Guild Wars 2

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The Ruined City of Arah: Path 4
10th of May 2015, game build 48,555
Restricted time: 16m, 17s

Guild: Vis Invicta [vC]

Mesmer (Phantasmal Yui – Kirasia)
Thief (Mía Swift – Cheezy): No PoV
Warrior (Sangi Cynia – Sangi): No PoV
Elementalist (D\erpy Saurus – D\erpy Moa)
Elementalist (Lumen Phoenix – Fennec)

Enjoy!

Apparently I’m too stupid to hit the record button ><

Tagged.

Ill review it later today.

Maybe there’s a bug, but I hear strange music during the videos and no sound effects.

ProtoGunner.4953:

Maybe there’s a bug, but I hear strange music during the videos and no sound effects.

Wow someone fix that bug!

that was really cool and very fun to watch gang.

great run!

can some 1 enlighten me on what was done differently to get a 1.5min shorter time over the previous?

Small improvements all over the place on top of

- bugged NPC at Farnaz
- one-shot Lupi
- no stealth phase on Simin
- bugged NPC at Bloodstone Shard

Cheezy.2039:

- bugged NPC at Farnaz
- bugged NPC at Bloodstone Shard

…go on…

(I’m not familiar with the NPC bug tricks :P)

They trigger their cutscene instantly because of mysterious happenings

EcoRI.9273:

can some 1 enlighten me on what was done differently to get a 1.5min shorter time over the previous?

The path is really long so the short answer is that all of the tiny little things done to optimize time really added up, for example in vC’s video they actually did a proper phase 3 lupicus skip as opposed to in LOD’s, and they had faster burn times on basically all bosses by at least a couple of seconds if I’m not mistaken.

However the biggest difference between this record and the last imo is killing Simin before she has the chance to go into hiding. That was probably their best accomplishment. Not just because you have to spend time getting the sparks but because she heals while hidden and you have to reapply vuln/your might drops, etc.

Record Officially Approved.

Congratulations.

Edit: Ill add it to the website tomorrow.

Merry Christmas, I added it to the site for you. By the way, there’s currently a bug in the website that won’t let me add Sangi as a player, so once that’s figured out we can add him. For now I listed him as an unknown player, but with his correct character name.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Merry Christmas, I added it to the site for you. By the way, there’s currently a bug in the website that won’t let me add Sangi as a player, so once that’s figured out we can add him. For now I listed him as an unknown player, but with his correct character name.

I was encountering the same bug which is why I was going to wait until today to figure it out. Thanks for taking care of it Dusk.

P.S. I fixed Sangi’s player name.

And no problem! I figured I was already on a roll adding things to the site so I’d do you a solid. :P

kitten ice job seems like a huge improvement from the other records. Sucks about that last mesmer port tho, but nws!

btw did iV split up too?

Nyx.7342:

btw did iV split up too?

iV disbanded.
Most of its active members are in vC now.

Why didnt you just kick the members you didnt want instead of making a new guild? :P

Would’ve done more harm to the guild than good.
iV started as semi hardcore, we wanted hardcore so we thought that doing this was the best solution.

So someone brought this up to me and I wanted to get it checked by other approvers because it seems questionable to me and I’d like second/third opinions on it.

Context: Fennec’s PoV
Reference: https://youtu.be/BIaf5nA7lHw?t=2m4s
Issue: Fennec summons Rocky for Balthazar, but before the skill expires (and thus putting it on 120s cooldown) he swaps it out for FGS which he then immediately uses. The issue here is that this is a form of cooldown manipulation, and while not explicitly banned by the wording of Rule 11 which focuses on traits (quoted below), it seems like it might raise a few eyebrows so I want to clear it with the team.

It has been this way ever since you could activate the skills for the elemental summons, and ANet has made no claims about it one way or the other. It isn’t explicitly trait manipulating, and it also doesn’t seen like malicious intent (I don’t personally believe Fennec was trying to game cooldowns). I’m personally on the fence (hence my post), but I’d probably err on the side of saying this is OK. Well, other approvers? What do you think?

11.) Party members may not abuse trait swapping to refresh ability cooldowns. e.g. Mesmer Blink, Guardian Wall of Reflection in order to facilitate a second use of the skill prior to its natural cool down.

Rising Dusk.2408:

So someone brought this up to me and I wanted to get it checked by other approvers because it seems questionable to me and I’d like second/third opinions on it.

Context: Fennec’s PoV
Reference: https://youtu.be/BIaf5nA7lHw?t=2m4s
Issue: Fennec summons Rocky for Balthazar, but before the skill expires (and thus putting it on 120s cooldown) he swaps it out for FGS which he then immediately uses. The issue here is that this is a form of cooldown manipulation, and while not explicitly banned by the wording of Rule 11 which focuses on traits (quoted below), it seems like it might raise a few eyebrows so I want to clear it with the team.

It has been this way ever since you could activate the skills for the elemental summons, and ANet has made no claims about it one way or the other. It isn’t explicitly trait manipulating, and it also doesn’t seen like malicious intent (I don’t personally believe Fennec was trying to game cooldowns). I’m personally on the fence (hence my post), but I’d probably err on the side of saying this is OK. Well, other approvers? What do you think?

11.) Party members may not abuse trait swapping to refresh ability cooldowns. e.g. Mesmer Blink, Guardian Wall of Reflection in order to facilitate a second use of the skill prior to its natural cool down.

It’s different.

Double wall is using a trait to avoid the cooldown. This situation is just swapping when available.

Should you not be allowed to swap a mantra if you’ve charged it and used one? What about Turrets, have to destroy it and wait out the cooldown?

I think the word manipulation means you’re doing something out of the ordinary to cause it, not just taking advantage of something like in this case.

And yeah I’m not an approver just a busybody PVFer sorry just seems like an obvious difference.

Rising Dusk.2408:

So someone brought this up to me and I wanted to get it checked by other approvers because it seems questionable to me and I’d like second/third opinions on it.

Context: Fennec’s PoV
Reference: https://youtu.be/BIaf5nA7lHw?t=2m4s
Issue: Fennec summons Rocky for Balthazar, but before the skill expires (and thus putting it on 120s cooldown) he swaps it out for FGS which he then immediately uses. The issue here is that this is a form of cooldown manipulation, and while not explicitly banned by the wording of Rule 11 which focuses on traits (quoted below), it seems like it might raise a few eyebrows so I want to clear it with the team.

It has been this way ever since you could activate the skills for the elemental summons, and ANet has made no claims about it one way or the other. It isn’t explicitly trait manipulating, and it also doesn’t seen like malicious intent (I don’t personally believe Fennec was trying to game cooldowns). I’m personally on the fence (hence my post), but I’d probably err on the side of saying this is OK. Well, other approvers? What do you think?

11.) Party members may not abuse trait swapping to refresh ability cooldowns. e.g. Mesmer Blink, Guardian Wall of Reflection in order to facilitate a second use of the skill prior to its natural cool down.

It definitely is similar to cooldown resetting, but if you reject the record because of that you would also have to remove some other records from the restricted category. In my opinion swapping ele out for fgs could instead be a topic for the next speedclear meeting.

Jerus.4350:

It’s different.

Double wall is using a trait to avoid the cooldown. This situation is just swapping when available.

Should you not be allowed to swap a mantra if you’ve charged it and used one? What about Turrets, have to destroy it and wait out the cooldown?

Those are extremely good points in comparing this to turrets and mantras, Jerus. I hadn’t considered that, and I agree and say this falls into exactly that category, and should be allowed.

I’m pretty sure that rule is about using the same skill twice. So it would be OK to use Wall, refresh the CD, and swap it out for another skill, but not OK to use wall, refresh the CD, and use wall again before it would be off CD from the first use. Like Jerus said, it’s just swapping while available. And this is even less of a “possible violation” than what I’ve just described, which would certainly be fine under the text of the rule.

Its fine imo.

We are having a rule meeting soonish I think to discuss a couple rules and terms such as rule #5.

The same went for when D-(registers as kitten lol)erpy used lesser elemental glyph at lupi and swapped for arcane wave. If a skill has an active phase where it can be swapped then let it be swapped. If anet didnt want it to be that way it wouldn’t have, or it will change in the future.

I allow it. Especially due to the fact that there was no cheeky manipulation. Its simply just a skill swap.

Im fine with allowing it. And its not even like its being abused to get both elites at once. The golem despawns when you unequip (atleast it should because necro flesh golem does). Theres lot of skills which are used like this because of secondary effects. It would be like banning the free blast on bone minions or banning using weapon skills and then swapping weapons.

spoj.9672:

Im fine with allowing it. And its not even like its being abused to get both elites at once. The golem despawns when you unequip (atleast it should because necro flesh golem does). Theres lot of skills which are used like this because of secondary effects. It would be like banning the free blast on bone minions or banning using weapon skills and then swapping weapons.

I made the exact same mental jump. If it’s not ok to swap utilities when they’re just naturally available to be swapped, then why can we swap weapons from the inventory?

The double wall thing was more of a thought of “yeah, that probably shouldn’t work that way,” so the decision was made to avoid it. Now, if all utilities worked that way, such that a trait that affected it being changed removed the cooldown we may think it a “natural” mechanic, but since it only works in select situations it just feels weird and exploity.

I think there’s unanimous agreement that it’s okay then. Thanks for the feedback, everyone!

If you guys recall, the ones who were at previous meeting. I tried bringing this ele swap into fgs issue and everyone said it’s allowed.

Congrats to [vC]. Good job!

Have I missed how Invicta is spelled with C?

The better question is why was intricacy iV? Where did the V come from?

That too, I’m confused.

Dub.1273:

Have I missed how Invicta is spelled with C?

Words in Latin are pronounced with extra emphasis on one syllable and in this case it’s in-vic-ta. Perhaps it’s the reason.

spoj.9672:

The better question is why was intricacy iV? Where did the V come from?

Speaking of tag, there is a K missing somewhere in rT, too :O

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I’m just kidding. Please don’t kick me, sorrythankyoum8!

:O

Iris Ng.9845:

spoj.9672:

The better question is why was intricacy iV? Where did the V come from?

Speaking of tag, there is a K missing somewhere in rT, too :O

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I’m just kidding. Please don’t kick me, sorrythankyoum8!

LOL that was a good one

Iris Ng.9845:

spoj.9672:

The better question is why was intricacy iV? Where did the V come from?

Speaking of tag, there is a K missing somewhere in rT, too :O

Where?

Dub.1273:

Iris Ng.9845:

spoj.9672:

The better question is why was intricacy iV? Where did the V come from?

Speaking of tag, there is a K missing somewhere in rT, too :O

Where?

Lol. I wish I had saved my screenshot. kitten it!

Now this is a record

ty :P although i nearly lost it the pressure was on at that portal m8