Guild Wars 2

Maybe exploit isn’t the right word for some of them, but so many fights in this game are “stand here” and they can’t hit you, or can’t hit you with poison, etc. It’s dumb, I enjoy the encounters the way they were intended, but when they can be done EZ mode, nobody wants to do them the right way. I don’t blame the players, I blame ANet. These issues have been in since release, yet there are still workarounds for nearly every boss in every dungeon. It makes the content less fun when there are known ways to make them simple.

I know most people just want the loot, and don’t care, but it makes it less special when any idiot can stand in one spot and go AFK with auto attack on.

Fighting a mob in a single spot where it can never hit you is an exploit. These exploits are generally taken out of the game much faster than any bugs that work against players. Fights where you can move a little and use auto-attacks are badly designed (I’m thinking of you Jellyfish). Fights where players can huddle up and share defensive skills to mitigate damage are legal. That’s fine for trash but boss fights should require more active defense (dodge) or deeper tactics.

Stooperdale.3560:

Fighting a mob in a single spot where it can never hit you is an exploit. These exploits are generally taken out of the game much faster than any bugs that work against players. Fights where you can move a little and use auto-attacks are badly designed (I’m thinking of you Jellyfish). Fights where players can huddle up and share defensive skills to mitigate damage are legal. That’s fine for trash but boss fights should require more active defense (dodge) or deeper tactics.

No, I agree, some are straight up exploits, some are just bad design, some are in a grey area where you are able to mitigate part of the fight because of positioning, etc.

I think they have done well on a lot of these dungeons, I just wish they would fix them so you have to fight them as intended.

I can’t wait until they fix all of the exploits in Arah. That will really get rid of most of the path sellers.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

I can’t wait until they fix all of the exploits in Arah. That will really get rid of most of the path sellers.

Also the Arah jumping puzzle in p4? I’m assuming you’ve already made some good money off of that one.

Although I doubt they can fix that one easily, because the sequencing there is a little more complicated.

Bright.9160:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

I can’t wait until they fix all of the exploits in Arah. That will really get rid of most of the path sellers.

Also the Arah jumping puzzle in p4? I’m assuming you’ve already made some good money off of that one.

Although I doubt they can fix that one easily, because the sequencing there is a little more complicated.

Jumping Puzzles are endgame content. Being AFK for every boss in path 2 is not a jumping puzzle.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

I can’t wait until they fix all of the exploits in Arah. That will really get rid of most of the path sellers.

> Exploit Arah, sell slots, make gold
> Other people learn exploits
> They sell slots, make gold
> Exploiting is now wrong and should be patched ASAP
> Probably part of the griefing crew who report all the sellers and make thousands of phony LFG’s using the seller’s name

… That last one was probably a stretch but you get my point.

Dolan.3071:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

I can’t wait until they fix all of the exploits in Arah. That will really get rid of most of the path sellers.

> Exploit Arah, sell slots, make gold
> Other people learn exploits
> They sell slots, make gold
> Exploiting is now wrong and should be patched ASAP
> Probably part of the griefing crew who report all the sellers and make thousands of phony LFG’s using the seller’s name

… That last one was probably a stretch but you get my point.

Brazil, Dub, Muffin, Myself, and others, could all solo it legitimately if we wanted to. Can you, or all of the other path sellers say the same?

Ask any of the above when was the last time they skipped Lupicus, with the intention of making gold. Not that I really care for solo’ing, I get bored if I don’t have someone to laugh at when they fail.

Also, Brazil and I have been successfully getting banned on lfg almost daily at this point. Would be pretty hypocritical to grief others.

Someone teach me these mythical arah exploits, please, since all of you seem to be fine using them. So far i’ve been soloing p2/p3 & duoing p4 without exploits. I don’t know anything other than the boat jump.

Emanuel.9781:

Someone teach me these mythical arah exploits, please, since all of you seem to be fine using them. So far i’ve been soloing p2/p3 & duoing p4 without exploits. I don’t know anything other than the boat jump.

This. Although I dont solo/duo, just been doing arah with 3-4 recently and will probably try soloing fully when i get lupi down :P. I have no interest in exploiting for personal gain, just wish i knew about all these exploits everyones talking about lols.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Brazil, Dub, Muffin, Myself, and others, could all solo it legitimately if we wanted to. Can you, or all of the other path sellers say the same?

Ask any of the above when was the last time they skipped Lupicus, with the intention of making gold. Not that I really care for solo’ing, I get bored if I don’t have someone to laugh at when they fail.

Also, Brazil and I have been successfully getting banned on lfg almost daily at this point. Would be pretty hypocritical to grief others.

If I put aside the time to throw myself at Lupi until I got him down to a fine art like the [SOLO] chaps have I’m sure I could solo p2 legit. Though I’m not too sure about Alphard with a Warrior (bracing for Guardian jokes), might have to abuse LoS but keep her on the move as to not technically “exploit”, I don’t really know, my few legit attempts went sour very quickly if I didn’t abuse LoS especially when the adds spawned.

I don’t even sell slots since all the griefing started, I just give them away to guildies… My laziness strikes again ;D

You can beastmode Alphard like Wethospu does in his solo p2 video, or there’s a safer place to do it from range where he won’t go back for the daggerstorm move, or there’s apparently some way to afk it while the NPC tanks hits for you. Don’t know that third one, only heard whispers about it.

I just go in to melee, block/dodge when she does the unload move and escape to LoS/heal up when getting low on health. When clones spawn, LoS/kite around boxes. Healing signet+crit heal food does the job for me easily.

Sometimes alphard doesn’t do the spin/storm attack at all and just keeps following/shooting me. Other times i can just melee safely till she reaches the 75/50/25% HP threshold till clones spawn, then i gotta kite/los/kill clones.

Stooperdale.3560:

Fighting a mob in a single spot where it can never hit you is an exploit. These exploits are generally taken out of the game much faster than any bugs that work against players. Fights where you can move a little and use auto-attacks are badly designed (I’m thinking of you Jellyfish). Fights where players can huddle up and share defensive skills to mitigate damage are legal. That’s fine for trash but boss fights should require more active defense (dodge) or deeper tactics.

I don’t care if it’s legal, it simply shouldn’t be viable. Stacking to kill the spider in AC is terrible game design.

“Being efficient shouldn’t be viable!”

Whatever.

If I were designing a boss I would design it with strong (but avoidable) ranged attacks, and melee punishment for more than 1 or 2 people in melee. But that doesn’t mean I’ll complain and whine about bosses in the game that don’t have that.

You can strafe back and forth at 900-1000 range and never be hit by Alphard or any other ranged attack for that matter. Having the NPC tank for you is a tricky one to find, and probably not something people will find on their own. It’s also faster just to kill him normally.

colesy.8490:

“Being efficient shouldn’t be viable!”

Whatever.

It’s not efficient, it’s cheesing the content. You literally stand there and spam auto attack. Every time you use line of sight it essentially boils down to auto attack. That’s not how group content should be.

Shiren.9532:

colesy.8490:

“Being efficient shouldn’t be viable!”

Whatever.

It’s not efficient, it’s cheesing the content. You literally stand there and spam auto attack.

oooh, so like open world content.

Shiren.9532:

It’s not efficient, it’s cheesing the content. You literally stand there and spam auto attack. Every time you use line of sight it essentially boils down to auto attack. That’s not how group content should be.

Still more skillful than crafting.

swiftpaw.6397:

Shiren.9532:

colesy.8490:

“Being efficient shouldn’t be viable!”

Whatever.

It’s not efficient, it’s cheesing the content. You literally stand there and spam auto attack.

oooh, so like open world content.

Technically open world group content requires more effort than a lot of line of sight strategies. It’s a lot of work making sure you tag as many mobs as possible.

I don’t understand your point, are you saying that open world content is auto-attack easy or are you saying that dungeon content should be auto-attack easy because open world content is?

Shiren.9532:

swiftpaw.6397:

Shiren.9532:

colesy.8490:

“Being efficient shouldn’t be viable!”

Whatever.

It’s not efficient, it’s cheesing the content. You literally stand there and spam auto attack.

oooh, so like open world content.

Technically open world group content requires more effort than a lot of line of sight strategies. It’s a lot of work making sure you tag as many mobs as possible.

I don’t understand your point, are you saying that open world content is auto-attack easy or are you saying that dungeon content should be auto-attack easy because open world content is?

Open world content requires you to stand at max range and run around.

can someone please demonstrate a dungeon boss or even champ where all 5 people can LoS and then stand there and auto attack

Shiren.9532:

swiftpaw.6397:

Shiren.9532:

colesy.8490:

“Being efficient shouldn’t be viable!”

Whatever.

It’s not efficient, it’s cheesing the content. You literally stand there and spam auto attack.

oooh, so like open world content.

Technically open world group content requires more effort than a lot of line of sight strategies. It’s a lot of work making sure you tag as many mobs as possible.

I don’t understand your point, are you saying that open world content is auto-attack easy or are you saying that dungeon content should be auto-attack easy because open world content is?

I’m saying almost everything in this game is a joke. Let’s not make exceptions.

Broadicea.8294:

can someone please demonstrate a dungeon boss or even champ where all 5 people can LoS and then stand there and auto attack

Well there’s that one where…

Oh wait, you even have to do more in COF p1 than brainless open world.

The fact that Shiren is trying to claim open world content is “a lot of work” is both hilarious and sad at the same time.

They should stop using this ancient “heroes vs one strong boss”. 3-5 enemies and it actually gets interesting.

Wethospu.6437:

They should stop using this ancient “heroes vs one strong boss”. 3-5 enemies and it actually gets interesting.

GW1 did that one right… 4 horsemen without spell protection, good luck on that one.

What about a section of a dungeon that temporarily branches off in to five paths and each player has to kill a veteran on their path (but they are pre determined so you could for example set the mesmer or the guard on the guy using projectiles)?

It could be a sneaky DPS check.

colesy.8490:

What about a section of a dungeon that temporarily branches off in to five paths and each player has to kill a veteran on their path (but they are pre determined so you could for example set the mesmer or the guard on the guy using projectiles)?

It could be a sneaky DPS check.

lol I like it!

Deep ftw?

My first run in a GW2 dungeon was through AC Path 3. First boss fight, everyone tells me stack in a corner on the other players. We burn the spider down in about 30 seconds with no real excitement. Just stand there and mash buttons.

We then proceed to kill the next boss, skip the third boss, sprint through trash mobs to the fourth “boss” (this one actually requires you to run around in circles, exciting!). Again run through trash mobs to the fifth “boss”, rush through that fight while ignoring all the trash mobs. Sprint to the final boss of the dungeon. Again everyone tells me to stack on the rest of the group, this time in front of a column. Boss comes up to us. We stand there for 30 seconds spamming skills, it dies without any hubbub.

I thought this game was supposed to be fun? I thought it was supposed to be skill based? I thought it was supposed to have dynamic combat? Standing in a corner stacked up, unable to see anything, while spamming skill buttons is not my idea of fun.

PvE in this game is laughably bad.

PrivateSoftcore.6291:

My first run in a GW2 dungeon was through AC Path 3. First boss fight, everyone tells me stack in a corner on the other players. We burn the spider down in about 30 seconds with no real excitement. Just stand there and mash buttons.

We then proceed to kill the next boss, skip the third boss, sprint through trash mobs to the fourth “boss” (this one actually requires you to run around in circles, exciting!). Again run through trash mobs to the fifth “boss”, rush through that fight while ignoring all the trash mobs. Sprint to the final boss of the dungeon. Again everyone tells me to stack on the rest of the group, this time in front of a column. Boss comes up to us. We stand there for 30 seconds spamming skills, it dies without any hubbub.

I thought this game was supposed to be fun? I thought it was supposed to be skill based? I thought it was supposed to have dynamic combat? Standing in a corner stacked up, unable to see anything, while spamming skill buttons is not my idea of fun.

PvE in this game is laughably bad.

Isn’t this how you get your carrot, I mean ascended gear? Spam 1 during “world” events.

haviz.1340:

Isn’t this how you get your carrot, I mean ascended gear? Spam 1 during “world” events.

detecting lots of upset feelings about ascended gear, haviz.

Well, ascended weapons are about the worst thing ever introduced to this game and this doesn’t really bode well for what is to come next (like ascended armors). GW2 only keeps me in because I don’t feel like investing time into another mmo yet but at this point if there was anything coming out that followed the initial promises that were made for GW2 I would totally leave this game and forget it even existed.

Broadicea.8294:

detecting lots of upset feelings about ascended gear, haviz.

Acquisition method is made specifically for casuals which don’t even need this stuff since maybe 3-5% population do fractals 30+. In the meantime, challenging content gives you literally kitten.

Haha. I’m going to persuade my “grand**” to go back fractal 30+ and above. She now doesn’t have to dodge. Just spend sometimes to craft ascended weapons and she’s good to go. And time, she has plenty. BTW, she is retired and a grandma.
Off topic: How long does it take to craft ascended weapons, the normal way? Like a month?

haviz.1340:

Broadicea.8294:

detecting lots of upset feelings about ascended gear, haviz.

Acquisition method is made specifically for casuals which don’t even need this stuff since maybe 3-5% population do fractals 30+. In the meantime, challenging content gives you literally kitten.

Oh I understand and completely agree, but you mention it in almost every thread :P

SkyChef.5432:

Haha. I’m going to persuade my “grand**” to go back fractal 30+ and above. She now doesn’t have to dodge. Just spend sometimes to craft ascended weapons and she’s good to go. And time, she has plenty. BTW, she is retired and a grandma.
Off topic: How long does it take to craft ascended weapons, the normal way? Like a month?

If you farmed enough materials that your only holdup was the time gated materials (mithrillium and spirit residue), it would take a couple weeks. But considering the dragonite and empyreal stars for the average player, maybe a little longer.

Broadicea.8294:

haviz.1340:

Isn’t this how you get your carrot, I mean ascended gear? Spam 1 during “world” events.

detecting lots of upset feelings about ascended gear, haviz.

You have an emoticon 3000 as well? Me too! That thing picks up feels from 10 posts away, it’s awesome.

I don’t get many readings in the dungeon forum besides hostility ;p

colesy.8490:

I don’t get many readings in the dungeon forum besides hostility ;p

we hate because we’re neglected. lashing out is our cry for attention.

Broadicea.8294:

If you farmed enough materials that your only holdup was the time gated materials (mithrillium and spirit residue), it would take a couple weeks. But considering the dragonite and empyreal stars for the average player, maybe a little longer.

Dev crafted his first ascended weapon like a day after the patch hit…

The power of money…

He’s also gotten a drop and is almost done crafting his second I think.

Bright.9160:

Broadicea.8294:

If you farmed enough materials that your only holdup was the time gated materials (mithrillium and spirit residue), it would take a couple weeks. But considering the dragonite and empyreal stars for the average player, maybe a little longer.

Dev crafted his first ascended weapon like a day after the patch hit…

The power of money…

He’s also gotten a drop and is almost done crafting his second I think.

it’s just not worth that much cash to me, especially since my fractal runner has a legendary already

I still run 40 AR in 48 fractal on all my characters and don’t have any problem surviving except @ maw. Didn’t you guys used to do 48s when 25/30 AR was the max? I don’t even care about ascended weaps right now, not in it’s current state. I refuse to waste hundreds of gold just to start crafting timegated mats.

I might start caring when they finally give fractals the rewards they deserve and a level cap increase.

Kind of offtopic.