Guild Wars 2

Seriously? Are these people just not able to skip and so they want it removed from the game or why are they so loud about it? If killing the mobs were fun or worthwhile I’d kill them. However, as it stands, I don’t want to spend another 2 hours in arah just clearing all the trash mobs that can almost 1 hit a team and rarely ever drop anything. Or how about try p2 with the inquest that take forever to kill even though they do 0 dmg, they stunlock single targets forever.

If you’re talking about a dungeon like coe, then go ahead and clear. Gl on things like the destroyer crabling though.

Why should I take the time to clear the mobs when I’m running with a team of skilled players who will, 100%, get through the mobs alive. In the time it takes to clear the trash mobs in most dungeons, you can complete a 2nd run in the time it’d take you to just clear the trash mobs.

In the above point, I have indeed tested it. In the time it takes to clear an entire ac1 or 2 run, mobs and all, we would have been able to complete BOTH paths if we skipped the trash (we kill kholer and esp kholer/troll, he/they aren’t trash). Nobody runs CM. We 100% skip in ta, can also run 2 if not all 3 paths in the time it takes to clear 1 with skipping. Nobody does SE… hate dredge. Was going to type more but then I realize I was ranting :P.

Because they are basically troll threads and guaranteed to get lots of attention. I can’t think for the life of me why any rational person would want to fight every single mob in a dungeon given how op most silvers are. People know that skipping is extremely common and they are just looking for attention and putting the cat among the pigeons. It is in essence classic, simple trolling at its worst.

Because people feel entitled to run dungeons exactly how they want to, without giving other players that same privilege.

Believe it or not, some people actually play the game to experience all of it. Not everyone are jaded veterans like you and me who knows that trash mobs are just a waste of time anyway.

People on both sides of the fence seem to communicate their perspectives well enough. If you’ve read a couple and still don’t know why, then, read some more. Eventually somebody’s going to explain it in a way that resonates with you.

It’s not like we’re in a short supply of these threads :p

Oglaf.1074:

Believe it or not, some people actually play the game to experience all of it. Not everyone are jaded veterans like you and me who knows that trash mobs are just a waste of time anyway.

Is a viable reason but after you’ve fought 1 nightmare vine or illusionist or dead-eye or dredge or etc., you’ve literately fought them all. Fighting 2 or 200 more won’t increase your dungeon experience. Or how about zones where the mobs have infinite spawn rates (usually found in fractals), do these people just want to stand in those zones and farm to infinity and beyond or do they realize that they need to skip some things? Also, how about mobs that are invulnerable to all damage? They are literately designed to be used for their purpose, then skipped.

Also rooms like ARAH p2, the golem suit room. That place is DESIGNED TO BE SKIPPED. The game even provides a suit to make skipping easier. Do those players ignore the suit and kill the mobs or do they play the game as intended?

At first, I thought the no-more-skipping threads were troll threads too, then they started getting positive attention from mods. Now I just really hope that the gw2 team doesn’t “fix” the dungeons according to this very loud minority’s wishes.

Putting this into perspective, do these same players also kill EVERY mob in the open world (because that is how the game is supposedly designed to be played), or do they skip past them as they are trying to finish up their 100% world completion? I’m willing to bet 100% of these anti-skipping players skipped a ton of mobs in the open world, and not just the orange tagged ones.

I’m honestly not suprised that people skip so much. Personally I tend to do Kohler as much as I can because he is one fo the few examples where it is actually worthwhile to kill him. I also LOVE the Troll vs Him fight and I don’t see it as an exploit but something that adds some humour and atmosphere to that dungeon. Frankly I wish there were more instances where this kind of thing happened in the dungeons.

But the main reason I don’t mind skipping really doesn’t have much to do with the terrible loot drops but more because things always feel stacked against you. For exampl..mobs can knock you off cliff edges thus wiping you..yet you can’t do the same to them?? Why not? You could in TOR and it added a level of strategy and fun to fights. Scavengers in AC can knock you down and keep hitting u until you are dead and you can’t get up….That is not fun and it’s not fair. Far too many mobs go invulnerable…It totally takes you out of the atmosphere of the fight and you rarely feel like you are playing with a full hand.

Plus some of the boss fights are just the worst bosses I have ever played in my entire gaming career. It’s been noted that so many of them are just enormous HP with little else of interest and more often or not you are punished terribly in ways of one shots or massive aoe damage. IS it really any wonder why people are using the scenary and stuff to try and gain a little advantage? I honestly hope the dungeons are thoroughly revised but given the extremely fluffy and vague details of today, I really don’t hold out much hope.

Vox Hollow.2736:

People on both sides of the fence seem to communicate their perspectives well enough. If you’ve read a couple and still don’t know why, then, read some more. Eventually somebody’s going to explain it in a way that resonates with you.

It’s not like we’re in a short supply of these threads :p

I’ve read many and most of them sound like people who want everything done their way or no way while also sounding like they’re inexperience in those dungeons and not knowing how to get past the mobs alive/not knowing where to go. If the 2nd is true, then that’s 100% fine. On 90% of my first dungeon runs on any dungeon, I cleared the entire thing. Made it easier getting around and allowed me to figure out what to do and how to do it. Now that I’m experienced, I skip all the time and try to teach those who don’t know how/what to skip, how to do it effectively and how to survive.

If it’s not those reasons then almost all the rest just sound like trolls who are clawing for attention.

Mitch.4781:

I’m honestly not suprised that people skip so much. Personally I tend to do Kohler as much as I can because he is one fo the few examples where it is actually worthwhile to kill him. I also LOVE the Troll vs Him fight and I don’t see it as an exploit but something that adds some humour and atmosphere to that dungeon. Frankly I wish there were more instances where this kind of thing happened in the dungeons.

But the main reason I don’t mind skipping really doesn’t have much to do with the terrible loot drops but more because things always feel stacked against you. For exampl..mobs can knock you off cliff edges thus wiping you..yet you can’t do the same to them?? Why not? You could in TOR and it added a level of strategy and fun to fights. Scavengers in AC can knock you down and keep hitting u until you are dead and you can’t get up….That is not fun and it’s not fair. Far too many mobs go invulnerable…It totally takes you out of the atmosphere of the fight and you rarely feel like you are playing with a full hand.

Plus some of the boss fights are just the worst bosses I have ever played in my entire gaming career. It’s been noted that so many of them are just enormous HP with little else of interest and more often or not you are punished terribly in ways of one shots or massive aoe damage. IS it really any wonder why people are using the scenary and stuff to try and gain a little advantage? I honestly hope the dungeons are thoroughly revised but given the extremely fluffy and vague details of today, I really don’t hold out much hope.

+1 on almost everything you said but for the end. Agreed that a lot of the bosses are boring hp pools (HotW dungeon anybody?), but a lot of dungeons can be really fun for the comedy, strategy, and atmosphere in them. AC IS pretty dull but it’s fast money but things like CoF, CoE, and ARAH are pretty darn fun. TA (ignore the afk boss and the wardens and the vines) have some pretty interesting bosses. CoE has a hilarious atmosphere and have you SEEN the undead chicken in ARAH 3? BEST.MINI.EVER. Wish I could afford it.

Same thing with the Kitty fractal. May be long and the birds can be annoying, but it’s still my favorite frak BY FAR. Professor Mew is THE best and the champion bunny is only lacking a holy hand grenade. Also in things like the kitty frak, I LOVE killing the mobs over skipping cause they drop powerful bloods and is hilarious watching them kill themselves on our reflecting fields.

My own personal experience with skipping outside of fractals put me off doing dungeons. It was late at night and not many people where online, I was begged to help in one of the explorer modes (cant remember which dungeon), but anyways I agreed and told the group I had no experience with that dungeon other than story mode.

All was going great until we came to the first mob and someone said “Skip” in group, all of a sudden they all run for it and left me behind. So I gave it a go and got killed, respawned and got killed again.

Then came the moaning, “You’re supposed to run past them”, “haven’t you done this before?” Errrrr no like I said at the start. Then more moaning “this is going to take ages” etc etc, well anyway the party was rude and one left shortly after, and of course I got the blame.

Anyway that was my experience of dungeons, and my reply now is “NO THANKS”

@skippers:
If you have problems fighting monsters you are skipping you seriously can’t consider yourself good. Decent, perhaps.
Stability and CC easily counters Inquest stunners.

But I understand why people do it and I even do it too. All I wish is that people supported each other when skipping instead of leaving people behind (but again I understand why people just care about their own kitten, I have few times helped people only to get in trouble without any support).

I don’t have problems with skipping if given warning before hand, chance to change my skill set around for example. Like I said I had never done that dungeon before and didn’t know what to expect.

A little constructive advice would have been all I needed, but as soon as people start being rude and acting like they have never died there before, I can’t be arsed with dumb people like that!!

I still go back and run low level fractals, and constructively help people new to the fractals, not by being a jerk instead I’m patient and help them understand how to do it the easy way.

Ups, my previous post was bit misleading. It wasn’t aimed at you. Hopefully it’s more clear now.