Guild Wars 2

I want to build a new character that is strictly for grinding dungeons and fractals. From the research I’ve done, it looks like Warriors are the best at running dungeons but Guardians are the best at running fractals. Which one should I go with if I want to do both?

Thanks!

Engineer!

Oh wait…not a choice. Still though, engineer

Both are useful, so just pick whatever you find more fun.

Fermi.2409:

Both are useful, so just pick whatever you find more fun.

Agreed. You seriously can’t go wrong with Warrior/Guard…especially in pug teams.

both also good. guardian if the dungeon require a lot of reflect. otherwise just bring warrior.

Just make sure you never try ele, because once you do and see the huge difference in efficiency, you might never want to touch your warrior or guardian again.

It’s all a matter of preference really. I use both a warrior and guardian in dungeons and fractals. My warrior is a zerker build so I use him when I want to deal max damage. My guardian is a tanky build meant to take damage and remove conditions. I mainly use my guardian because I love the group support and heals that it has. But it is truly all about preference of play style.

That being said, I have to agree with Dub. Playing an ele in dungeons can be a lot of fun. But again, it’s a matter of preference.

Just experiment with different classes and different builds!

Dub.1273:

Just make sure you never try ele, because once you do and see the huge difference in efficiency, you might never want to touch your warrior or guardian again.

Warrior is still very effective with their unique support from banners.

Guard is great for carrying a bad team, you can do a lot to ease the difficulty, so a solid option for PUGs. Warrior you’re just more meatier and contribute offensively instead of defensivly. It’ll be easier on you but with lower level players if you end up having to carry them through it’ll be by soloing the end of the boss rather than helping your team survive.

In agreeance with Dub though, an Ele is possibly the best dungeon profession if you can manage it, the additional damage lets you fly through things even in PUGs and you do have a lot of utility options to fill in gaps in any kind of active defense (sandstorm/swirling mainly).

xDudisx.5914:

Dub.1273:

Just make sure you never try ele, because once you do and see the huge difference in efficiency, you might never want to touch your warrior or guardian again.

Warrior is still very effective with their unique support from banners.

One warrior makes sense, after that they become wasted party slots. Same for guardian.

Dub.1273:

xDudisx.5914:

Dub.1273:

Just make sure you never try ele, because once you do and see the huge difference in efficiency, you might never want to touch your warrior or guardian again.

Warrior is still very effective with their unique support from banners.

One warrior makes sense, after that they become wasted party slots. Same for guardian.

Considering there are 8 classes and only 5 slots in a group I think be one of those 5 is good.

Dub.1273:

Just make sure you never try ele, because once you do and see the huge difference in efficiency, you might never want to touch your warrior or guardian again.

Depends on how lazy you are. No matter how much more efficient it is Ele is wayyyyyyyy too much effort for people like me.

Warriors are good in pugs for Phalanx Strength builds, which pretty much makes everybody have 25 stacks of might, and also banners of discipline and strength. Battle standard elite is useful in high level fractals for reving team mates quickly.
Guardians offer very good support with multiple ways to get vulnerability on enemies, blinds, aegis, and reflects.
Both classes have high DPS, but I believe Guardian is higher.
I would also recommend looking into elementalist, it is by far the most useful class in dungeons because of the versatility of the class. It has the highest damage of all the classes, can bring both lightning hammer(highest dps autoattack chain, with blast finisher as well) and frostbow(extremely powerful aoe, and stun). Elementalists can also block projectiles, produce 40s of swiftness with staff, and provide high might stacks as well as fury. There is probably a lot more that I am missing here as well.
Overall though, there will always be pugs with each class so just choose which one is more fun to play! Keep in mind that Elementalist and guardian share the lowest health pools in the game, with Elementalists in light armor and guardians and warriors in heavy armor. Warriors also have the highest health pool in the game.(With practice, its not that hard surviving with ele because of the versatility of the class)

Dub.1273:

One warrior makes sense, after that they become wasted party slots. Same for guardian.

Same with everysingle profession except 2. Elementalist because more is good and necro because none is better

Theugotzd.9843:

Both classes have high DPS, but I believe Guardian is higher.

They both have average DPS (5th-6th) and Warrior is higher.

Thaddeus.4891:

They both have average DPS (5th-6th) and Warrior is higher.

Do you have a source/proof for this?
To my knowledge the dps rankings were:
1. Ele 2. Guardian 3. Thief 4 or 5: Ranger and Warrior 6: Engi 7. Necro 8. Mesmer

Theugotzd.9843:

Thaddeus.4891:

They both have average DPS (5th-6th) and Warrior is higher.

Do you have a source/proof for this?
To my knowledge the dps rankings were:
1. Ele 2. Guardian 3. Thief 4 or 5: Ranger and Warrior 6: Engi 7. Necro 8. Mesmer

there are alot of variables. and i do mean alot.

last understanding:

assuming max buffs. ( 25 might, 25 vuln, fury, banners etc. )

Thief and Ele are top dogs. depending on positioning and target hitbox. size.
Engie is third.
everyone else is hovers within about 8 to 11k

(( I stand to be corrected, these are just what i am aware of currently ))

Theugotzd.9843:

Thaddeus.4891:

They both have average DPS (5th-6th) and Warrior is higher.

Do you have a source/proof for this?
To my knowledge the dps rankings were:
1. Ele 2. Guardian 3. Thief 4 or 5: Ranger and Warrior 6: Engi 7. Necro 8. Mesmer

As I understand it a perfect Engi rotation has the capability to easily come in at a solid 3, though I doubt anyone can reliably run that rotation. They should be able to easily come in around number 3 though. Guardian would have to trait full DPS sacrificing most of their team support to come in very high and then will still be well behind Ele/Thief. I’m quite sure Ranger has overtaken Warrior with ranger buffs a while ago and the constant warrior GS nerfs. Also, Mesmer has the potential to do quite well, it’s only that the practicality of pulling it off isn’t there that they usually score so low.

As for the viability of double professions. I sure love my 2 engi casual fractal runs. Not saying it’s optimal in any sense, just that it’s a nice combo because of the way Engi’s are built. We can do a lot but it’s typically not able to do the job fully, as a team you can cover it easily. Vuln being the main exception to that though being able to drop precise sights and pick up some alternatives can be nice. Basically you just don’t see as much overlap with 2 engis as you see with other professions, again, not optimal, but at least you’re both contributing a lot if you work cohesively as a team instead of being blocked by the other because they’ve already taken care of it.

Theugotzd.9843:

Thaddeus.4891:

They both have average DPS (5th-6th) and Warrior is higher.

Do you have a source/proof for this?
To my knowledge the dps rankings were:
1. Ele 2. Guardian 3. Thief 4 or 5: Ranger and Warrior 6: Engi 7. Necro 8. Mesmer

The best at publishing these kind of numbers are DNT, but unfortunately, they don’t do the math and make them public at each patch. (comprehensively).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bAcpwAdwB24CxK_Ziy8ygISUHCkQepLfRMh2_PtP52o/edit#gid=1883199869

That’s back in June 2014. The ranking was : Thief, Ele, Engineer, Warrior, Guardian, Mesmer, Necro, Ranger. (Mesmer can be on top of Guardian, but its unreliable because he need to keep 3 phantasm up all the time for that).

Since, then Ranger got buff to number 4, while Warrior dropped to number 5. These numbers are single target and don’t use frostbow. So Thief is only on top for single target, Ele will be on TOP for quick Frostbow burst. Guardian can now be on top of the warrior, but it need a high uptime of UC for that and it doesn’t happen often in dungeon.

I didn’t put my numbers, because I’m sure you wouldn’t view me as a ’’source’’.

If you had a car that could theoretically drive 300mph with jet turbines which is limited to 100mph under normal circumstances and one that could theoretically drive 250mph which reliably gets up to 175mph, which would you use for a race?

Dub.1273:

If you had a car that could theoretically drive 300mph with jet turbines which is limited to 100mph under normal circumstances and one that could theoretically drive 250mph which reliably gets up to 175mph, which would you use for a race?

Both will kill you very fast.

Dub.1273:

xDudisx.5914:

Dub.1273:

Just make sure you never try ele, because once you do and see the huge difference in efficiency, you might never want to touch your warrior or guardian again.

Warrior is still very effective with their unique support from banners.

One warrior makes sense, after that they become wasted party slots. Same for guardian.

Yeah well, welcome to any other class.

At least people still stack guardians and warriors in some instances.

When in hell has a necromancer or mesmer or ranger been stacked; hell, who wants necromancers and rangers to begin with. At least your warrior functions with better versions of spirits that can’t be destroyed by casual pve aoe and can be moved around without needing 6 points of trait investment to be useful. Your greatsword and axe traits are not buried on the toughness and vitality lines, and you’re not flooded with a bunch of worthless minor traits. Your shouts don’t suck for a change (lolranger shouts), and you actually bring boons to the group (lol mesmer/necro).

Have a tissue when complaining about ele’s as a warrior lol. Warriors, thieves, and guardians get no pity from me they’re pretty much the mainstay of any team on all game formats.

*cry but i only play warrior why no love us

Dub.1273:

If you had a car that could theoretically drive 300mph with jet turbines which is limited to 100mph under normal circumstances and one that could theoretically drive 250mph which reliably gets up to 175mph, which would you use for a race?

The first one!

Now tell me the answer already

1st one.

2nd one is “up to”

Zenith.7301:

Dub.1273:

xDudisx.5914:

Dub.1273:

Just make sure you never try ele, because once you do and see the huge difference in efficiency, you might never want to touch your warrior or guardian again.

Warrior is still very effective with their unique support from banners.

One warrior makes sense, after that they become wasted party slots. Same for guardian.

Yeah well, welcome to any other class.

At least people still stack guardians and warriors in some instances.

When in hell has a necromancer or mesmer or ranger been stacked; hell, who wants necromancers and rangers to begin with. At least your warrior functions with better versions of spirits that can’t be destroyed by casual pve aoe and can be moved around without needing 6 points of trait investment to be useful. Your greatsword and axe traits are not buried on the toughness and vitality lines, and you’re not flooded with a bunch of worthless minor traits. Your shouts don’t suck for a change (lolranger shouts), and you actually bring boons to the group (lol mesmer/necro).

Have a tissue when complaining about ele’s as a warrior lol. Warriors, thieves, and guardians get no pity from me they’re pretty much the mainstay of any team on all game formats.

Stacking rangers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHew4nFs8SM) and mesmers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC-WLNIxXGY) isn’t unheard of. Necromancers unfortunately…. yeah.

Zenith.7301:

(lolranger shouts)

Rangers have shouts?

And does everyone ever take pets into account, I wonder. Whatever, I don’t care. Still playin’ and rockin’ it.