Guild Wars 2

Lately there have been many posts about the “zerker meta”, and how the speedruners/skip will eventually destroy the game. And what i have to say is, this is actually happening, i could simply keep playing the game and dont bother about this issue, but its now starting to afect me too…

I’ve allways created my partys and ignoring the dozens of dungeons sellers, but now when i create my party what happens is this,

i create my party, description – cof story mode, no speed run – , then when we start the dungeon i start watching the cutscenes, cause i still missing some of the dungeons stories, but even if i wanted to watch them again no one should complain about that, but when i finish to watch it, all the party is killing mobs or bosses, etc, and i asked them, “why dont you wait 30 secs?”, and one of them answer, “why do you watch the cutscenes?”, i said, “cause i have never seen them”, and he said, “you have more than 6000 AP and have never seen them? you have youtube for that”, i answer, “but in the party description i wrote (story mode, no speed run)”, i wanted to kick him from the party but no one kicked him, i was forced to leave the dungeon or i will just watch the cutscenes and dont even hit the bosses…
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This needs to stop, the devs need to “fix” this problem, now players cant do dungeons if their class isnt one of the “3 viable”, with full zerker, but they cant even watch any cinematic or npc dialogue too?!

What is this? Should the game be advertised like this? “gw2, play this amazing and revolutionary game, with, no lore, dungeons that take only 5 minuts, 1 build (you have more to choose from but you will get kicked from partys ^^) and 3 classes viable”… !!?

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If there are ppl that find it funny to enter a dungeon, skip everything, kill the boss, take the loot and repeat it again and again, i’m ok with that, but PLEASE, dont spread your gameplay to others that want to enjoy the game in different ways…

I’m just wondering, have you ever posted something like “cof story, watching ALL cutscenes.”?

Just wondering if that might help.

If you are party leader, doesn’t it kick everyone when you leave? Not a solution, but maybe some people would think twice before accepting your dungeon party invites. /shrug

Totally agree. You’re not alone though, here’s someone else who agrees that this toxic play-style threatens to ruin the game and recently uploaded this.

The Great Meta – Will this be the end of GW2?

Whilst I understand the frustration I think you’re exaggerating slightly OP.

I’m not one of the ‘3 viable professions’ (in fact I do dungeons on a ranger) and I don’t have a problem getting into groups. I definitely don’t think we’re rapidly sliding towards a time when only zerker builds of specific professions speedclearing dungeons can get groups. (Although I wouldn’t say it’s totally impossible to reach that point one day, I was never able to form a non-speedclear group for UW or FoW in GW1.)

I think part of the problem in this specific case is that different people have different ideas of what ‘no skipping’ means. To some people it means doing literally everything, up to and including watching cut scenes and listening to NPCs. To others it simply means you don’t skip non-essential champions but regular mobs, cut scenes etc. are still skipped. And obviously there’s various ones in between.

Some people will play most things, then skip specific parts (like the long path full of regular enemies and exploding flowers in TA or the zig-zag path down the dredge pit in SE) even in ‘non-skipping’ groups because they’re really annoying.

For future reference it might be worth specifying. Or just telling the group at the start you want to watch the cut scenes. A lot of people probably won’t mind either way, I know on my runs I’ll assume we’re skipping cut scenes but if I happen to see someone watching them I’ll hang back and wait for them to finish.

I have yet to even set a single pixel from one of my characters in a dungeon and I’ve been playing since April. If I ever do decide to give it a go I know one thing for sure after reading these forums for as long as I have been playing, I won’t use the LFG tool. Instead I’ll try to make some friends to see if I can find a group to join me in the dungeon at my own pace.

JustTrogdor.7892:

I have yet to even set even a single pixel from one of my characters in a dungeon and I’ve been playing since April. If I ever do decide to give it a go I know one thing for sure after reading these forums for as long as I have been playing, I won’t use the LFG tool. Instead I’ll try to make some friends to see if I can find a group to join me in the dungeon at my own pace.

Whilst I agree it’s a good idea to try to form groups with friends whenever possible (your guild should be a good choice too) I would’t avoid the LFG tool completely.

I was very wary at first, but I’ve had more good groups than bad formed that way. I usually put up my own advert, saying something like “Any explorable path, no skipping, everyone welcome”. Sometimes I’ll swap ‘everyone’ for ‘1st timers’, especially if it’s my first time in that dungeon (I personally think they mean the same thing, but you never know.)

If they take the time to read it then a description like that should put off people who are looking to rush through. In case they don’t I’ll reiterate it in party chat just before we start, but I’ve rarely had anyone leave at that point.

LittleLepton.8915:

I’m just wondering, have you ever posted something like “cof story, watching ALL cutscenes.”?

Just wondering if that might help.

This pretty much solves the OP’s problem…. I’d phrase it reversed though. “Watching all cutscenes, COF story.”

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

LittleLepton.8915:

I’m just wondering, have you ever posted something like “cof story, watching ALL cutscenes.”?

Just wondering if that might help.

This pretty much solves the OP’s problem…. I’d phrase it reversed though. “Watching all cutscenes, COF story.”

That makes sense. People might just see “cof story”.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

If you are party leader, doesn’t it kick everyone when you leave? Not a solution,

What should i do? wait 20 minutes pressing buttons on my computer waiting the dungeon to end?

The problem here isnt that i forgot to put “all cutscenes” in the description, but that all the other players thought that what the “other” player was saying was the right thing, and this is why this toxic game play is spreading, now ppl think that speedrun/skip is the right thing to do… And its not, its a choice.

I always like watching cutscenes whether I’ve seen them before or not. I always state this to the group before we start as well as saying I hate skipping, which is usually met with a ’that’s cool, np’ kind of response and then 90% of the time this happens:

I watch the cutscene and after it finishes I find myself alone in the starting room with groupchat messages piling up that just say: ‘RUN RUN RUN!!!!’. I see on my map that the rest of the group is stacked up for the first boss and I’m left to try to run & survive to get back to them on my own.

After enough times of this type of dungeon experience I finally gave up on dungeons altogether. It’s not just you, many others (including ArenaNet) are growing increasingly concerned about this pervasive toxic playstyle & rigid build ‘meta’.

TYTan.5246:

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

If you are party leader, doesn’t it kick everyone when you leave? Not a solution,

What should i do? wait 20 minutes pressing buttons on my computer waiting the dungeon to end?

The problem here isnt that i forgot to put “all cutscenes” in the description, but that all the other players thought that what the “other” player was saying was the right thing, and this is why this toxic game play is spreading, now ppl think that speedrun/skip is the right thing to do… And its not, its a choice.

Well, I just don’t think it’s reasonable to ask folks who have already seen the cutscenes to watch them again…. Especially not if you didn’t mention it before the dungeon began. It’s not normal for people to watch them, that’s all. And there’s nothing wrong with that.

If you posted story mode, that should immediately rule out “speed run”. I never have issue with anyone wanting to watch the cutscenes and I do run full zerk in cof. Sounds like you had a pug full of dipsticks to me. Hope you have better luck in the future, not everyone is that way.

Im just giving an exemple of what is happening, the big problem here isnt that some guy was upset with me cause i wanted to watch the cutscenes, like i said in the 1º paragraph.

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(Lately there have been many posts about the “zerker meta”, and how the speedruners/skip will eventually destroy the game.)
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BTW, im ok with zerker builds, i use some too, but dont try to force any one with this mentallity of “gold grind” or what ever stands for what is happening.

You had a bad experience with a couple jerks that didn’t read your lfg and making a blanket statement on the entire community from it.

Make your lfg like someone else said “story mode, watching all cut scenes”. When your party is full just reiterate what is going on. Problem solved.

I was writing a wall of text along the line with what laharl posted above. Coincidentally! My opinion is do not quickly push every blame on ‘speedrun/skipping’. Those people hardly join a pug, they make the lfg themselves. They respect you as much as you respect them.

Edit: what sorcery is this? I couldn’t post anything up until now.

I (and most of the people I know) will not join an LFG that says “casual run” and then kitten at the PUGs about how they’re so slow and bad. Whenever I PUG I either join parties that say “speedrun, berserker gear etc.” or I set up the LFG myself.

If a person wants an decently fast PUG they wouldn’t join runs that were stated to be casual runs; if so they’re just griefing, and you shouldn’t blame those who speedclear dungeons for their actions.

Bringing back this old post to just re-iterate that this still occurs. I have started playing GW2 again and had 2 characters ready for dungeons. My experiences so far have been thus:

lvl 30 asura engineer (geared to lvl 30):

• vote kick
• vote kick
• vote kick
• found group that watched cut-scenes and worked as a team!

Note: I ONLY joined groups that advertised (all lvls, all welcome) kinds of groups NO Zerg 80s groups!

Then I figured that engineer was unpopular..so I switched to my guardian at lvl 35:

• vote kick
• died 3 times, nobody bothered to help
• vote kick
• never found a group after 10+ min of sitting around

So, I feel that due to the poor LFG tool that GW2 has..I will limit my dungeon crawling experience to a small time window and if I get in one…good if not..move on to PvE.

Also, I fee that the comments above about finding a guild that favors your playstyle is also the solution and I will be checking that out.

Its a shame that players cant share a dungeon run and resort to toxic game play habits.

Find a guild with friendly players.

If you want to be a loner and stay out of guilds, join one that requires no rep and do dungeons only with them.

Fill your friendlist with players that think alike, ask them to join you on your story dungeons.

Personally, I love to just play dungeons like this every now and then. Just joining lower-levels, waiting for them at cutscenes, no meta/zerk, teaching them how things work when we get stuck and just carry them. More players like this exist, just find them and make sure you add them to your friendlist.

Since when did kicking bads qualify as toxic behavior?

You need to see dungeons as lvl 80 content. Back when i started playing in 2012 i would only run story mode dungeons until i got to lvl 80, it took me like 2 months to max lvl my warrior. Even back then people didnt like low lvl players in dungeons, and there was no dungeon meta (at least that i knew of) since Strife only started posting videos in 2013.
And back then it was even worse, because if the group wiped at spider queen or at the burrows room everyone would just disband, so the gw2 community was never nice, you cant blame the “zerk meta” for the toxicity you see among players.

viziel.4507:

Bringing back this old post to just re-iterate that this still occurs. I have started playing GW2 again and had 2 characters ready for dungeons. My experiences so far have been thus:

lvl 30 asura engineer (geared to lvl 30):

• vote kick
• vote kick
• vote kick
• found group that watched cut-scenes and worked as a team!

Note: I ONLY joined groups that advertised (all lvls, all welcome) kinds of groups NO Zerg 80s groups!

Then I figured that engineer was unpopular..so I switched to my guardian at lvl 35:

• vote kick
• died 3 times, nobody bothered to help
• vote kick
• never found a group after 10+ min of sitting around

So, I feel that due to the poor LFG tool that GW2 has..I will limit my dungeon crawling experience to a small time window and if I get in one…good if not..move on to PvE.

Also, I fee that the comments above about finding a guild that favors your playstyle is also the solution and I will be checking that out.

Its a shame that players cant share a dungeon run and resort to toxic game play habits.

I would kick you too. If you go to a dungeon with a low level character on purpose and you even mess up, your kick is well deserved.

It’s you who’s toxic expecting the others to carry you through and bring (barely) nothing in.
It’s you who wants to kick others because you want to watch cutscene, even though your team doesn’t. Then you complain that they attack mobs.

WTF is wrong with you? You’re toxic, srsly

I always like to help the new players, especially in the lowered level dungeons.

Problem currently:
•Delusion of the zerker meta
•Auto kick because you aren’t level 80 in a (insert minimum level here) explore path
•Auto kick because you aren’t zerker
•This a really dumb reason, but it happens: Auto kick because you aren’t a certain AP threshold
•This is going to trend for a few weeks or more: No Revenant lfg groups

The sooner we squash that kitten group out, I think our inner community that actually “helps new and existing players” would be a lot better.

FlawlezZ.3178:

viziel.4507:

Note: I ONLY joined groups that advertised (all lvls, all welcome) kinds of groups NO Zerg 80s groups!

I would kick you too. If you go to a dungeon with a low level character on purpose and you even mess up, your kick is well deserved.

WTF is wrong with you? You’re toxic, srsly

FlawlezZ.3178:

I would kick you too. If you go to a dungeon with a low level character on purpose and you even mess up, your kick is well deserved.

It’s you who’s toxic expecting the others to carry you through and bring (barely) nothing in.
It’s you who wants to kick others because you want to watch cutscene, even though your team doesn’t. Then you complain that they attack mobs.

WTF is wrong with you? You’re toxic, srsly

WoW. Just wow.

Bingo.

CodeHavoc.7926:

I always like to help the new players, especially in the lowered level dungeons.

Problem currently:
•Delusion of the zerker meta
•Auto kick because you aren’t level 80 in a (insert minimum level here) explore path
•Auto kick because you aren’t zerker
•This a really dumb reason, but it happens: Auto kick because you aren’t a certain AP threshold
•This is going to trend for a few weeks or more: No Revenant lfg groups

The sooner we squash that kitten group out, I think our inner community that actually “helps new and existing players” would be a lot better.

OP is not new. From what I read I think he must have at least 7000 AP.

Measuring dungeon skill by AP…this just keeps getting better.

Please explain how having 7k AP implies dungeon experience. Genuinely curious what your logic is here.

dlonie.6547:

Measuring dungeon skill by AP…this just keeps getting better.

Please explain how having 7k AP implies dungeon experience. Genuinely curious what your logic is here.

Where did I say anything about dungeon skill? Assuming from his AP count he has thrown a lot of hours into GW2 and has leveled a character up to 80. How is he a new player? He deliberately worsens the group experience, because even though he could switch to a level 80 char, he doesn’t. If he’s not experienced with dungeons, why doesn’t he switch to his Lvl 80 character, where he’s allowed to do more mistakes?

FlawlezZ.3178:

dlonie.6547:

Measuring dungeon skill by AP…this just keeps getting better.

Please explain how having 7k AP implies dungeon experience. Genuinely curious what your logic is here.

Where did I say anything about dungeon skill? Assuming from his AP count he has thrown a lot of hours into GW2 and has leveled a character up to 80. How is he a new player? He deliberately worsens the group experience, because even though he could switch to a level 80 char, he doesn’t. If he’s not experienced with dungeons, why doesn’t he switch to his Lvl 80 character, where he’s allowed to do more mistakes?

Read more carefully:

viziel.4507:

Note: I ONLY joined groups that advertised (all lvls, all welcome) kinds of groups NO Zerg 80s groups!

If someone kicks a player (even a lowbie) from a group with that description, they’re a bit of a kitty, yeah?

He also mentions joining a group on the LFG at level 30 — there’s only one dungeon he could possibly be running in that case, and if lowbies are getting kicked from ‘all welcome’ parties for freakin’ AC story, then I agree — there’s a tryhard/toxicity problem in this game.

That’s not news — I mean, there always have been a lot of tryhards, but this level of kittenery is just getting obnoxious.

dlonie.6547:

FlawlezZ.3178:

dlonie.6547:

Measuring dungeon skill by AP…this just keeps getting better.

Please explain how having 7k AP implies dungeon experience. Genuinely curious what your logic is here.

Where did I say anything about dungeon skill? Assuming from his AP count he has thrown a lot of hours into GW2 and has leveled a character up to 80. How is he a new player? He deliberately worsens the group experience, because even though he could switch to a level 80 char, he doesn’t. If he’s not experienced with dungeons, why doesn’t he switch to his Lvl 80 character, where he’s allowed to do more mistakes?

Read more carefully:

viziel.4507:

Note: I ONLY joined groups that advertised (all lvls, all welcome) kinds of groups NO Zerg 80s groups!

If someone kicks a player (even a lowbie) from a group with that description, they’re a bit of a kitty, yeah?

He also mentions joining a group on the LFG at level 30 — there’s only one dungeon he could possibly be running in that case, and if lowbies are getting kicked from ‘all welcome’ parties for freakin’ AC story, then I agree — there’s a tryhard/toxicity problem in this game.

That’s not news — I mean, there always have been a lot of tryhards, but this level of kittenery is just getting obnoxious.

I guess OP could have asked why they kicked him. He didn’t (seems like). If I was kicked I would be curious and ask why they kicked me. Instead he goes straight to the forum to complain about toxic behaviour. Sounds a bit fishy tbh.

Anyway I was just saying that he’s toxic himself too and I would also kick him if he joins a group and comes with his low level character instead of his main character. Even if it says all levels welcome etc. It’s just bad behaviour and I don’t want to be in a group with someone like that, especially when he fails really hard and I need to carry him (I’d rather carry someone who is actually new to the game).

You can go to any dungeon with any level. Maybe he was trying to join AC 35 Exploration mode? You don’t know because the post is missing a lot of aspects and is very one-sided. I don’t think you can say there’s a toxicity problem in the game judging on what OP wrote.

Pretty sure we don’t need OP’s opinion at all, dungeons breed a toxic environment and you have a lot of wannabes that no nothing about the game yet they are running a meta copy pasta, have no idea how their class works or any mechanics and just flame everyone in the dungeon because somehow people think running a meta build means that nothing is your fault and your better than the other players in your party.

I run meta builds on all of my classes and use a sinister build on my engi I join just about every group, Sometimes if im in the mood i’ll carry noobies in all welcome groups and if they ask me for advice i’ll help them out. But the groups that form like ‘Zerk full run 5kap+’ immediately screams to me that everyone in that group is completely clueless and is bad at the game, the same thing happens when you join pugs that gearcheck you and then want to bug mossman, oneshot lupi or something it’s like those groups should just explicitly state that they are looking for someone to carry them instead of going through loops to end up flaming each other when they find out they are all terrible.

There are just a lot of bad players in this game that are making it to level 80 and can’t seem to handle the fact they know nothing.

FlawlezZ.3178:

Anyway I was just saying that he’s toxic himself too and I would also kick him if he joins a group and comes with his low level character instead of his main character. Even if it says all levels welcome etc. It’s just bad behaviour and I don’t want to be in a group with someone like that, especially when he fails really hard and I need to carry him (I’d rather carry someone who is actually new to the game).

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Playing a dungeon at-level in a group that’s advertised ‘all welcome’ is bad behavior and toxic. Wow.

You can go to any dungeon with any level.

Not using the LFG tool. It won’t let you even see LFGs for dungeons that you aren’t at level for. It could have been an explorable AC, but that’s an assumption on your part and even if true, it’s not a justification for calling the player toxic. Inexperienced with the dungeon system, sure, but to assume that they were trying to maliciously drag down the party…it’s a pretty twisted worldview for that to be the first thing that pops into one’s mind.

Evapor.6849:

Pretty sure we don’t need OP’s opinion at all, dungeons breed a toxic environment and you have a lot of wannabes that no nothing about the game yet they are running a meta copy pasta, have no idea how their class works or any mechanics and just flame everyone in the dungeon because somehow people think running a meta build means that nothing is your fault and your better than the other players in your party.

I run meta builds on all of my classes and use a sinister build on my engi I join just about every group, Sometimes if im in the mood i’ll carry noobies in all welcome groups and if they ask me for advice i’ll help them out. But the groups that form like ‘Zerk full run 5kap+’ immediately screams to me that everyone in that group is completely clueless and is bad at the game, the same thing happens when you join pugs that gearcheck you and then want to bug mossman, oneshot lupi or something it’s like those groups should just explicitly state that they are looking for someone to carry them instead of going through loops to end up flaming each other when they find out they are all terrible.

There are just a lot of bad players in this game that are making it to level 80 and can’t seem to handle the fact they know nothing.

This is true.

dlonie.6547:

FlawlezZ.3178:

Anyway I was just saying that he’s toxic himself too and I would also kick him if he joins a group and comes with his low level character instead of his main character. Even if it says all levels welcome etc. It’s just bad behaviour and I don’t want to be in a group with someone like that, especially when he fails really hard and I need to carry him (I’d rather carry someone who is actually new to the game).

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Playing a dungeon at-level in a group that’s advertised ‘all welcome’ is bad behavior and toxic. Wow.

Everyone runs dungeons at level 80 for a good reason. OP refuses to do so and dies with his low level characters so often that people won’t rezz him. Why does he insist to play with his garbage character(s)? How would you call this behaviour?

Anyway I said something different. That’s your interpretation.

dlonie.6547:

Playing a dungeon at-level in a group that’s advertised ‘all welcome’ is bad behavior and toxic. Wow.

I think Anet made a pretty huge design flaw in regards to this. Dungeons are set at a particular level, but virtually all of the rewards are for level 80 characters. Naturally, the 80s are going to take over.

Beyond that, one can’t assume that an LFG posting will be exactly as advertised. Parties form, players come and go and most importantly anyone can edit the description. Sometimes casuals will take over a ’zerk posting and vice versa.

It really sounds like he went looking for problems to be honest, and found them. That type of player usually has bad experiences. Also seems a bit unskilled and inexperienced as well. Best to stick to guild runs, as was mentioned in the post. It’s not reasonable to expect to be welcomed in PUGs as a lowbie.

how selffish of other players for not wanting to sit around twittling their thumbs waiting for you to to watch a cutscene. They sure as heck didn’t include a friends list or allow you to be in 5 separate guilds to play with like minded players. But of course you already knew that cuz hey you watch all the cutscenes, you must know the game XD.

90% of the game players are bad, why do you think they zerg?

yes ap doesnt really mean skill but its literally like night and day after taking part. I gave up middle level fractals for along time…

- you need x amount of ar to do this fractal – yeah yeah i got that – they instantly die moment come into contact with agony

- dont kill marked – they immditeally kill mark and then proceded to be killed by adds until armor was gone ( this was back in the day)

Ive yet to have a party ragequit. ill keep trying to spot one then.

As for characters under level 80 – yes that is a thing. When the game first came out you were able to do the duegons when they became availble, but they got updated because it was far to easy for lvl 80’s to abuse. Thus now you aren’t able to do them at the recommened level, so you are just gimping your party. of though you already knew this by watching the third cutscene right?

FlawlezZ.3178:

dlonie.6547:

FlawlezZ.3178:

Anyway I was just saying that he’s toxic himself too and I would also kick him if he joins a group and comes with his low level character instead of his main character. Even if it says all levels welcome etc. It’s just bad behaviour and I don’t want to be in a group with someone like that, especially when he fails really hard and I need to carry him (I’d rather carry someone who is actually new to the game).

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Playing a dungeon at-level in a group that’s advertised ‘all welcome’ is bad behavior and toxic. Wow.

Everyone runs dungeons at level 80 for a good reason. OP refuses to do so and dies with his low level characters so often that people won’t rezz him. Why does he insist to play with his garbage character(s)? How would you call this behaviour?

Anyway I said something different. That’s your interpretation.

Every careless mistakes can quickly down you in AC, 80 or not.

• Getting down by the spike trap? Check, once very two instances
• Getting down by 25 stacks of bleed because I don’t want to interrupt my Meteor Shower/Ice Bow/Hundred Blades/whatever else cast on a burrow? Check, once every two instances
• Getting down by standing too close to the Ghost Eaters and eating multiple Vapor Blades? Check, that happens without reflect
• Getting down because I get focused by every single elite Ascalonian Ghosts while all my skills are on cool down? Check, that happens in every AC p2, I know.

If you still think sub 80 are garbages

Maybe they just dont like you? :/ Also holy Bob what page did you have to go back to resurrect this ?

Imma be real tho sometimes I dont rez the lowbies. Heck I let them go die by themselves. Im not l33t pro. I can carry dead bodies but the living ones, they screw me over.

Ive seconded kicks on lowbies in all welcome groups before. Typically started by group lead/ other lowbie. Ive yet to encounter a instance where a lowbie was kicked purely because they were low level. heck dying a lot was never a problem either.
Its the not grasping the mechanics after ~10-20 deaths.

I sorta feel bad cuz well when I first started playing it was waypoint death trains.
Now the new standard for newbies isnt so low.

Literally like 2 days ago cm story everything but me below 47. talking in chat no one played for more than 2 weeks. Watched em vote kick cutscene watchers 2 times. I got stories man.

Try hard elitists bad? Guessing you havent seen newbies in the wild. They are more vicious than 13 year old girls.

on second thought they are not more vicious than 13 year old girls. I got stories for that too.

IrisTheCasual.3742:

FlawlezZ.3178:

dlonie.6547:

FlawlezZ.3178:

Anyway I was just saying that he’s toxic himself too and I would also kick him if he joins a group and comes with his low level character instead of his main character. Even if it says all levels welcome etc. It’s just bad behaviour and I don’t want to be in a group with someone like that, especially when he fails really hard and I need to carry him (I’d rather carry someone who is actually new to the game).

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Playing a dungeon at-level in a group that’s advertised ‘all welcome’ is bad behavior and toxic. Wow.

Everyone runs dungeons at level 80 for a good reason. OP refuses to do so and dies with his low level characters so often that people won’t rezz him. Why does he insist to play with his garbage character(s)? How would you call this behaviour?

Anyway I said something different. That’s your interpretation.

Every careless mistakes can quickly down you in AC, 80 or not.

• Getting down by the spike trap? Check, once very two instances
• Getting down by 25 stacks of bleed because I don’t want to interrupt my Meteor Shower/Ice Bow/Hundred Blades/whatever else cast on a burrow? Check, once every two instances
• Getting down by standing too close to the Ghost Eaters and eating multiple Vapor Blades? Check, that happens without reflect
• Getting down because I get focused by every single elite Ascalonian Ghosts while all my skills are on cool down? Check, that happens in every AC p2, I know.

If you still think sub 80 are garbages

I have solo’d all three paths with Ele in the past and it wasn’t that difficult to not get down and even less difficult to hit a mob to rally. Anyway OP’s failure must’ve been the only one in the group, since he said the others didn’t rez him (implicating they could). Thus they didn’t have your problems, only OP (perhaps).The word garbage might be a bit exaggerated, I just meant that his level 30 character is significantly worse than his level 80.

I have been trying to do exp mode on CoE for a few weeks now for legendary and I always get kicked for either not being experienced or not having zerker gear. Even when i post in LFG right before the group goes in they decide zerker only and boot anyone out without it. This is getting terrible and stuff like this makes me wonder how the devs think GW2 has a friendly atmosphere.

N-N-N-N-NECRO!!!!!

Silvercyclone.1462:

I have been trying to do exp mode on CoE for a few weeks now for legendary and I always get kicked for either not being experienced or not having zerker gear. Even when i post in LFG right before the group goes in they decide zerker only and boot anyone out without it. This is getting terrible and stuff like this makes me wonder how the devs think GW2 has a friendly atmosphere.

Get zerker gear. kicks 50% reduced. It’s not really expensive.

FlawlezZ.3178:

Silvercyclone.1462:

I have been trying to do exp mode on CoE for a few weeks now for legendary and I always get kicked for either not being experienced or not having zerker gear. Even when i post in LFG right before the group goes in they decide zerker only and boot anyone out without it. This is getting terrible and stuff like this makes me wonder how the devs think GW2 has a friendly atmosphere.

Get zerker gear. kicks 50% reduced. It’s not really expensive.

Takes me all day to get a few gold so yeah it is expensive.

It is friendly, but in an ‘adventure time’ kind of way, not ‘dora the explorer’. Lol. If you don’t want to play by the community standards then just go with guilds, they are much more forgiving.

I suppose certain problems are unavoidable as a game ages. Newer players will be at a significant disadvantage because the majority of the experienced set just don’t have the patience . This is especially true in GW2 because of the pervasive economic model. It creates a lot of unsavoury real-world behaviour as no one really cares about anything other than their own gold per hour income.

Silvercyclone.1462:

Takes me all day to get a few gold so yeah it is expensive.

You can purchase Berserker Exotic Set of every type for few gold and Badges of Honor.

Mind only that you cannot extract them for runes later – so don’t put expensive ones in there.

Tao.1234:

Silvercyclone.1462:

Takes me all day to get a few gold so yeah it is expensive.

You can purchase Berserker Exotic Set of every type for few gold and Badges of Honor.

Mind only that you cannot extract them for runes later – so don’t put expensive ones in there.

Or Karma. Like 42000 each ?

FlawlezZ.3178:

Tao.1234:

Silvercyclone.1462:

Takes me all day to get a few gold so yeah it is expensive.

You can purchase Berserker Exotic Set of every type for few gold and Badges of Honor.

Mind only that you cannot extract them for runes later – so don’t put expensive ones in there.

Or Karma. Like 42000 each ?

I’m not sure if there is a full set – I remember that there were sets which missed a piece for full gear set of specific type.

Tho, would rather invest karma in exotic backpack for the time being – cheapest and fastest way is to make Quiver in Mystic Forge from Vicious Claws, if we’re aiming for ascended trinkets.

But yes, exotic wise, there are multiple sources of obtaining at least berseker gear set really cheaply.

But like I said, that gear cannot be extracted for Ectos and runes.

Someone shouldn’t have to buy new gear just to do enough dungeons to get 500 tokens

Silvercyclone.1462:

Someone shouldn’t have to buy new gear just to do enough dungeons to get 500 tokens

Why? /15 chars

Point one: this thread is over a year old so OP probably was new when he posted it.

Point two: Some of these responses wow just wow when people say the dungeon community is toxic I generally dismiss them as entitled PHIWers, but some of these responses are pretty much the definition of toxic. There is no defense for kicking the group starter for being a lowbie in an “all welcome” run, that’s like saying pinging zerk and wearing nomads when the group asks for zerk is okay or stealing a legit dungeon sellers instance is okay, that’s troll behavior plain and simple.