What is the point of raids, currently?
Well the time vs reward ratio is highly dependant on your team. In speed run, some team can complete a wing in about 30min, but a normal good team can complete it in between 60 and 90min. Just take a look at the magnetite shards. If you can complete a wing in 1 hour, it mean you can get 100 shards in 2 hours, so you will need 20 hours to get 1000 shards that you can use to buy and sell a Ghostly Infusion for about 400 gold of profit. Meaning that just with shards, you get a reward of 20 gold per hours with a good team. Which is more than most content and it doesn’t even count the reward gold reward or the loots. You probably can reach about 30 gold per hours. The problem is that you don’t get much reward each time you play it. Most reward are either RNG (loots) or after a lot of kills (buying with shards). So raid can feel not really rewarding.
Also, it can become really unrewarding when you start to pug or have a bad team. Not uncommon to have a team spending 3 hours and only killing 2 of the 3 bosses, which can make drastic cut into your time vs reward ratio.
That said, there isn’t much change to the reward since launch of raids. They added the possibility to sell back double of reward like Minis for shards and the first wing give less reward in gold and xp now, but they announced that before raid were even introduced so it’s not news.
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The point is to have fun.
The point is to have fun.
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I don’t like most open world big group events because they don’t really require teamwork. Raids do, and for me, that’s fun.
If you’re only into raiding for the reward vs. time I suggest going to Silverwaste instead.
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Be careful of what you wish for guys. Silverwastes was a very successful map because it had good rewards compared to time invested and was accessible to a large number of players. We ended up with an expansion where 90% of the content was modeled after Silverwastes.
If raids end up having poor reward vs time and this drives players away resulting in the content becoming less popular, how long before raids are no longer worth developer time? How long before those six devs working on raids are better invested working on another zerg meta event?
The point is to have fun.
^ This.
Still the most challenging content in the game and joining up with a group of 10 friends is really enjoyable. It’s a great chance to really get to know the people in your guild as well.
The loot is also pretty good, especially since you can trade in minis for extra currency.
Why is everyone forgetting that we are getting legendary armor? Anet said soon™…
Be careful of what you wish for guys. Silverwastes was a very successful map because it had good rewards compared to time invested and was accessible to a large number of players. We ended up with an expansion where 90% of the content was modeled after Silverwastes.
On the contrary, 90% seems to have been modeled after Dry Top (which was much less popular ultimately): set schedule, constant effort to obtain partial reward (never mind top tier), and then constant effort to collect that reward (especially DS).
In answer to the OP, if raids were too easy for you before and the rewards were subpar, you won’t see anything new to make you want to return.
Generally, if you have to ask “is there anything worth it in the new patch,” there probably won’t be. In my opinion, the more useful question is, “what’s your favorite thing about the patch? I got burnt out before and I’m looking for a reason to return.”
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I dont raid with an elite static group. On a given week my little group can raid with 5 pugs. But, we have been able to do full 2 wing clears on monday nights in 2.5-3 hours. Thats 100 shards (+ more if you get a mini you have, I got 2 this week), 6 exotics , 2 gold per boss (doubled if its the new wing) plus sometimes a gold in an event bouncy chest.
Because raids are difficult, the time vs reward ratio is very dependent on proficiency and if you put the investment in to be proficient, its well worth the time. Besides the fact that its fun content.
The point is to have fun.
^ This. And don’t believe for a second those who would try to tell you that raids would not be worth doing if you could get the rewards elsewhere or if there were an easier, less fun version available.
It’s about the fun.
“If you spent as much time working on [some task] as
you spend complaining about it on the forums, you’d be
done by now.”
you spend complaining about it on the forums, you’d be
done by now.”
The point is to have fun.
This. I find it a lot of fun
PS – I’m seeing people starting to sell the Eternal title – does this mean that raids have become more farm material in recent times?
From what I have read, Raids are all about Bragging Rights.
There are two kinds of gamers, salty, and extra salty
Raids are about having fun, but i guess some people can’t accept it and want to remove it…
Lots of reasons for me. Enjoyment for challenging and engaging content, bragging rights to some extent, the guild I raid with is incredibly nice/fun group and rewards (got lucky with 2 ghostly infusions).