Guild Wars 2

Everyone I meet in AC are very bad at this game. It’s not like this game is hard too. I see players that are not even dodging. They’re just standing still auto attacking. Is there anyone out there that is any good still playing?

Calae.1738:

Everyone I meet in AC are very bad at this game. It’s not like this game is hard too. I see players that are not even dodging. They’re just standing still auto attacking. Is there anyone out there that is any good still playing?

They’re usually not in AC. They’re either in Arah / fractals or got bored.

Since the new patch on AC, I assume all the players moved onto different dungeons or are now using gw2lfg.com to find a PUG. I personally find that the quality of PUG’s through gw2lfg.com are more reliable and experienced.

If you ever want to do some AC runs send me a whisper in-game.

They either stopped pugging or left the game

Calae.1738:

Everyone I meet in AC are very bad at this game. It’s not like this game is hard too. I see players that are not even dodging. They’re just standing still auto attacking. Is there anyone out there that is any good still playing?

I know how you feel.

I did an Arah p4 run a few nights ago and had a lot of fun. Then I got to AC with the new changes in place and get people in my group doing the dumbest things.

Most of them probably found other good players or guilds and don’t pug anymore.

They went to WvW, the true GW2 endgame.

WvW needs progression, which hopefully March brings, besides that it just gets boring and pointless and culling sucks.

I know you are a great player Strifey, but 100 of me on top of you, you’re dead. Guaranteed 1000%. That’s what WvW is all about.

Ed to Ioflux: Of course he knows. It’s not about to challenge him as it might come across.The point is whatever server got the massive players wins the game. And there is no way Anet can fix that, even if they are limiting the transfer.

Ioflux.4369:

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“Not what this thread is about”.

Why pick me? There are plenty of other posts in the same thread that you selectively didn’t pick. OK I promise. Last one. You win. Yes, you win.

SkyChef.5432:

Ioflux.4369:

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“Not what this thread is about”.

Why pick me? There are plenty of other posts in the same thread that you selectively didn’t pick. OK I promise. Last one. You win.

Cause its funny that you needed to tell strife that 100 of you can beat 1 of him 1000% of the time for no apparent reason or relevance to the actual topic. It’s not about winning, it’s about passing time at work.

Ioflux.4369:

SkyChef.5432:

Ioflux.4369:

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“Not what this thread is about”.

Why pick me? There are plenty of other posts in the same thread that you selectively didn’t pick. OK I promise. Last one. You win.

Cause its funny that you needed to tell strife that 100 of you can beat 1 of him 1000% of the time for no apparent reason or relevance to the actual topic. It’s not about winning, it’s about passing time at work.

Even after I made it clear than it’s the state of WvW (a 100 dumb players like me can beat the best like Strifey) to response to Strife that WvW will hopefully become better? Strifey’s post -the one that I responded to- (sorry to bring you in this mess) is also irrelevant to the thread but you conveniently ignore it. Admit it big boy. You play favorite.

Yes, same here. Waiting to go home after a boring day at work.

The good ones are still about but because people no longer learn dungeons but rather rush through them nobody learns the actual tactics of each individual mob and just run past everything which causes people to be absolutely atrocious in general compared to if more veteran players would take the time to teach people how to do fights properly and how to counter them all properly in stead of kicking people who don’t meet their imaginary requirement list of ‘lvl 80 full exotic/ascended berserker speed runner warrior/mesmer only’ elitism stuff.

All the good players either:

A. Are bad because they never learned to actually fight everything properly and so you wouldn’t know they were good because they constantly die not knowing how to actually beat an encounter or utilize their profession to the fullest.
B. People who learned all the tactics for themselves in a dungeon group with people who learned them together whom are few and far between
C. Doing other things in game, Stick to doing dungeons with the same people or have left

Of course there are exceptions but I generally find that a lot of potentially good players are bad only because all they know is speedruns and are taught by elitist that you must be lvl 80 full zerker ascended warrior to be a skilled player which is laughably ignorant to say the least and incredibly damaging to the community.

Rest assured though there’s plenty of still good players out there in all parts of the game. Even some speedrunners are good. I personally stay clear of any speedruns and exploits and if I do pug I take newcomers and lower levels with me who are up for actually enjoying the content and learning who then become better players because they aren’t mindless rush zombies.

Jeez, his post is not that hard to understand. Strife mentioned the needed progression for WvW and SkyChef replied that no matter what you do or add, it remains dumb because the zerg wins.

I.E: even if they add progression, it won’t be interesting for a “good” player because his individual awareness of his class/surroundings won’t make much difference.

I didn’t mean to spur the discussion in the direction of WvW. Please remember that this is a dungeons thread!

SkyChef.5432:

Ioflux.4369:

SkyChef.5432:

Ioflux.4369:

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“Not what this thread is about”.

Why pick me? There are plenty of other posts in the same thread that you selectively didn’t pick. OK I promise. Last one. You win.

Cause its funny that you needed to tell strife that 100 of you can beat 1 of him 1000% of the time for no apparent reason or relevance to the actual topic. It’s not about winning, it’s about passing time at work.

Even after I made it clear than it’s the state of WvW (a 100 dumb players like me can beat the best like Strifey) to response to Strife that WvW will hopefully become better? Strifey’s post -the one that I responded to- (sorry to bring you in this mess) is also irrelevant to the thread but you conveniently ignore it. Admit it big boy. You play favorite.

Yes, same here. Waiting to go home after a boring day at work.

I dont play favorite, I make fun of him on a day to day basis on voice chat more than what goes on in the forums. I’m well aware of where the posts came from, I just wanted to hear the ramblings of why someone would want to flex their ______ at strife lol.

Ioflux.4369:

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I dont play favorite, I make fun of him on a day to day basis on voice chat more than what goes on in the forums. I’m well aware of where the posts came from, I just wanted to hear the ramblings of why someone would want to flex their ______ at strife lol.

I know you’re proud of him & proud to associate with him. A lot of people playing GW2 know him & his works.

SkyChef.5432:

Ioflux.4369:

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I dont play favorite, I make fun of him on a day to day basis on voice chat more than what goes on in the forums. I’m well aware of where the posts came from, I just wanted to hear the ramblings of why someone would want to flex their ______ at strife lol.

I know you’re proud of him & proud to associate with him. A lot of people playing GW2 know him & his works.

I cringed runnin fractals with his guardian when I first met him, the guy didnt want to use wall of reflect or shield of avenger cause he was running his shout soldier build.

Calae.1738:

Everyone I meet in AC are very bad at this game. It’s not like this game is hard too. I see players that are not even dodging. They’re just standing still auto attacking. Is there anyone out there that is any good still playing?

Off playing a different game, one that doesn’t get a new nerf every month.

There’s a reason Anet’s nickname in GW1 was Nerfnet.

JungleNin.8379:

Calae.1738:

Everyone I meet in AC are very bad at this game. It’s not like this game is hard too. I see players that are not even dodging. They’re just standing still auto attacking. Is there anyone out there that is any good still playing?

Off playing a different game, one that doesn’t get a new nerf every month.

There’s a reason Anet’s nickname in GW1 was Nerfnet.

It’s easier to nerf/completely remove something than it is to balance it.

did a lot of ac runs before the patch. often got quite decent players in pugs which, without having to talk much, made perfect runs in path 1/3 burrows (for 3 perfect meaning no breeders out of 4, 8 and 12).
now I’m glad to get a group to get path 1 done with less than 5 wipes during burrows. scepterpieces I usually collect all 5, maybe someone takes the one at the entrance before dieing and crying about knockdowns (you know, where dodgeing and stability works wonders).
path 3 I don’t even attempt anymore (thank you bugged grast).

so yeah, I completely agree, nearly no experienced players are running ac anymore. it’s just not worth it. bad rewards for one of the hardest dungeons. lvl 35 yellows for 30 tears don’t really compare to the lvl 75 yellows from cof.

before the patch, I usually did every path a few times a day for leveling my alts or just goldruns. now AC is dead and I had to move on. cof 1/2, coe 1.
new players will try ac as its the first available dungeon, see the completely borked mechanics and will stop playing dungeons forever.

Oranisagu.3706:

did a lot of ac runs before the patch. often got quite decent players in pugs which, without having to talk much, made perfect runs in path 1/3 burrows (for 3 perfect meaning no breeders out of 4, 8 and 12).
now I’m glad to get a group to get path 1 done with less than 5 wipes during burrows. scepterpieces I usually collect all 5, maybe someone takes the one at the entrance before dieing and crying about knockdowns (you know, where dodgeing and stability works wonders).
path 3 I don’t even attempt anymore (thank you bugged grast).

so yeah, I completely agree, nearly no experienced players are running ac anymore. it’s just not worth it. bad rewards for one of the hardest dungeons. lvl 35 yellows for 30 tears don’t really compare to the lvl 75 yellows from cof.

before the patch, I usually did every path a few times a day for leveling my alts or just goldruns. now AC is dead and I had to move on. cof 1/2, coe 1.
new players will try ac as its the first available dungeon, see the completely borked mechanics and will stop playing dungeons forever.

AC isn’t hard at all it’s just different and requires some actual coordination. the old AC was hard when people first started to do it as well learning the tactics. It only became easy because everyone skipped 99% of it and the rest was brute forced.

I did the old AC with low level group without knowing a thing. It was hard first couple of tries and this one will be as well but not hard because it’s ‘so much harder’ but only because it’s different. I can guarantee you in 2 months time people will have finally learned how to skip half of it or learned how to counter a boss so it will be easy to find people to play with again.

People were shouting the exact same things back around launch. After a couple of wipes from surprise tactics we got them down pretty fast so if people are struggling so much it says something about how little they actually understand the game (thanks to speedruns).

Fay.2735:

AC isn’t hard at all it’s just different and requires some actual coordination. the old AC was hard when people first started to do it as well learning the tactics. It only became easy because everyone skipped 99% of it and the rest was brute forced.

I did the old AC with low level group without knowing a thing. It was hard first couple of tries and this one will be as well but not hard because it’s ‘so much harder’ but only because it’s different. I can guarantee you in 2 months time people will have finally learned how to skip half of it or learned how to counter a boss so it will be easy to find people to play with again.

People were shouting the exact same things back around launch. After a couple of wipes from surprise tactics we got them down pretty fast so if people are struggling so much it says something about how little they actually understand the game (thanks to speedruns).

thx for quoting me, but it’s kind of misleading when you quote someone but talk about something completely different.
I’ve mentioned the bugs, mechanics which don’t work and the poor rewards.

only once did I mention the difficulty of the dungeon (on which statement you seem to base your entire response on, ignoring everything I said in context) – saying it’s one of the hardest dungeons currently. it has nothing to do with l2p. you can’t l2p around bugs like non-interruptible rumblus or unmoving ghosteater (yeah, knockbacks sometimes unbug him, not always). also, l2p doesn’t improve the bad rewards. even if you could l2p around those bugs, cof 1/2, coe 1, ta, hotw and se would still be easier – making AC one of the hardest dungeons. the only reason people played AC was because it was easier than every dungeon except CoF and was a good place to level alts or introduce guildies to a dungeon. the rewards were less useful than other dungeons but rather ok for the difficulty.

of course the first few times after a change are gonna be harder, thank you for insulting my intelligence by thinking I couldn’t take that factor into consideration. I did compare my first few new-ac runs (a dungeon where I still know all the other core-mechanics like burrow spawnpoints, scepter piece locations etc, only the encounters changed) to other dungeons. i.e. SE path 1, even doing it the very first time it was way easier than current ac. CoE 1 is a lot easier, 2/3 just require you to learn when to dodge. but you can learn, then it gets easier.
in AC, the bugs will get you nearly every time. skill is not involved at all. no amount of skill can save you from rumblus if he decides he doesn’t like interrupts.

wait….are you saying that you meet unexperienced players in that wich is supposed to be the easiest dungeon in the game according to level? ._.

How untolerable……

Lvl 35 dungeons should be just for experienced players u.u in full exotic/ascended gear….

LordByron.8369:

wait….are you saying that you meet unexperienced players in that wich is supposed to be the easiest dungeon in the game according to level? ._.

How untolerable……

Lvl 35 dungeons should be just for experienced players u.u in full exotic/ascended gear….

The experienced uber players are busy trolling the forums.

Oranisagu.3706:

you can’t l2p around bugs like non-interruptible rumblus or unmoving ghosteater (yeah, knockbacks sometimes unbug him, not always).

I thought they fixed this?

Quote:

Colossus Rumblus’s Cave In Shout can now be interrupted.
Detha’s Path: Fixed an issue with the Ghost Eater encounter where the Ghost Eater would sometimes get stuck in the trap. We also fixed an issue causing the traps to sometimes not fire and break, blocking the fight.

I haven’t done it since the patch though

Calae.1738:

Everyone I meet in AC are very bad at this game. It’s not like this game is hard too. I see players that are not even dodging. They’re just standing still auto attacking. Is there anyone out there that is any good still playing?

99% of the time I use gw2lfg. I dunno if you’ve just had groups in your home world or if you have use gw2lfg, but sometimes your experiences will be limited if you’re always running with people in your homeworld.

Remember, there THOUSANDS maybe even tens or possibly hundreds of thousands of players playing at any given time, so take that into consideration. You’re bound to get groups that are extremely experienced, not so experienced, and players in between.

What you can do, however, is try to ask if your group has done AC pre/post patch ever and give them tips and hints on what to expect. You might sound bossy, but it’s better to sound bossy than to have your party wipe numerous times.

Like Fay said, AC just requires communication. Communicate and you’ll come out on top most of the time.

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To the OP: Also, remember that everyone has a different view on how “hard” the game is. “Hard” is a relative term, and the very first accessible dungeon is bound to have players who have never run a dungeon before.

I had to ragequit for the first time in my life in AC story the other day.

It was amazing:

• They were deaf-mutes the whole time. They completely ignored the chat, never writing or reading anything, and just ran around following whoever was farther. And I know all of them were from my world, so they had to understand me, because Baruch is the Spanish world. No one goes there unless they actually speak Spanish.
• They Kilroed every single battle. I tried to explain the tactics for each boss to them, but instead, they ran straight to the bosses. I tried to explain the tactics during the fights, but they still ignored me.
• They didn’t move at all. I kept writing “MOVE!” “DODGE!”, and they just stood still, letting anything hit them, like Vassar’s chaos storms or Kasha’s wells.
• They didn’t revive anyone. Not even once. They had people downed right next to them, and no enemy was focused on them, yet they just let others get defeated.

After the 4th time they all got defeated and left me alone with Ralena and Vassar, I could not take it anymore, so I excused myself out.

I hope this is just an exception, not the norm.

I used to run AC for money and loot until the last patch..

Now im just devoting my dungeon time to COF path 1 and farm it as much as possible before it gets nerfed. I’m sure that other people are doing this too. Also, due to the boss chest buff a lot of people are just camping dragons and other world bosses (a lot easier than figuring out and wiping on a new dungeon mechanic). I mean dayum all the open world maps were practically empty before the last patch and now we’re talking about overflows!! all those ppl gotta come from somewhere

MithranArkanere.8957:

I had to ragequit for the first time in my life in AC story the other day.

It was amazing:

• They were deaf-mutes the whole time. They completely ignored the chat, never writing or reading anything, and just ran around following whoever was farther. And I know all of them were from my world, so they had to understand me, because Baruch is the Spanish world. No one goes there unless they actually speak Spanish.
• They Kilroed every single battle. I tried to explain the tactics for each boss to them, but instead, they ran straight to the bosses. I tried to explain the tactics during the fights, but they still ignored me.
• They didn’t move at all. I kept writing “MOVE!” “DODGE!”, and they just stood still, letting anything hit them, like Vassar’s chaos storms or Kasha’s wells.
• They didn’t revive anyone. Not even once. They had people downed right next to them, and no enemy was focused on them, yet they just let others get defeated.

After the 4th time they all got defeated and left me alone with Ralena and Vassar, I could not take it anymore, so I excused myself out.

I hope this is just an exception, not the norm.

Shouting at a pug team with all caps just pisses them off and cause them to not want to listen. (Especially useless things like “DODGE! MOVE!” Since you are just shouting without any context as to when they should do it.)

Even if they were all trash players it would be better to simply realize this in the very beginning and excuse yourself rather than wasting all your time being frustrated.

You can in general tell if a team is going to not be able to handle it in the very beginning by simply looking at their level, gear, achievement points.

Obviously a low lvl dungeon is going to have a low threshold but if you are in a team of all players 30-60 with less than 400 points in achievements then your chances are going to be near nil.

The experienced players are still around. The older this game gets the more the experienced people will find each other and group up.
When you finally get a group of people together that know what they are doing… so much better. Throw in TS or whatever kind of voice chat and it is possible to beat all the ‘impossible’ paths without too many problems.
If you are having problems finding anybody experienced – join a guild (a big guild). I was resistant to that at first but once you do it will pay off once you find some other good players.

I use a PUG sometimes but rarely now. I jumped in a PUG that I found on lfg because I wanted to try the new AC routes and no one really wanted to do it at that time in my guild. I felt like I was carrying them a bit in spots but we got it done. Overall experience with the group was OK but tedious. Worth getting in the PUG to finish something I wanted but wouldn’t really do it again just for fun. I’ll go back to running with the other experienced players.

Seems many of the inexperienced players are younger. They can get really offended if you are too direct with them. If you say “Do you know what you are doing?” to them many of them will shut down and probably not listen to anything you say from that point on. If you let them die once first and then tell them “Dodge when he starts to…” then they will generally listen and even ask questions to get better sometimes. The way you act towards them will determine how much you can get them to do.
Doesn’t matter if they ‘should’ be like that or not. It only matters that you realize this if you want to have success in dealing with them.

Portal Master.9146:

.. They can get really offended if you are too direct with them. If you say “Do you know what you are doing?” to them many of them will shut down and probably not listen to anything you say from that point on. If you let them die once first and then tell them “Dodge when he starts to…” then they will generally listen and even ask questions to get better sometimes. The way you act towards them will determine how much you can get them to do.
Doesn’t matter if they ‘should’ be like that or not. It only matters that you realize this if you want to have success in dealing with them.

This is the good advice for those wanted to help newbies experienced a difficult environment. I’ve learned this by making the same mistake as telling them what to do b4 having them tasted the bitter fruit first. They normally just ignored everything I’ve said and end up dead. Later, I’ve let them die a few times then start telling them here is how you should do. We killed the spider queen post patched w/ just 3 of us (2 are totally below average players and the other 2 rage quits). We also tried Kholer w/ just the 3 of us but that didn’t work out. I haven’t figure it out what to do w/ the 2 adds spamming on me while Kholer is on my tail.

SkyChef.5432:

Portal Master.9146:

.. They can get really offended if you are too direct with them. If you say “Do you know what you are doing?” to them many of them will shut down and probably not listen to anything you say from that point on. If you let them die once first and then tell them “Dodge when he starts to…” then they will generally listen and even ask questions to get better sometimes. The way you act towards them will determine how much you can get them to do.
Doesn’t matter if they ‘should’ be like that or not. It only matters that you realize this if you want to have success in dealing with them.

This is the good advice for those wanted to help newbies experienced a difficult environment. I’ve learned this by making the same mistake as telling them what to do b4 having them tasted the bitter fruit first. They normally just ignored everything I’ve said and end up dead. Later, I’ve let them die a few times then start telling them here is how you should do. We killed the spider queen post patched w/ just 3 of us (2 are totally below average players and the other 2 rage quits). We also tried Kholer w/ just the 3 of us but that didn’t work out. I haven’t figure it out what to do w/ the 2 adds spamming on me while Kholer is on my tail.

That depends on the player. Before going into a dungeon I’ve asked “Is everybody experienced or does anybody want me to explain any mechanics or how this should go?” the response was “There are no mechanics”. Obviously this is just one example, but this was CoF p1, and we ended up wiping on slave driver, then they all 4 wiped on acolytes on the 2nd group of 4. I finished them off, hid, they all WP, immediately came back and wiped again while I finished off the last 2 lol. We had two mesmers (including myself) and the final boss took a total of 4 time warps to kill because we had people going down and not rallying off crystals.

On the other end I joined an AC group after the patch and we wiped on P1 boss. I said “I don’t know how long you guys have been doing this, but run behind the fire, as it instantly kills the trash” and was responded with “Oh man! Thanks! That’s why we keep wiping, I was attacking them”

So, sometimes you get people who listen, sometimes you don’t

Edit: for clarification, I joined the AC group on the boss, as they had somebody who rage quit.

Fay.2735:

Oranisagu.3706:

you can’t l2p around bugs like non-interruptible rumblus or unmoving ghosteater (yeah, knockbacks sometimes unbug him, not always).

I thought they fixed this?

Quote:

Colossus Rumblus’s Cave In Shout can now be interrupted.
Detha’s Path: Fixed an issue with the Ghost Eater encounter where the Ghost Eater would sometimes get stuck in the trap. We also fixed an issue causing the traps to sometimes not fire and break, blocking the fight.

I haven’t done it since the patch though

yeah I know. I’ve tried it twice after the so called fix. both times our team wiped several (8 and 4) times until the instance owner ragequit or I was left alone because everybody else had had it.
both groups were capable, not perfect but pretty decent (one time 4, the other time 3 were even in voicechat together). we discussed stripping defiant because grast bugged always and in theory it went perfectly. he never had any stacks left when the howl started and I was able to interrupt (guardian gs#5 twice or shield #5 or sanctuary). it even stated ‘Interrupt’ but nothing happened. CR got his defiant stacks up again, rocks started falling, everybody was dead.
I like the idea of the mechanic – relying on grast is slower but easier, but a coordinated team can go for defiant-stripping and be a lot faster. but for that the mechanics have to work reliably. I still don’t get what was so bad about old CR. he forced everyone to be on their toes, move around or use blocks/aegis etc against the rocks. if you got hit near the end of the cycle he’d jump you for an instakill. in fact, I think that was the only boss in old AC that was near perfect before, no change necessary at all (the new howler though is great)

can anybody reliably interrupt CR since the fix? can you post a video? I’d really like to see in which circumstances it works.

I dunno how anyone could really be that bad, especially at AC. I started this game about 3 days ago and cleared AC like an hour ago on my first try with a PUG. Dodging AoE’s=winning?

The experienced players are playing with each other and a large portion of them refuses to teach new people. So you lack a steady stream of new experienced people.
This is a result of the: Experienced only, 80 only, full exotics only, wars and mes groups only. I’d say people reap what they sow.

Dunemachine.9082:

I dunno how anyone could really be that bad, especially at AC. I started this game about 3 days ago and cleared AC like an hour ago on my first try with a PUG. Dodging AoE’s=winning?

yeah, sorry to break your bubble, but nobody was complaining about story mode (which you obviously meant, as you even stated in another thread).

the problem are the explorable paths. and not all of them. 1 is still ok, 2 is buggy but can be done, 3 is buggy and can’t be done without luck.

also, if you find a team of experienced players which carry you.. be happy and thankful they knew what they were doing, so you didn’t have to, but if you start to boast around it looks a bit silly.

try any explorable path without people knowing their way around carrying you and tell us again how you can’t believe anybody can be so bad =)

@Connor: I don’t think warr/mesmer only will happen in AC. guardians are still useful, ele’s are especially useful for paths 1/3.. but yeah, 80 full exo only will happen. if they’d just upped the required level it would be clear, but still claiming it’s a lvl 35 dungeon, even without the bugs, is ridiculous.

getting kicked out of pt at end of dungeon doesn’t really help any player (good or bad), to go pug these days. ill stick to guild groups or friends groups even if it means no dungeon run at all.

DeathPanel.8362:

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Shouting at a pug team with all caps just kitten es them off and cause them to not want to listen. (Especially useless things like “DODGE! MOVE!” Since you are just shouting without any context as to when they should do it.)

Even if they were all trash players it would be better to simply realize this in the very beginning and excuse yourself rather than wasting all your time being frustrated.

You can in general tell if a team is going to not be able to handle it in the very beginning by simply looking at their level, gear, achievement points.

Obviously a low lvl dungeon is going to have a low threshold but if you are in a team of all players 30-60 with less than 400 points in achievements then your chances are going to be near nil.

Well, I started being more specific, like: “Do not stand still all the time” and “Try to move away from AoEs/Red circles”.
But during a fight, you don’t have time to write long lines.

I like to give everyone a chance. As I mentioned before, it’s the first time I had to leave.

I encountered people who started doing those things, but they eventually listened and learned, and we could defeat Vassar and Ralena in the second attempt.
I’ve completed AC story with people at level 30, fine/masterwork gear and way less than 500 achievement points.
Because they listened.
Once you know the tactics, AC story is quite easy. You may not get a perfect run with record time, but you’ll get it done and have fun. You don’t need DPS, gear, level or experience. Just eyes to read, half a brain to think, and time to kill.

Refusing to join people because of their gear or not giving them at least a chance is downright dishonorable. Everyone deserves a chance.