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Posted by: The Clague.4765

The Clague.4765

Hey all,

I have been playing my warrior for a few weeks now and I hope I might get some advice:

As I play a fair bit of WvW I went initially for a shout healing PVT build (0/0/30/30/10) with PVT accessories and hammer/sword-horn weapons but I found it dull to play and way too lacking in damage. I then moved to a 10/0/30/30/0 build with sword/mace/axe combos (I mix it up) which is much more fun to play.

I have now got into dungeons and really want to run all of them. I have done all the CM, CoF, AC and SE runs (as a pug with an experienced party) and my build has been fine but I am aware I am not doing as much damage as others in the party (but not downing either).

It looks like the warrior meta for dungeons seems to be full zerk (axe/mace greatsword – shield at times) but before I re-trait I wanted to know a few things from experienced players:
1. Is a full DPS warrior squishy (I also have a glass cannon thief and it would not survive in dungeons)
2. Would the zerker build be any good in WvW?
3. Would an experienced party prefer a full DPS warrior pug they have to rez or a tanky warrior pug that doesn’t do as much damage?
4. Is it possible to run a hybrid build – full PVT armor and soldier runes with zerk accessories and weapons?

Any thoughts appreciated.

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Posted by: spoj.9672

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A zerker warrior is surprisingly durable. Especially when using healing signet. You have an extra evade on gs and you can take an offhand sword for a block aswell.

If you do still feel uncomfortable with full zerk then i recommend a knights zerker mix. If you go pvt zerker you lack a lot of crit chance which will really effect your dps.

I cant really comment on wvw builds. But i believe there are a few glass/semi glass which work ok.

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Posted by: Acerola.6407

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1. No. Warrs have much vit and you have extra dodge with GS and you can get your endurance back
2. I wouldn’t recommened it.
3. Yes. You learn to play this way then.
4. No.

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Posted by: TheMaskedParadigm.3629

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1. You have 18-19k health depending on WvW bonuses and you can usually take at least one hit from something like Archdiviner or Mossman at FotM 49.

2. Yes, but you can just retrait if you don’t like it. You can also have multiple armor sets.

3. Experienced parties don’t really have problems with people dying, at least not usually. You’d be better off just using 30/25/0/0/15 with Berserker’s armor and getting used to playing, although you will go down a bit while learning to play. Just give it time.

4. There’s no point in a hybrid build like that. You don’t have enough Precision to make a difference. You don’t really need Soldier runes with Healing Signet, either.

You honestly don’t even need Knight’s pieces. It’s just a waste of money on something like a Warrior, but it’s reasonable on a Guardian since you have so little health. Warrior has a spammable block on offhand Sword, so you could just use Greatsword and Axe / Sword with an Energy Sigil in the Sword.

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Posted by: Miku Lawrence.6329

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Welcome!

1) A full DPS warrior is not squishy if you know how to use active defense (dodge, GS3, Sword 5).
2) It is yes, if you know how to play it, same as for pve (however it is arguable that in W3 players are worse than some AI in PvE).
3) An experienced party will never have to rez a DPS warrior because it’s, well, experienced. How PvE is designed, full DPS is always better than tankyness of any sort. Team support is much better than any Toughness or Healing Shout you can bring.
4) A hybrid build is possible, it’s a mix of Knight armor and Berserker Trinkets/Weapons. Once you get the hand of your class, switch progressively Knight pieces to Berserker. PVT is not a choice, your party is your protection, your Dodge is your damage mitigation. Damage absorption is not how the game is designed.

You should retrait yes, and for shield, prefer a Sword off-hand, it is better (the block skill will block for whole duration if you are out of melee range of the one attacking you, blocking that way more than just one hit).

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Posted by: Acerola.6407

Acerola.6407

look how toxic those elitists are

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Posted by: LittleLepton.8915

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look how toxic those elitists are

Lol, 2 tru.

Actually, OP thanks for asking this question. I never bring my warrior anywhere, and this advice helps me.

Kudos to all you dungeon forum regulars <3

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Posted by: Iris Ng.9845

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You become a better player when wearing a full zerk:

  • You know you’re glassy so you have to actively mitigate damage by watch out for monster’s mechanics, dodge, or use utility skills.
  • You’re addicted to big numbers so you try to figure out what is the best rotation to maximize it, while maintaining 90% HP all the time for RUNE OF SCHOLAR effect.
  • You know the limit of your class and usefulness of other classes, not like you can rely on others in pugs but you know to stand in Wall of reflection, drop off banners in fire fields, and not to pick up elementalists’ conjured weapons.
  • You rally like a champ, not waiting for being revived like those cleric whelps.
  • You start to carry bad pug groups.
  • You start to duo/solo paths

Edit: Thank Spoj, I really need coffee.
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Edit2: Oh mi gawd, oh mi gawd, just stahp!!!

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Posted by: spoj.9672

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Rune of scholar*

Edit: Anytime.

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Posted by: LittleLepton.8915

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Ewww soldier. Haha poor Iris and her unfortunate typos.

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Posted by: Emanuel.9781

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DO NOT LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE ABOVE.

You need full PVT gear, Runes of the Soldier and a Shout Heal build with Mace/Shield with rifle for maximum efficiency in dungeons.

Please upboat my post :^)

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Posted by: Bread.7516

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DO NOT LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE ABOVE.

You need full PVT gear, Runes of the Soldier and a Shout Heal build with Mace/Shield with rifle for maximum efficiency in dungeons.

Please upboat my post :^)

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Posted by: zerotwo.4731

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Dont just jump into full zerker build. You may have experience running with zergs in WvW but the dungeon mechanics will still be new to you. I would suggest a version of zerk before full zerker build. I use PVT gear with Scholar runes and zerker everything else. With food I still crit every time.

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Posted by: Nosoyelarty.7268

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Honestly you are pretty tanky on warrior even running full offensive gear and build, if you notice that you are going down too much and mobs and bosses are not dying is not your fault, it’s because your healers and tanks are not doing their job.

So yeah, just go 30/25/0/0/15 with berserkers and scholar runes or ruby orbs if you are poor and enjoy those hundred blades.

P.S. Lifesteal food (dragon rolls wathever) will help you to survive a bit more if your healers are noobs.

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Posted by: The Clague.4765

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Are there any good dungeon warrior builds without GS – I dont know why but I hate playing with it.

Skill 3 is unpredictable (maybe it is me)
Burst skill is poor (IMO)
Seems like spamming until 100 blades is ready again

I really like dual wielding and love axes. Anyone know any alternatives or videos where GS is played well.

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Posted by: mahariel.4981

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The point of greatsword is to use the 2/3/5 burst and then swap back axe mainhand to keep up steady DPS, don’t just camp greatsword.

Dual-wielding axes is fine when soloing easy champions because it allows you to stack fury, but for harder ones you want off-hand sword, and for group content you want the vuln stacking on off-hand mace.

Axe/mace + axe/warhorn or axe/mace + axe/sword might be a good choice for you, just roll the 30/25/0/10/5 build, swap out slashing power for axe mastery and forceful greatsword for deep strikes. Take empowered in tactics for X%+ damage boost.

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Posted by: The Clague.4765

The Clague.4765

The point of greatsword is to use the 2/3/5 burst and then swap back axe mainhand to keep up steady DPS, don’t just camp greatsword.

Dual-wielding axes is fine when soloing easy champions because it allows you to stack fury, but for harder ones you want off-hand sword, and for group content you want the vuln stacking on off-hand mace.

Axe/mace + axe/warhorn or axe/mace + axe/sword might be a good choice for you, just roll the 30/25/0/10/5 build, swap out slashing power for axe mastery and forceful greatsword for deep strikes. Take empowered in tactics for X%+ damage boost.

Thanks for that, I might try both ways and see how I get on. I haven’t been using GS like that so maybe I will have a play around with that first and see if I can get into it.

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Posted by: spoj.9672

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Dont use the burst skill on gs though. If you arent near a wall gs 4 is worth casting aswell.

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Posted by: Ok I Did It.2854

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Your probably going to want to hold off on getting full zerker gear esp as Anet have said pretty much there is an incoming zerker nerf coming, which means it will be destroyed beyond use, remember play the game how you want to play……

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/PvE-Zerkers/page/2

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Posted by: laharl.8435

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The point of greatsword is to use the 2/3/5 burst and then swap back axe mainhand to keep up steady DPS, don’t just camp greatsword.

Dual-wielding axes is fine when soloing easy champions because it allows you to stack fury, but for harder ones you want off-hand sword, and for group content you want the vuln stacking on off-hand mace.

Axe/mace + axe/warhorn or axe/mace + axe/sword might be a good choice for you, just roll the 30/25/0/10/5 build, swap out slashing power for axe mastery and forceful greatsword for deep strikes. Take empowered in tactics for X%+ damage boost.

Thanks for that, I might try both ways and see how I get on. I haven’t been using GS like that so maybe I will have a play around with that first and see if I can get into it.

I used to run the pure axe build (axe/mace + axe/warhorn~sword). While it has great dps, utility and a blast finisher, that extra dodge on gs can be a lifesaver in some situations. Plus the gs + axe rotation is just so great. The gs is great for trash running in dungeons like arah too, plus you can always swap in warhorn with your axe for the extra help.

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Posted by: TheMaskedParadigm.3629

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Offhand Axe is bad because skill 5 does very little damage and skill 4 is worthless considering you already have permanent Fury from Signet of Rage and For Great Justice. If you don’t want to use Greatsword, use Axe / Mace and Axe / Sword / Warhorn. Warhorn is better suited for trash mobs because you can apply Weakness, and you still have the knockdown from Mace. Sword is better suited for boss fights. You also keep 5% damage with Sword offhand.

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Posted by: mahariel.4981

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Axe 4 is much more spammable than FGJ if you want fury, and it opens up a slot for banner of discipline for soloing bosses so you can go 4sig + disc.

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Posted by: Iris Ng.9845

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Honestly you are pretty tanky on warrior even running full offensive gear and build, if you notice that you are going down too much and mobs and bosses are not dying is not your fault, it’s because your healers and tanks are not doing their job.

So yeah, just go 30/25/0/0/15 with berserkers and scholar runes or ruby orbs if you are poor and enjoy those hundred blades.

P.S. Lifesteal food (dragon rolls wathever) will help you to survive a bit more if your healers are noobs.

Uuuuuuggggghhhh….. whaaaaaatttt ????!!!!!

To OP, the first time I tried zerkerway on my ele, I just got the glassiest build possible, went to Orr or AC and practiced my rotations. Faceplanted a bit more often than not but I learn faster that way.

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