were doing it regularly but most of them definitely not. Also because nobody was sure to not get banned for it.

Took me 3 runs of the dungeon to get the bug.

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Posted by: AmaneSaiko.3417

AmaneSaiko.3417

Raiders have been running DPS meters for months now

That’s untrue, almost all groups in the LFG were not running with dps meters. Maybe some static groups were doing it regularly but most of them definitely not. Also because nobody was sure to not get banned for it.

When I pugged, there were a lot of people on my BGDM, so yes people in pugs have been running DPS meters for a bit now just no one would advertise they were running one.

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Posted by: Illconceived Was Na.9781

Illconceived Was Na.9781

When there is no tool to measure someone’s skill, people rely on anything that they can use as a proxy, no matter how misleading or inaccurate. The thinking usually is: “better we exclude a few good players and reduce the chances of wasting time.”

In theory, that would serve the purpose, if the demographics worked out. For example, if 90% of the people with < 50 LI were “scrubs” and only 10% of those with >100 LI, then clearly, limiting LFG by LI would make a huge difference: on average, you might be stuck with only 1 problem child instead of 9.

In practice, though, how good someone is for your group depends on many factors. People might be spending more more time looking for folks who meets numerical requirement rather than actually finding out if the people in the group are going to work together.

tl;dr there’s no good way to filter out people who might slow you down; people use LI because it’s there, not because it’s “good”

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Posted by: thrag.9740

thrag.9740

I have years of experience of those dps meters in wow, smart commanders are extremely rare.

Again, if that is how you feel, be your own commander.

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Posted by: Amaimon.7823

Amaimon.7823

The final issue is going to be, I can never actually spend my LI because then I lose the profit of entering raids.
Maybe players should get a title achievement. earn 1 point every kill, 5 if you do a wing complete (so 2 bonus points) and every 25 points is a title upgrade?

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Posted by: Glael.7643

Glael.7643

The final issue is going to be, I can never actually spend my LI because then I lose the profit of entering raids.
Maybe players should get a title achievement. earn 1 point every kill, 5 if you do a wing complete (so 2 bonus points) and every 25 points is a title upgrade?

Well they might see then your legendary armor but on the other side not everyone who raids wants to craft it. Some people just want to raid for the sake of raiding.
Maybe they should give us some accbound item which proofs how many times you killed a boss (example like having the heart of vg and the more hearts you got the more you killed him)
It would also give people who killed a specific boss like 10 times a better chance to get into a group if they want to kill it again.

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Posted by: Vez.7418

Vez.7418

I feel like I’m on the same boat. I’ve just started playing a couple of months ago (played a bit a few years back but there was no raid content back then).

Pretty much did all the content progression I could, got all masteries, explored all open world content/achievements, full ascendant gear, spec as per meta and over the last two weeks been trying to find a way into raiding (checking LFG, forums, any eventual recruitment shouts) but it seems I’ve hit a wall.

I have 0 LI and I have no clue how to get any since I can’t find any groups/guilds that do not request someone that raided already (in GW2) to some extent.

I know I’m coming late to the party, but are new players locked out completely from raiding content?

I saw a couple of posts about groups that accept new players like myself, if you know any, would you be so kind as to provide some more information I can look into (EU servers)?

Well what I think is more of a community problem is that if you want to raid but you got a low amount of Li you can’t get into a group nor guild. I really want to raid properly but I only got 5 Li and it doesn’t really matter from which boss I got them since people won’t let you even join for vg without having 100 + Li. (even if you got your low amount from said boss or the boss you want to do).
Is it just me or is this just ridicoulus? For me it is like saying : you can’t join on ascalon dungeon without having around 1k dungeon marks.
How can I get raid experience if I can’t join a group or a guild because I lack on Li?
Ofc the more Li you got the more experienced you are but tbh it gives new-ish raiders 0 chances to get into it :/
Also I think it would make it easier if the Li would show from which boss you got them.
Yes I might be complaining but for me it also kinda destroys the community :/

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Posted by: Wasabi Kitty.8247

Wasabi Kitty.8247

I feel like I’m on the same boat. I’ve just started playing a couple of months ago (played a bit a few years back but there was no raid content back then).

Pretty much did all the content progression I could, got all masteries, explored all open world content/achievements, full ascendant gear, spec as per meta and over the last two weeks been trying to find a way into raiding (checking LFG, forums, any eventual recruitment shouts) but it seems I’ve hit a wall.

I have 0 LI and I have no clue how to get any since I can’t find any groups/guilds that do not request someone that raided already (in GW2) to some extent.

I know I’m coming late to the party, but are new players locked out completely from raiding content?

I saw a couple of posts about groups that accept new players like myself, if you know any, would you be so kind as to provide some more information I can look into (EU servers)?

Well what I think is more of a community problem is that if you want to raid but you got a low amount of Li you can’t get into a group nor guild. I really want to raid properly but I only got 5 Li and it doesn’t really matter from which boss I got them since people won’t let you even join for vg without having 100 + Li. (even if you got your low amount from said boss or the boss you want to do).
Is it just me or is this just ridicoulus? For me it is like saying : you can’t join on ascalon dungeon without having around 1k dungeon marks.
How can I get raid experience if I can’t join a group or a guild because I lack on Li?
Ofc the more Li you got the more experienced you are but tbh it gives new-ish raiders 0 chances to get into it :/
Also I think it would make it easier if the Li would show from which boss you got them.
Yes I might be complaining but for me it also kinda destroys the community :/

There’s at least 5 EU guilds that are recruiting that don’t specify prior raid experience as a requirement on the first 2 pages alone.

Anet make Rev great again.

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Posted by: Amaimon.7823

Amaimon.7823

To everyone here who has trouble starting, look for a guild called RTI, they do all kinds of training runs, but also kill runs.
They’ve really helped me out

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Posted by: Shadowstep.6049

Shadowstep.6049

I feel like I’m on the same boat. I’ve just started playing a couple of months ago (played a bit a few years back but there was no raid content back then).

Pretty much did all the content progression I could, got all masteries, explored all open world content/achievements, full ascendant gear, spec as per meta and over the last two weeks been trying to find a way into raiding (checking LFG, forums, any eventual recruitment shouts) but it seems I’ve hit a wall.

I have 0 LI and I have no clue how to get any since I can’t find any groups/guilds that do not request someone that raided already (in GW2) to some extent.

I know I’m coming late to the party, but are new players locked out completely from raiding content?

I saw a couple of posts about groups that accept new players like myself, if you know any, would you be so kind as to provide some more information I can look into (EU servers)?

Well what I think is more of a community problem is that if you want to raid but you got a low amount of Li you can’t get into a group nor guild. I really want to raid properly but I only got 5 Li and it doesn’t really matter from which boss I got them since people won’t let you even join for vg without having 100 + Li. (even if you got your low amount from said boss or the boss you want to do).
Is it just me or is this just ridicoulus? For me it is like saying : you can’t join on ascalon dungeon without having around 1k dungeon marks.
How can I get raid experience if I can’t join a group or a guild because I lack on Li?
Ofc the more Li you got the more experienced you are but tbh it gives new-ish raiders 0 chances to get into it :/
Also I think it would make it easier if the Li would show from which boss you got them.
Yes I might be complaining but for me it also kinda destroys the community :/

There’s at least 5 EU guilds that are recruiting that don’t specify prior raid experience as a requirement on the first 2 pages alone.

yeah those guilds also
1. ask you for LIs anyway in game
2. don’t take you in raid unless literary nobody else showed up. So chances you get even VG kill are slim and you would have to wait for it weeks and months.

Have been in those guilds.

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Posted by: nagr.1593

nagr.1593

I feel for ya those guis who saying they came back months or so ago and still have 0 li, i mean i know them stories abound and it makes me bit sad always to hear em tbh cos yknow i ben there (and most here havent judging from their jaded responses u hear quite often). Truth be told i mean i ben on thatv side pf fence where u gotta start with a glaring abcess of Li and then u see how will most or all grps treat u then. I mean yeh its a vicious world both sides of coin irl too i mean thersv no escaping it truth

So yeah and i suggest someone who pm me same also, fake till ya make it. Cos then u don gota fake no mo. Like its realy easy to fuenish fake proof like believe u me. Tbh look i got heavy handed blow liek infraction related for postin a harmless lil link to a beginnerlvl scrpt i cobbled tgether. But yeah feel free to hit me up if u dunno whats up like wikis ur friend honesty. Anwau peace And tanx to u autoclrect lol

Arun Kar

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Posted by: Amaimon.7823

Amaimon.7823

I feel like I’m on the same boat. I’ve just started playing a couple of months ago (played a bit a few years back but there was no raid content back then).

Pretty much did all the content progression I could, got all masteries, explored all open world content/achievements, full ascendant gear, spec as per meta and over the last two weeks been trying to find a way into raiding (checking LFG, forums, any eventual recruitment shouts) but it seems I’ve hit a wall.

I have 0 LI and I have no clue how to get any since I can’t find any groups/guilds that do not request someone that raided already (in GW2) to some extent.

I know I’m coming late to the party, but are new players locked out completely from raiding content?

I saw a couple of posts about groups that accept new players like myself, if you know any, would you be so kind as to provide some more information I can look into (EU servers)?

Well what I think is more of a community problem is that if you want to raid but you got a low amount of Li you can’t get into a group nor guild. I really want to raid properly but I only got 5 Li and it doesn’t really matter from which boss I got them since people won’t let you even join for vg without having 100 + Li. (even if you got your low amount from said boss or the boss you want to do).
Is it just me or is this just ridicoulus? For me it is like saying : you can’t join on ascalon dungeon without having around 1k dungeon marks.
How can I get raid experience if I can’t join a group or a guild because I lack on Li?
Ofc the more Li you got the more experienced you are but tbh it gives new-ish raiders 0 chances to get into it :/
Also I think it would make it easier if the Li would show from which boss you got them.
Yes I might be complaining but for me it also kinda destroys the community :/

There’s at least 5 EU guilds that are recruiting that don’t specify prior raid experience as a requirement on the first 2 pages alone.

yeah those guilds also
1. ask you for LIs anyway in game
2. don’t take you in raid unless literary nobody else showed up. So chances you get even VG kill are slim and you would have to wait for it weeks and months.

Have been in those guilds.

Let me introduce you to R T I
Happy raiding!